Rumor Moe Harklesss Part of Trade With Knicks !!!!! (1 Viewer)

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Regardless if we are talking about ET, Crabbe, or Harkless, I think it has become evident that if we are evaluating players on how they play against the Warriors in these playoffs, then there will be a short list of quality players in the NBA. And although I think the Cavs will be a different team in Cleveland, the pressure the warriors are putting on teams offensively and defensively is embarrassing almost everyone.
 
Reep said:
2) Harkless is a great athlete, but he is entering Meyers territory in terms of having all the opportunity anyone could want, and not breaking out the way we would hope. He is still young, and if we keep him I hope he does because I really like his game. But, so far that hasn't happened consistently. He may never get there, and if he doesn't, then trading him now would be a good move.
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G.T.F.O

You just said you liked Hark...

Can you say that about Butters?

MO can actually play.
 
julius said:
He meant regular season, since Nurk played 1 game in the playoffs and was a shell of himself.
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He was downright awful in the playoffs when we needed him the most. That's a good reason to get rid of the guy - it happens throughout the league, even to players who have pretty solid regular seasons.
 
Denny Crane said:
He was downright awful in the playoffs when we needed him the most. That's a good reason to get rid of the guy - it happens throughout the league, even to players who have pretty solid regular seasons.
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No Butters was awful.

Hark's playoff performance can be attributed directly to his youth and inexperience. That's no reason to get rid of him.
 
A lot of players were awful. Everyone shot like crap overall, including Lillard and McCollum (though McCollum's three-point percentage was great). It might have something to do with playing arguably the best defense in the NBA (they were essentially tied with the Spurs in the regular season for team defensive rating and are younger, quicker, and more athletic) who was locked in for a playoff series against one team.

Singling out Harkless as "not getting it done" doesn't make any sense. We should get rid of everyone on the roster, including Lillard and McCollum, by that logic.
 
Denny Crane said:
He was downright awful in the playoffs when we needed him the most. That's a good reason to get rid of the guy - it happens throughout the league, even to players who have pretty solid regular seasons.
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Uncle Cliffy and Kyle Lowry say 'hello'.
 
Minstrel said:
A lot of players were awful. Everyone shot like crap overall, including Lillard and McCollum (though McCollum's three-point percentage was great). It might have something to do with playing arguably the best defense in the NBA (they were essentially tied with the Spurs in the regular season for team defensive rating and are younger, quicker, and more athletic) who was locked in for a playoff series against one team.

Singling out Harkless as "not getting it done" doesn't make any sense. We should get rid of everyone on the roster, including Lillard and McCollum, by that logic.
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Usually when the top players on a team struggle, some of the others will step up. Like Aminu did.

Guys who've had breakthrough playoff series have gotten big contracts and a lot of them don't live up to the hype.

Crabbe is a fine example. He scored 9.5 PPG on .521 2pt/.429 3pt shooting in the previous playoffs and he got a giant offer from the Nets (and maybe others we don't know about).

Mo had a decent playoffs the season before against the same "arguably the best defense in the NBA."

Singling out Mo as not getting it done isn't what I'm doing. Just pointing out that his playoff performance isn't at all cause to keep him if there's a good deal to be had.
 
dviss1 said:
G.T.F.O

You just said you liked Hark...

Can you say that about Butters?

MO can actually play.
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Hark isn't Biebs, but he is getting near that point where if you don't see him pop, then he may be just a middling 3D guy the rest of his career. I think he has the potential to be PG-lite, but he looks like he is waiting for something.
 
Reep said:
Hark isn't Biebs, but he is getting near that point where if you don't see him pop, then he may be just a middling 3D guy the rest of his career. I think he has the potential to be PG-lite, but he looks like he is waiting for something.
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"Middling" (or average) 3&D guy is pretty much what I'd peg him as. I don't think he has a whole lot more "pop" left in him. But average 3&D guys are quite valuable. The Blazers need more of those, not less.
 
Minstrel said:
"Middling" (or average) 3&D guy is pretty much what I'd peg him as. I don't think he has a whole lot more "pop" left in him. But average 3&D guys are quite valuable. The Blazers need more of those, not less.
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If you can't get George, then if you moved Hark, you would either hope Crabbe produces or add someone who you think has more upside (Isaac, Justin Jackson), or both.
 
