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hoopsjock said:
This is dumb. The Blazers agreed to trade for Hood on Super Bowl Sunday last year. Maybe that's why Hollinger sucked as a front office person.
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Actually Woj says almost the same thing.

Although the market may not be active for the time being, Wojnarowski did caution during his SportsCenter appearance that things can change quickly, as DePrisco notes. According to Woj, Super Bowl Sunday is generally pretty quiet around the NBA, but talks often heat up on Monday as teams reconvene and regroup. So there’s still a chance we’ll get some action leading up to next Thursday’s deadline.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/01/nba-trade-market-sluggish-as-deadline-nears.html
 
Clint Capella
P.j. Tucker

for

Whiteside

+ swap of team’s 2021 #1 picks
 
Scalma said:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...stern-conference/id1470466331?i=1000464424434

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...stern-conference/id1470466331?i=1000464420930

Woj and Marks previewed the deadline for both conferences. Some notes:

Woj says not a lot of activity usually until Monday morning the week of the deadline when front offices huddle up. So the lack of moves isn’t a surprise.

No trade involving Kevin Love between now and Thursday.

Drummond isn’t very likely to move either. If someone was offering a first he would’ve been traded by now.

Orlando isn’t looking to dump Gordon. Want value in return.

Atlanta could be open to moving John Collins, but more likely in the summer. They want a center.

Minnesota might be the most active team in the west and Woj is confident they will trade Covington next week. Didn’t mention specific destinations, but multiple teams are in on him....obviously.

Memphis is confident they will find a trade for Iggy.

The sign and trade market is back in vogue (something to keep in mind with Whiteside)

That’s about it.
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Did they give any reason for the sign and trade market to be back in vogue (or why it wasn't before)?
 
blazerfan11 said:
Did they give any reason for the sign and trade market to be back in vogue (or why it wasn't before)?
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I would assume because not a lot of teams will have cap space and it's becoming harder and harder for teams to get cap space so a sign and trade is a possibility for a team over the cap to acquire a more expensive player that they wouldn't be able to do in free agency. That's why I mentioned hanging on to Whiteside for the year and explore a sign and trade or re-signing him to a team friendly contract in the off season.
 
I get that Woj and others are talking about sign-and-trades like they are going to be a thing now, but do people understand that a team can't just decide they want to do that with their free agent(s)?
 
For the first time all season I'm starting to want them to keep Whiteside--even more so if they can get him on a reasonable contract after this season. He is definitely helping the team now as he and Dame are developing better chemistry. If they think they can realistically push into the playoffs then you keep Whiteside and Ariza.
 
Scalma said:
*were, before he was traded to Portland. I doubt Portland is looking to trade Ariza right now. I guess anything is possible so I’ll put the odds at 1%, and even lower for it to be a straight trade with Miami.
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Yes I don't think Olshey going to trade him but that won't make Miami not trying. I think Riley likes how his contract is structure plus with his defense he also can help them in the playoffs.
 
James lamphear said:
Yes I don't think Olshey going to trade him but that won't make Miami not trying. I think Riley likes how his contract is structure plus with his defense he also can help them in the playoffs.
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That’s great, but they don’t have anything Portland would/should be interested in.
 
hoopsjock said:
I get that Woj and others are talking about sign-and-trades like they are going to be a thing now, but do people understand that a team can't just decide they want to do that with their free agent(s)?
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Yes, but it also benefits the player as he designates teams he might be interested in that don't have cap space then it's up to the GM's to negotiate an agreeable deal. It works out to a win-win-win. It allows the player to possibly go to the team he wants to go to and not have to take a huge discount to do so.
 
CupWizier said:
Yes, but it also benefits the player as he designates teams he might be interested in that don't have cap space then it's up to the GM's to negotiate an agreeable deal. It works out to a win-win-win. It allows the player to possibly go to the team he wants to go to and not have to take a huge discount to do so.
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Honest question, when was the last time a sign-and-trade worked out like that? I'm trying to think of examples.
 
tester551 said:
@TBpup - you got any rumors for us? Its kinda quiet...
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It's been quite quiet. :bgrin: Phone calls are always being made and I have no idea what whomever it was that said Monday was a 'truce' or day off. There are all sorts of inquiries and it will build up for the next 4 days. Nothing ground breaking and teams can alwasy inquire but that doesn't mean anything gets done. FWIW, Blazer players that have at least been asked about:

  • Whiteside - has a huge ending contract and is playing at a high level.
  • McCollum - Philly would really like someone like CJ.
  • Ariza - Team friendly contract and a nice Playoff rotation piece.
  • Trent - rookie contract who is starting to produce.
  • Simons - still has the 'untapped potential' label on a rookie contract.

