Miami Heat Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors

[wizenheimer]

Why are you convinced of this?

because

 

[SharpesTriumph]

It was well before draft night that it was reported, and it was by Eric. The guy on Twitter could be repeating that reporting. As far as Eric, he legitimately heard that. I know people will pretend like they know exactly who Eric does and doesn't talk to, but he vets stuff, Dame and Jerami are close with JB (all three of them played on that Olympic team), Boston might've preferred Scoot+Simons over paying Brown a supermax, and Brown was rumored to be unhappy in Boston and could've leveraged the final year of his contract. I fully believe that was an option that Portland didn't explore because they wanted to go the young (and cheap) route and move on from Dame, and that explains Dame's recent comments about not wanting the same thing.

I think theres a way for nearly all of these things to be true; but it doesn't mean Cronin was a liar or did anything wrong either. Situations can change, and parties can have incorrect assumptions of others, as well as incorrect assumption of informal agreements.

 

[BonesJones]

That was Hoopsjock not Bones. He's been very on point with his other reporting (broke the Grant trade news months early). I believe he has some real insight; although its more of a one sided story he's getting from Dame's camp.

Eric's information is actually tied to the front office. Dame's camp has confirmed a lot of it. That's why I'm confident in the intel.

 

[BonesJones]

I think theres a way for nearly all of these things to be true; but it doesn't mean Cronin was a liar or did anything wrong either. Situations can change, and parties can have incorrect assumptions of others, as well as incorrect assumption of informal agreements.

If he wasn't willing to kick the tires on Jaylen Brown, then all his statements about being willing to be aggressive in building around Dame and being willing to overpay are a lie to me. He made sure to kick the tires on the obviously untouchable Bam Adebayo though.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If he wasn't willing to kick the tires on Jaylen Brown, then all his statements about being willing to be aggressive in building around Dame and being willing to overpay are a lie to me. He made sure to kick the tires on the obviously untouchable Bam Adebayo though.

Scoot, Sharpe, Ant, etc for Brown is a bit more than “kicking tires”

 

[Pinwheel1]

If he wasn't willing to kick the tires on Jaylen Brown, then all his statements about being willing to be aggressive in building around Dame and being willing to overpay are a lie to me. He made sure to kick the tires on the obviously untouchable Bam Adebayo though.

Not sure I believe he never took the call. But I could see why he would be reluctant to trade Ant and Scoot for an upcoming FA.
I thought it was worth the risk for Simons and Miller though.

Edit: what they wanted Sharpe too? No fucking way would I do that

 

[blazerfan11]

Why are you convinced of this?

It makes sense that Riley would hold a few things back and see what happens up until training camp (which I think is October 3rd).
However, once training camp starts and Dame reports to the Trail Blazers, Riley's leverage (if there is any) evaporates.

 

[KingSpeed]

If he wasn't willing to kick the tires on Jaylen Brown, then all his statements about being willing to be aggressive in building around Dame and being willing to overpay are a lie to me. He made sure to kick the tires on the obviously untouchable Bam Adebayo though.

There’s aggressive and then there’s being stupid, Joe wasn’t going to be stupid.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Will Pat Riley shift gears?

 

[KingSpeed]

What if Drexler told us to trade the #2 pick in 1984 draft for Alex English? That’s basically what Dame asked for. You draft Jordan though. Even if he plays your star guy’s position.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Will Pat Riley shift gears?

I wonder how this affects the market for Herro.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Crazy?

 

[BonesJones]

Scoot, Sharpe, Ant, etc for Brown is a bit more than “kicking tires”

Correct.

 

[BonesJones]

There’s aggressive and then there’s being stupid, Joe wasn’t going to be stupid.

Of course he's not going to try and be "stupid", but there's doing your due diligence and I think it's clear that Dame feels like Cronin didn't want to be aggressive.

 

[Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte]

Eric's information is actually tied to the front office. Dame's camp has confirmed a lot of it. That's why I'm confident in the intel.

In the murky corridors of the Portland Trail Blazers' front office, there dwelled a disgruntled executive known as "Frank the Frustrated." Frank had a bone to pick with his boss, Joe Cronin.

