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Denny Crane said:
I am a cubs fan all my life. Since the mid 1960s. The team has one of the most loyal fan bases of any team, in spite of all that losing.
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My mother was one of those cubs fans...I mentioned in another thread...she got to see them win a couple weeks before she passed away....on my bucket list is see them in Wrigley Field...
 
Instant world., Instant results and instant let downs...

Hand in hand my friends.

Those who exhibit patience and persistence will win out. Every time.
 
And I’ve been a Die hard Raiders fan since ‘85, not sure there was a rougher stretch than 2002 to 2015, but it doesn’t mean I take some sort of enjoyment out of rooting for a loser. Not being a bandwagon fan and exceptence of mediocrity or losing are different things
 
riverman said:
My mother was one of those cubs fans...I mentioned in another thread...she got to see them win a couple weeks before she passed away....on my bucket list is see them in Wrigley Field...
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The Cubs' outreach to the city and fans is unmatched anywhere, as far as I've seen. The Blazers are the next best thing, IMO. And I've seen both teams and all the other teams. The commitment to Dame (and CJ). How they represent the team and city so well. They represent the human race just fine, too.

If you're not going to win it all, at least have guys like that to root for. When they do win it, or come close, you can't help but feel good for them.
 
LayneStaley said:
And I’ve been a Die hard Raiders fan since ‘85, not sure there was a rougher stretch than 2002 to 2015, but it doesn’t mean I take some sort of enjoyment out of rooting for a loser. Not being a bandwagon fan and exceptence of mediocrity or losing are different things
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Here we go again. No one is accepting mediocrity or losing, we just continue to disagree with how to accomplish the ultimate goal. Your strategy is not foolproof. (Nor is anyone else's). The percentage of it working is not high. But this bandwagon, myopic, kool aid drinking, rose colored glasses description that people seem to leap to when we disagree with tanking......is ridiculous.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Here we go again. No one is accepting mediocrity or losing, we just continue to disagree with how to accomplish the ultimate goal. Your strategy is not foolproof. (Nor is anyone else's). The percentage of it working is not high. But this bandwagon, myopic, kool aid drinking, rose colored glasses description that people seem to leap to when we disagree with tanking......is ridiculous.
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Preach it Brotha!
 
LayneStaley said:
Blah Blah Blah...41 Years and counting
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Yeah and part of those 41 years we had top 5 picks. Was that the answer?

Hey I am all for "resting" certain players late in the season if we are out of the playoff race in order to move up a few spots in the draft or just give more minutes to younger players so they can develop. (Start Collins) Tanking the last month of the season is not a problem for me if the team regresses and shows no passion to win. But that is a big if. I still say the draft is a crap shoot and you can find talent around 10-15
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah and part of those 41 years we had top 5 picks. Was that the answer?

Hey I am all for "resting" certain players late in the season if we are out of the playoff race in order to move up a few spots in the draft or just give more minutes to younger players so they can develop. (Start Collins) Tanking the last month of the season is not a problem for me if the team regresses and shows no passion to win. But that is a big if. I still say the draft is a crap shoot and you can find talent around 10-15
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This has been proven time and time again.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Here we go again. No one is accepting mediocrity or losing, we just continue to disagree with how to accomplish the ultimate goal. Your strategy is not foolproof. (Nor is anyone else's). The percentage of it working is not high. But this bandwagon, myopic, kool aid drinking, rose colored glasses description that people seem to leap to when we disagree with tanking......is ridiculous.
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But we have to trade Lillard and CJ so that we hopefully draft someone as good as Lillard and CJ.
 
riverman said:
Lots of top 5 busts in the draft...TRob was picked at 5...it's a crap shoot...I'll take Evan Turner over Nic Batum or Wes Mathews....who got similar money to ET
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Turner over Wes...?
 
LayneStaley said:
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/02/09/are-the-portland-trail-blazers-destined-for-mediocrity/

^ this is all I’m trying to say
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It's shit like “This is Year 3 of what’s supposed to be a three to five year rebuild” that pisses me off.

3 years ago it was thought to be a rebuild... Guess what, that ended when we made that playoff run in the first year post-Marsha.

So it's not a fucking rebuild. Stop using the excuse of "Three years ago we didn't think we were going to have three straight around .500 seasons, we thought we'd be worse" as an excuse to not get better. He makes excuses for himself all the fucking time. But guess what, he won't say anything about Turner's contract... If he did it'd go something like "We had to spend money because we'd lose it"... which would be an excuse for killing our future flexibility for a player that doesn't help, as if we couldn't maneuver our way into cap space without Turner and Meyers getting paid $27M a year.
 
Olshey said he comes to Switzerland for that serbian guy, i live only 20 Miles Away from the German Switzerland border. Dear Neil: if you come to Switzerland, i'll invite you and we can talk about that horrible Summer 2016 and the Player you signed called "Assets".
 
He also acts like we shouldn't do anything because we've had "success". However, "success" to him is quoted as 4 straight years in the playoffs and two 2nd round births. One of those 2nd round births was with a completely different team so it doesn't apply. The other we got lucky because the Clippers were decimated by injuries. Even then, I want a GM that's desperate to win a championship and makes moves accordingly (but also takes calculated lower risk/higher reward moves).
 