No real surprises there.
 
hoopsjock said:
Honest question, when was the last time a sign-and-trade worked out like that? I'm trying to think of examples.
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Don't know and not really all that relevant as things change over the course of time. How can Whiteside (or any player for that matter) go to a team that is over the cap and player unwilling to sign for the mle or less? Nobody is saying it's a for sure, but you have to admit the possibility is always there, especially with fewer and fewer teams having much cap space. It also allows a team to lower their payroll by sending back some player(s) instead of having to sign a player to a big contract and absorbing the full salary. Like I said, it can be a win-win-win situation for all involved.
 
CupWizier said:
Don't know and not really all that relevant as things change over the course of time. How can Whiteside (or any player for that matter) go to a team that is over the cap and player unwilling to sign for the mle or less? Nobody is saying it's a for sure, but you have to admit the possibility is always there, especially with fewer and fewer teams having much cap space. It also allows a team to lower their payroll by sending back some player(s) instead of having to sign a player to a big contract and absorbing the full salary. Like I said, it can be a win-win-win situation for all involved.
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Possibility? Sure, I guess, there is no way to dispute that it is indeed a possibility to happen according to the CBA rules.

But to say it's a win-win-win situation without being able to come up with an example of it happening in the past seems wrong to me. If it's such a great thing for all those involved why doesn't it happen more often? The answer is that there are just way too many variables for a sign and trade.
 
hoopsjock said:
Possibility? Sure, I guess, there is no way to dispute that it is indeed a possibility to happen according to the CBA rules.

But to say it's a win-win-win situation without being able to come up with an example of it happening in the past seems wrong to me. If it's such a great thing for all those involved why doesn't it happen more often? The answer is that there are just way too many variables for a sign and trade.
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Here you go. There are some sign and trade deals just last off season. Notable players being Kemba Walker, Kevin Durant, D'Angelo Russel, Delone Wright, Brogdon

https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/trade-tracker
 
Hoopguru said:
The Knicks acquired Kyle O’Quinn in a 2015 sign-and-trade, while the Grizzlies and Bucks signed-and-traded for Troy Daniels and Matthew Dellavedova, respectively, in 2016. In 2017, the Clippers acquired Danilo Gallinari via sign-and-trade. No sign-and-trade deals were completed in 2018.
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O'Quinn and Dellavedova were both restricted free agents. Sign and trades for restricted free agents are different because the team wanting them doesn't want his old team to match. Daniels was only sign and traded because the Hornets asked the Grizzlies to do it because they wanted a trade exception. In all 3 cases the team that got the player had the cap space to do so.

Gallo is a good example of a team not having enough cap space (they had some), but the Nuggets didn't want the crap the Clippers were trying to pawn on them so they had to find a 3rd team to take it and ended up with a 2nd round pick. Most people in here have poo-pooed any trade scenario in which the prize back is a 2nd round pick.
 
CupWizier said:
Here you go. There are some sign and trade deals just last off season. Notable players being Kemba Walker, Kevin Durant, D'Angelo Russel, Delone Wright, Brogdon

https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/trade-tracker
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Oh I'm sorry, I thought you understood that I was talking about your specific example of trading someone to a team that doesn't have cap space.

No shit sign and trades have happened before, I've been talking about them all morning.
 
hoopsjock said:
Oh I'm sorry, I thought you understood that I was talking about your specific example of trading someone to a team that doesn't have cap space.

No shit sign and trades have happened before, I've been talking about them all morning.
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No, what I was discussing was SIGN AND TRADES and showed you several examples from last year. You appear to be trying to nit pick and being argumentative instead of actually following along.
 
CupWizier said:
No, what I was discussing was SIGN AND TRADES and showed you several examples from last year. You appear to be trying to nit pick and being argumentative instead of actually following along.
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Whatever, you said it's a win-win-win for all teams involved to do a sign and trade to a team without cap space. You have still failed to show an example of that working out for a team in a situation similar to what we'd have with Whiteside this summer. I'm not being argumentative at all. I asked you why we don't see it very often if it is such a good thing for all those involved and you came back at me with a list of sign and trades that had nothing to do with what I was asking you.

I guess you're unable to continue or have a discussion.
 
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