Picture this: Joe Cronin, sitting in his dimly lit office, surrounded by mountains of unpaid cable bills. He'd stare at his phone, blissfully ignorant of the calls from NBA legends. Instead, he'd spend three to five hours a day haggling with Comcast's hapless customer service, demanding to know why his cable bill was overcharged while ignoring calls from Pat Riley and Brad Stevens. Meanwhile, Frank the Frustrated, in his quest to preserve the sanctity of the Blazers' management, embarked on a covert mission to provide juicy notes to Eric, the Podcaster Extraordinaire. Under the cloak of night, Frank would creep into the under-construction site of the Bridgeport Village Mall, because, well, that's where all the real cloak-and-dagger stuff happens.

Frank's first hiding spot was in the cab of a crane, where he left a note tucked inside the operator's manual. Next, Frank ventured into the twisted scaffolding, where he taped a note to a metal beam with the words, "Joe's Trade Secrets" in bold letters. Eric would retrieve the notes by dressing in up in a dog disguise and sneaking into the work area, barking and gnawing at chicken bones for dramatic effect.

 

[BonesJones]

Not sure I believe he never took the call. But I could see why he would be reluctant to trade Ant and Scoot for an upcoming FA.
I thought it was worth the risk for Simons and Miller though.

Edit: what they wanted Sharpe too? No fucking way would I do that

I wouldn't do Sharpe too. As far as Cronin, he said that he thought they could win free agent battles but he didn't have enough confidence to bring on a guy in the final year of his deal who wanted to play with Dame and Jerami? So he was confident in winning free agents but not the one that actually wanted to be here? So while making all his statements about being aggressive and willing to overpay and being obligated to make a move for Dame, what was he hoping for then? A GM can always talk himself out of any aggressive move because there's always some risk involved and getting All-NBA caliber players usually involves an element of risk which is why they're available in the first place. There was never going to be a perfect move.

From what I can tell, they didn't even try, because they wanted to go young instead. Which also explains why they didn't sign a single guy at the start of free agency, or trade 23, or open up future 1sts.

 

[andalusian]

In the murky corridors of the Portland Trail Blazers' front office, there dwelled a disgruntled executive known as "Frank the Frustrated." Frank had a bone to pick with his boss, Joe Cronin.
..

I did not know the writer's strike was over.

 

[blazerkor]

I wouldn't do Sharpe too. As far as Cronin, he said that he thought they could win free agent battles but he didn't have enough confidence to bring on a guy in the final year of his deal who wanted to play with Dame and Jerami? So he was confident in winning free agents but not the one that actually wanted to be here? So while making all his statements about being aggressive and willing to overpay and being obligated to make a move for Dame, what was he hoping for then? A GM can always talk himself out of any aggressive move because there's always some risk involved and getting All-NBA caliber players usually involves an element of risk which is why they're available in the first place. There was never going to be a perfect move.

From what I can tell, they didn't even try, because they wanted to go young instead. Which also explains why they didn't sign a single guy at the start of free agency, or trade 23, or open up future 1sts.

This is all why it's understandable that Dame has gone scorched earth. That being said, I don't think the way Dame and Goodwin have handled this has had the desired outcome but there's still two weeks.

 

[BonesJones]

This is all why it's understandable that Dame has gone scorched earth. That being said, I don't think the way Dame and Goodwin have handled this has had the desired outcome but there's still two weeks.

Yeah, there seems to be some spite from both parties that has made this situation uglier than it needed to be.

 

[blazerkor]

Yeah, there seems to be some spite from both parties that has made this situation uglier than it needed to be.

Agreed and I'm sure Joe's "aw shucks" routine infuriates Dame every time he sees it. "We did everything we could, we wanted to do it for Dame but just couldn't..." blah blah balh. Joe took the least risk averse path, he's still doing that, that's all the guy has done. I hope it ends up with us having an exciting young team that in a few years another GM can fine tune into a champion under new ownership.

 

[BonesJones]

Agreed and I'm sure Joe's "aw shucks" routine infuriates Dame every time he sees it. "We did everything we could, we wanted to do it for Dame but just couldn't..." blah blah balh. Joe took the least risk averse path, he's still doing that, that's all the guy has done. I hope it ends up with us having an exciting young team that in a few years another GM can fine tune into a champion under new ownership.

We've needed a GM who can make things happen for years. Lack of execution can always be excused one way or another. Hopefully next time is different.

 

[Samuel]

It’s not that good. If I were to guess

exsqueeze me? the miami offer isn't as good as that?