Reep said:
If you can't get George, then if you moved Hark, you would either hope Crabbe produces or add someone who you think has more upside (Isaac, Justin Jackson), or both.
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We can't get George.

Actually if we get #8 for Harkless and #20, we might.
 
Mods, don't the Blazers have some sort of stipulation in their agreement with RipCityTwo.com about foul language and multiple exclamation points showing up in thread titles?
 
OT but fun:
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Reep said:
If you can't get George, then if you moved Hark, you would either hope Crabbe produces or add someone who you think has more upside (Isaac, Justin Jackson), or both.
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I'm not averse to using Harkless as trade capital to move up to get someone like Isaac at #8 (if that is, indeed, what Portland and New York are discussing). I just wouldn't say that Harkless needs to "break out" to have a fair amount of value to Portland or that he's comparable to Leonard in any way. Harkless has developed sufficiently to be a useful two-way player. Leonard, in some ways, has actually regressed and isn't useful on either end.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm fine with trading Davis and/or Aminu. But I don't think Harkless is even close to an elite SF in this league at either end of the floor. SF is a position where we could use a serious upgrade.
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Another straw man - NOBODY is saying Harkless is elite. But of all the players, he's the only one that you listed (Harkless, Aminu, Turner, Crabbe) whose skill-to-contract ratio isn't negative.

I'm ALL for getting an elite SF, but we're at a point in time where the talent pool at SF/SG is at an all-time low. Harkless, being average, is better than most alternatives. He's our 4th option in the starting unit, and probably our 5th or 6th option overall. Sure, it would be nice to have an All-Star talent as our 4th/5th/6th option, but it's simply not realistic unless you've already made it to the Finals...or at least WCF.
 
Damn NY has some bad contracts as well. (Noah, Melo, Lee)

Courtney Lee who will be 32 before the season starts has 3 years left at 12-13 mil per. I would take him though for Harkless and 20 if they also swapped us O'Quinn for Leonard.

Then ET plays exclusively SF, Lee in the backcourt, O'Quinn backs up Nurk.

Not a needle mover but we would pick up about 4 mil in cap space and get better depth in the backcourt and center position.
We would still have 15 and 26 for a SF and PF and the option to trade Crabbe.
We would still have Aminu to help out on bigger SF's
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Damn NY has some bad contracts as well. (Noah, Melo, Lee)

Courtney Lee who will be 32 before the season starts has 3 years left at 12-13 mil per. I would take him though for Harkless and 20 if they also swapped us O'Quinn for Leonard.

Then ET plays exclusively SF, Lee in the backcourt, O'Quinn backs up Nurk.

Not a needle mover but we would pick up about 4 mil in cap space and get better depth in the backcourt and center position.
We would still have 15 and 26 for a SF and PF and the option to trade Crabbe.
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There's no need to throw #20 into that trade. Harkless+Leonard for Lee+O'Quinn is very fair.
 
BonesJones said:
There's no need to throw #20 into that trade. Harkless+Leonard for Lee+O'Quinn is very fair.
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Yeah but isn't the Knicks' goal to add a pick to start the youth movement? Maybe they would take 26 instead.
 
blue9 said:
Yeah, he's waiting for someone to pass him the damn ball when he makes those great cuts to the hoop! It finally appears we have someone who will do that.
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True, but I want him to work on his handles and his defense. They guy is one of the most gifted athletes in the NBA. He should be able to lock down anyone, in any game. Sometimes he does. Other times he doesn't. He should also work on his own passing and ball handling. Harkless has the physical qualities to be a monster--just not sure he has the drive or mean streak (or something).
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Damn NY has some bad contracts as well. (Noah, Melo, Lee)

Courtney Lee who will be 32 before the season starts has 3 years left at 12-13 mil per. I would take him though for Harkless and 20 if they also swapped us O'Quinn for Leonard.

Then ET plays exclusively SF, Lee in the backcourt, O'Quinn backs up Nurk.

Not a needle mover but we would pick up about 4 mil in cap space and get better depth in the backcourt and center position.
We would still have 15 and 26 for a SF and PF and the option to trade Crabbe.
We would still have Aminu to help out on bigger SF's
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Lee and O'Quinn for Leonard and Harkless is such a dreadful deal for us without throwing #20 into the mix.
 
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