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Regardless of what Dame and Jaylen "agreed" to, you still have to get Boston to agree, and my guess is that 1) they weren't particularly interested in an Ant+3 packages; and 2) once the Boston supermax was likely on the table, Jaylen's supposed "agreement" with Dame wasn't quite so strong.

There may plenty of reasons to question Cronin, but I'm not sure the "Cronin simply turned down a Jaylen Brown deal" passes the smell test.
 
KingSpeed said:
Someone on x says that Dame talked Jaylen Brown into coming to Portland and Joe said no. That’s damning if true.
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no superteams on Jody's watch
tear it down, scare Dame off, Vulcans are done spending money on the Blazers.
 
KingSpeed said:
Someone on x says that Dame talked Jaylen Brown into coming to Portland and Joe said no. That’s damning if true.
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I heard rumors it was Brown for Ant and #3 and yes this led to the abrupt breakdown in the relationship.

Supposedly Joe said all last season to Dame if you sit and help us tank we'll get a pick and trade it for you to get help.

Totally can understand why Dame would be furious and want out as it would seem he was mislead.

I still fault Dame more in all of this if it's true for his cryptic public comments and 1 team demand though.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I heard rumors it was Brown for Ant and #3 and yes this led to the abrupt breakdown in the relationship.

Supposedly Joe said all last season to Dame if you sit and help us tank we'll get a pick and trade it for you to get help.

Totally can understand why Dame would be furious and want out as it would seem he was mislead.

I still fault Dame more in all of this if it's true for his cryptic public comments and 1 team demand though.
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Something really pissed Dame off enough to want out. It seemed all I heard from Dame and Joe last year were all on the same page.
In my mind Joe failed, in not being able to back up what he said to Dame and fans what he was going to do. He probably tried to pull off something and couldn't make it happen , so it is easier to rebuild and buys Joe some job security.
 
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Hoopguru said:
Something really pissed Dame off enough to want out. It seemed all I heard from Dame on Joe last year were all on the same page.
In my mind Joe failed, in not being able to back up what he said to Dame and fans what he was going to do. He probably tried to pull off something and couldn't make it happen , so it is easier to rebuild and buys Joe some job security.
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and Coach Billups gets job security. Nice little setup, the pressure to win is turned off, while Blazer fans get draft fever.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Actually very sad that it's hard to prove this statement wrong.
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But it totally misses the point. So what if Herro might currently be the best player on a rebuilding Blazers roster? The question is whether he is the right guy to look to be a pillar on the future rebuilt team. I think the answer is no. Herro is pretty much at his ceiling and he plays the same position as Shaedon. Scoot and Sharpe are just beginning to tap their potential. The Blazers need other quality players at positions of need or assets that can bring those players in the future. Tying up money and PT in Herro makes no sense.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Flip Green and Hardaway's destinations, and give us all the picks, and that's not bad. Don't know that Dallas would give Green, Lively and a pick for Nurk and Herro, but if they would, I'd be down.


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I would flip Herro and Nurkic for Lively straight up for what it's worth. That dudes gonna be a stud.
 
e_blazer said:
But it totally misses the point. So what if Herro might currently be the best player on a rebuilding Blazers roster? The question is whether he is the right guy to look to be a pillar on the future rebuilt team. I think the answer is no. Herro is pretty much at his ceiling and he plays the same position as Shaedon. Scoot and Sharpe are just beginning to tap their potential. The Blazers need other quality players at positions of need or assets that can bring those players in the future. Tying up money and PT in Herro makes no sense.
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I don't disagree with your post, agreed it makes no sense to have 4 guards here.

I guess its more just sad that there could be a realistic argument Tyler Herro could be the best player on the Blazers without Dame. You put Herro on any other team in the NBA, even the crappy cellar dwellers and I never would imagine he could be argued as the best player.
 
inconceivable said:
Scoot, Sharpe, Grant are better than Herro. Ant is about the same.

His absence wasn't missed in the playoffs. No one seems to be willing to trade for him.
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Scoot has never played a game, he's not better - yet. Sharpe I'm obviously a huge fan of but he needs to improve a lot as well. I saw him in person for summer league, wasn't that impressive. Grant I guess it depends how you grade his defense/rebounding - that might be the best argument.

I'm not saying whom has more trade value as obviously Scoot and Sharpe are way higher with way higher long term potential. Just sad this could be a realistic discussion of who is better today.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Why?
The western conference is going to be tougher than last season, and the Mavs didn't even make the playoffs last season.
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The Mavs traded DFS and got noticeably worse on defense, to the point they had to tank to draft Lively. Their problem clearly became defense, why are they taking on 3 years of Nurk and 4 years of Herro?

Don’t get me wrong, you ABSOLUTELY have to do the trade if it’s available to us. Lively is going to be a life-changer on defense.
 
BankTeller said:
The Mavs traded DFS and got noticeably worse on defense, to the point they had to tank to draft Lively. Their problem clearly became defense, why are they taking on 3 years of Nurk and 4 years of Herro?

Don’t get me wrong, you ABSOLUTELY have to do the trade if it’s available to us. Lively is going to be a life-changer on defense.
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Anything can happen with the Dallas Mavericks.
 
KingSpeed said:
Someone on x says that Dame talked Jaylen Brown into coming to Portland and Joe said no. That’s damning if true.
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I thought @hoopsjock was reporting that on draft night. Correct me if I'm wrong @BonesJones or hoopsjock. If this is a separate source that would be pretty interesting.