 

[riverman]

I don't believe there's any spite from Dame or the Blazers front office..Dame has said he has nothing but love and respect for the Blazers and Joe has said that he failed Dame publicly and that he needed to be patient in order to make the Blazers better. Chauncey has said he talks with Dame, I'm sure the business and the so called vitriol are not the same issue that's being played out in the media. I just can't see it. Goodwin I think they have some issues with. Joe refused to put Sharpe into any trade deals which was a sticking point in dealing with Toronto and Boston early in the off season. I heard everyone wanted Sharpe and not so many wanted Ant. Joe had to take that into consideration and whatever triggered Dame's camp is pointing to his agent in my view.

 

[Whyachi]

There’s aggressive and then there’s being stupid, Joe wasn’t going to be stupid.

don't forget to act stupid when not being aggressive

Cronin draft day -
"We’ll see how Chauncey decides to use Scoot year one, but I could see it being… {brainfreeze engage} ... y’know, I don’t know how he’s going to do it, if he’s going to use him as a backup or use him as a starter, or swing him, I don’t know how he’s going to do it."

 

[andalusian]

Agreed and I'm sure Joe's "aw shucks" routine infuriates Dame every time he sees it. "We did everything we could, we wanted to do it for Dame but just couldn't..." blah blah balh. Joe took the least risk averse path, he's still doing that, that's all the guy has done. I hope it ends up with us having an exciting young team that in a few years another GM can fine tune into a champion under new ownership.

The least risk averse path? Keeping CJ and running it back yet one more time would have been easy. Both Sharpe and Scoot could be failures. Getting a mediocre return for them to keep Dame happy would have been the safe bet.

Taking a flyer on a high price guy that can leave within a year (if ownership even would be willing to entertain that) and make Dame disgruntled and ask out again is a risk that is not worth having. Every decision has to be a combination of risk/reward. Giving 2 high-ceiling, low cost assets for a 1 year of J-Brown is a risk that is not worth taking, imho. If he could not get a championship next to Tatum and the roster Boston had - he was far from a slam dunk in a team with a roster that included Dame, Grant and spare parts.

There is risk taking and there is jumping of the bridge thinking the water 100ft below will not be as hard as concrete at the moment of impact.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If he wasn't willing to kick the tires on Jaylen Brown, then all his statements about being willing to be aggressive in building around Dame and being willing to overpay are a lie to me. He made sure to kick the tires on the obviously untouchable Bam Adebayo though.

It appears you don't know the definition of "lie"

 

[BonesJones]

It appears you don't know the definition of "lie"

He stated he was willing and obligated to be aggressive in building around Dame. If he then wasn't aggressive in building around Dame and chose to a completely different direction, how is that not a lie?

 

[blazerfan11]

He stated he was willing and obligated to be aggressive in building around Dame. If he then wasn't aggressive in building around Dame and chose to a completely different direction, how is that not a lie?

That's your opinion.

In my opinion, asking Dame and others to sit 2 seasons in a row to tank was aggressively attempting to improve the team.
Also in my opinion, the Blazers may have struck gold in both drafts.

This wasn't the way Dame wanted to improve, but again in my opinion, Cronin probably improved the team more than he could have in a trade, while at the same time not selling out the future.

 

[riverman]

He stated he was willing and obligated to be aggressive in building around Dame. If he then wasn't aggressive in building around Dame and chose to a completely different direction, how is that not a lie?

There's a difference between a "lie" and an attempted failure. You have just drawn that line in the sand throughout this whole ordeal Torey. I've never bought into that narrative that Joe forced Dame out at all. Quite the opposite. I think something nobody talks about is more than likely to have led to Dame's request and it's less roster oriented and more coaching oriented...last two years we gave Dame a rookie coach and Spoelstra in my view is the best coach in the league. Dame is not dumb and I'm sure Jimmy and Bam have driven that point home. If you want a chip soon it's not a stretch to go with the guy who consistently gets to the dance. Listening to Dame's new music there's a lot about money and paying millions in taxes...I'm pretty sure that's another thing that affects Dame's decision making. They don't call him DOLLA for nothing

 

[SharpesTriumph]

He stated he was willing and obligated to be aggressive in building around Dame. If he then wasn't aggressive in building around Dame and chose to a completely different direction, how is that not a lie?

I'm willing and extremely committed to be very aggressive in getting 20k subscribers next year.

If I ultimate end up with 9k subscribers would I be a liar?