Labinot41 said:
Olshey said he comes to Switzerland for that serbian guy, i live only 20 Miles Away from the German Switzerland border. Dear Neil: if you come to Switzerland, i'll invite you and we can talk about that horrible Summer 2016 and the Player you signed called "Assets".
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And you bury him in the woods?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Instant world., Instant results and instant let downs...

Hand in hand my friends.

Those who exhibit patience and persistence will win out. Every time.
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The Warriors weren't being patient or persistence when they fired Mark Jackson for Steve Kerr or when they signed Durant. How does patience and persistence always win out? Patience and persistence doesn't help you finally smash that square peg into a round hole.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Only the top 6 teams in the league are not "destined for mediocrity" - everyone else is... that's all I'm saying.

So, we're not top 6 right now. Like many other teams, if we make the right trade or even have a little luck, we can get into the top 6.
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It’s about more than just binary thinking. Yes we’re not elite now so we aren’t making win now decisions but there has to be a believable plan in place to get there that the fan base can get behind. Neil has fallen completely flat in that regard. His “plan” of overpaying for bad assets regardless has gotten us further from a title than it has helped. So regardless of time frame or likelihood of title contending he has not done a good job of rebuilding. He has done the opposite of what the successful rebuilding gms have done. He has saddled the team with tons of bad debt and dead money and he traded away young players without receiving assets in return.

The Neil believers on here really gotta start squaring that by almost any metric outside of a couple draft picks he has not done a great job.
 
The Olshey apologists are out strong today. I just can’t believe you can look at this roster, the moves made since 2014, the frustration from our franchise PG, the lack of any real direction or plan going forward and think “We’re on track”. It honestly baffles me.

Doesn’t matter though because I really think if Olshey doesn’t make some type of deal to obviously improve the team by draft day he’s gone.
 
BonesJones said:
He also acts like we shouldn't do anything because we've had "success". However, "success" to him is quoted as 4 straight years in the playoffs and two 2nd round births. One of those 2nd round births was with a completely different team so it doesn't apply. The other we got lucky because the Clippers were decimated by injuries. Even then, I want a GM that's desperate to win a championship and makes moves accordingly (but also takes calculated lower risk/higher reward moves).
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If that is what you made of it then you are obviously not going to listen to anything he says. He specifically said he would make moves this summer but this year he got under the tax. There is nothing wrong with that if he follows through with that.
 
Denny Crane said:
Why should we care about payroll? Paying a payroll right up to the LT is ideal. That we are is a point in NO's favor.
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No. Because the only players on the roster anybody wants are the players we're unwilling (rightly!) to trade. This is an abysmal position to be in. If there were even 3 players outside of Dame/CJ/Nurk/Collins that had value, then you could argue that the financials are ideal. But that's not the case - we are almost entirely reliant on Nurk/Collins becoming All-Star-level talents in order for the team to improve.
 
While some of us decrying the tank-for-picks route some espouse, don’t assume we are also NO apologists.

He has had some successes but also many failures. Don’t approve of many of his moves but also don’t know how much is Paul’s doing and NO had to act as directed.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Here we go again. No one is accepting mediocrity or losing, we just continue to disagree with how to accomplish the ultimate goal. Your strategy is not foolproof. (Nor is anyone else's). The percentage of it working is not high. But this bandwagon, myopic, kool aid drinking, rose colored glasses description that people seem to leap to when we disagree with tanking......is ridiculous.
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But the kingspeed/riverman acceptance of and inability to criticize the team is equally ridiculous.
 
BonesJones said:
It's shit like “This is Year 3 of what’s supposed to be a three to five year rebuild” that pisses me off.

3 years ago it was thought to be a rebuild... Guess what, that ended when we made that playoff run in the first year post-Marsha.

So it's not a fucking rebuild. Stop using the excuse of "Three years ago we didn't think we were going to have three straight around .500 seasons, we thought we'd be worse" as an excuse to not get better. He makes excuses for himself all the fucking time. But guess what, he won't say anything about Turner's contract... If he did it'd go something like "We had to spend money because we'd lose it"... which would be an excuse for killing our future flexibility for a player that doesn't help, as if we couldn't maneuver our way into cap space without Turner and Meyers getting paid $27M a year.
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No, it wasn't a rebuild, Olshey refused to say that word, he called it a reload. So now we've taken a step backwards, we've gone from reloading to rebuilding.
 
chzbrgr said:
His “plan” of overpaying for bad assets regardless has gotten us further from a title than it has helped.
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And that's it right there - we are worse off today than we were the day LA decided to leave. We are worse off because of the decisions Olshey made, starting with the Nic trade.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
Don’t approve of many of his moves but also don’t know how much is Paul’s doing and NO had to act as directed.
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Every single trade and UFA is Neil's doing. You can blame Paul for Crabbe, Meyers, and Harkless and I won't argue, but everything else is 100% Neil.
 
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