Honestly I think that Joe and Mike's grade on Scoot was just too high for us to reasonably get Dame established help. I don't think Joe is currently trying to engineer a plan to keep Dame and I think Dame will be on another team soon enough. I think it was a very calculated decision from Joe and the only calculation that Cronin didn't account for was the idea that Dame would only put one team on his list and that Goodwin would spread all of that shit about Dame being disgruntled or not reporting anywhere but Miami.
 
blazerkor said:
I thought @hoopsjock was reporting that on draft night. Correct me if I'm wrong @BonesJones or hoopsjock. If this is a separate source that would be pretty interesting.

Honestly I think that Joe and Mike's grade on Scoot was just too high for us to reasonably get Dame established help. I don't think Joe is currently trying to engineer a plan to keep Dame and I think Dame will be on another team soon enough. I think it was a very calculated decision from Joe and the only calculation that Cronin didn't account for was the idea that Dame would only put one team on his list and that Goodwin would spread all of that shit about Dame being disgruntled or not reporting anywhere but Miami.
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there were whispers of Jaylen Brown to Portland floating around, but nobody took it too seriously. The BU podcast added a lot more substance to that rumor just recently. More or less, Lillard and Grant recruited Jaylen Brown, he had his bags packed, and Cronin didn't pick up the phone. Joe had his 3 rookies credit card, and never called nobody.
 
Eric from Blazers Uprise had a nice little chat with Heat podcasters yesterday, who were asking for a complete breakdown why Lillard submitted his trade request.

Brandt brings up there was a real possibility that Jaylen Brown could have been a Blazer at 38:14. While adding some of the "swing for the fences" rumors were totally faked, leaked for Blazers PR purposes.

 
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Whyachi said:
Eric from Blazers Uprise had a nice little chat with Heat podcasters yesterday, who were asking for a complete breakdown why Lillard submitted his trade request.

Brandt brings up there was a real possibility that Jaylen Brown could have been a Blazer at 38:14. While adding some of the "swing for the fences" rumors were totally faked, leaked for Blazers PR purposes.

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And Bones knows this how?
 
Mediocre Man said:
And Bones knows this how?
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That was Hoopsjock not Bones. He's been very on point with his other reporting (broke the Grant trade news months early). I believe he has some real insight; although its more of a one sided story he's getting from Dame's camp.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
That was Hoopsjock not Bones. He's been very on point with his other reporting (broke the Grant trade news months early). I believe he has some real insight; although its more of a one sided story he's getting from Dame's camp.
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Ok. From what I’ve heard from people in the building is that is not the case. Certainly not saying I’m right, but I have had conversations and that is not how the story went
 
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Mediocre Man said:
And Bones knows this how?
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It just feels like a bit of a stretch to believe that for a guy like Brown, who makes 30 million next year and is 26, was going to be traded for just Simons and the 3rd. There's no way that Boston wouldn't have asked for Sharpe too.

I'm not really sure that Brown would've put the Blazers in a better position than they were already. To trade for him, they would've had to trade away a bare min of #3 and Simons (and likely more), and other future assets. All that, PLUS the impending almost 300 million they'd be paying him going forward, in addition to the already 200+ they owe Damian, would be a total clusterfuck to do. That team wouldn't be winning a title, and would be paying Damian, Brown and Grant 103 million (based on what Grant actually got), and would probably have no re-signed Thybulle too.

So that team would be Dame, Brown, unknown, Grant and Nurk (those 4 alone are about 119 million in salaries), with an anemic bench.

That team isn't better than the Suns or the Nuggets. Hell, I'm not sure that team even gets HCA.

On top of that, Brown had almost zero leverage there. How many teams, where his situation would be good (good team etc.) where he'd get the money he got from Boston?

This smells like spin that someone fell for.
 
julius said:
It just feels like a bit of a stretch to believe that for a guy like Brown, who makes 30 million next year and is 26, was going to be traded for just Simons and the 3rd. There's no way that Boston wouldn't have asked for Sharpe too.

I'm not really sure that Brown would've put the Blazers in a better position than they were already. To trade for him, they would've had to trade away a bare min of #3 and Simons (and likely more), and other future assets. All that, PLUS the impending almost 300 million they'd be paying him going forward, in addition to the already 200+ they owe Damian, would be a total clusterfuck to do. That team wouldn't be winning a title, and would be paying Damian, Brown and Grant 103 million (based on what Grant actually got), and would probably have no re-signed Thybulle too.

So that team would be Dame, Brown, unknown, Grant and Nurk (those 4 alone are about 119 million in salaries), with an anemic bench.

That team isn't better than the Suns or the Nuggets. Hell, I'm not sure that team even gets HCA.

On top of that, Brown had almost zero leverage there. How many teams, where his situation would be good (good team etc.) where he'd get the money he got from Boston?

This smells like spin that someone fell for.
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The story I got was that Brown was talked about, but the price was not what the Blazers wanted to spend. Also were not 100% convinced he’d re-sign

Teams knew the Blazers were in a bit of a pickle and were asking a lot for the players the team was targeting

But who knows?
 
Mediocre Man said:
The story I got was that Brown was talked about, but the price was not what the Blazers wanted to spend. Also were not 100% convinced he’d re-sign

Teams knew the Blazers were in a bit of a pickle and were asking a lot for the players the team was targeting

But who knows?
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They probably wanted to pull a Miami Heat and get Brown for table scraps like they want to trade for Dame.
 
Mediocre Man said:
The story I got was that Brown was talked about, but the price was not what the Blazers wanted to spend. Also were not 100% convinced he’d re-sign

Teams knew the Blazers were in a bit of a pickle and were asking a lot for the players the team was targeting

But who knows?
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Yeah, I just don't understand why Boston would be interested unless it was a severe overpay from from the Blazers in which they could immediately reroute the multiple Blazer assets that they would have received. I understand it would have gotten them out of the brown supermax pickle, but it also would have been a major timeline reset right during the middle of their championship window. It just doesn't track.
 
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