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Dame is my guy, but some could say he's overpaid against other guards in the league.

Dame 46
True 36
Booker 36
Murray 33
SGA 33
Mitchell 33
Brunson 26

Stephen Curry $48,070,014
Russell Westbrook $47,559,433
John Wall $47,345,760
LeBron James $44,474,988
Kevin Durant $44,119,845
Bradley Beal $43,279,250
Giannis Antetokounmpo $42,492,492
Damian Lillard $42,492,492
Paul George $42,492,492
Kawhi Leonard $42,492,492
Klay Thompson $40,600,080
Kyrie Irving $38,917,057
Khris Middleton $37,948,276

I don't believe there are any set rules for gauging this. But factors that need to be considered are age-of-player/which-contract/eligibility-when-signed. The standard progression (cap-factor) goes: rookie scale (mandatory scale)--->rookie-extension (2nd contract-25%)---> 3rd contract (30%)--->4th contract (35%).

within the framework of those steps is the allowance for players to hit specific thresholds and jump a grade from 25%-->30% or 30%-->35%. Dame hit those thresholds and when he signed his rookie extension he was eligible for 30% of cap instead of 25%. That's when he 'gave-back' money to the Blazers so they had more operating room, and settled for 27.5%. Dame is now in his 3rd contract and last summer, when he signed his super-max extension, he was a 10 year vet which would have made him eligible for 35% anyway

I'm not sure who True is, you probably meant JRue. But the rest of those guys you mentioned are all in various stages of their rookie extensions. Meaning their max initial salary was set at 25% of the cap (unless any hit the thresholds for that grade raise, like Dame, and I don't think any did) Comparing their rookie extension to Dame's 3rd contract is apples/oranges. I believe all will be eligible for the grade bump in their 3rd contract, meaning they could get 35% of cap instead of 30%

Devin Booker has already signed his 3rd contract as an extension:

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Jamal Murray will certainly sign for 35% if the Nuggets win the championship. He might even sign and extension this summer. Same for Donovan Mitchell. SGA has hit the threshold but he was only in the first year of his extension this season

that's why I posted other players and their salaries as a comparison. They are Dame's peers in terms of years of experience and accomplishment. And they have salaries similar to Dame

you kind of have to look at contract progressions. For instance, Dame vs Bradley Beal:

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the difference is that Beal signed a 5 year max contract last summer that had a base salary starting at 35% of the cap. Dame signed a two year extension that was based upon a max raise of the final year of his existing deal. Different standards and the timing of Dame's extension is a common method top players for possibly exceeding 35%. Dame's may or may not exceed 35% because the new CBA has a smoothing provision for that giant influx of media money that will arrive before the 2025 off-season (that didn't happen in 2016)

but good players almost always get the same max deals as their age/experience peers. Compare Dame & Giannis:

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the only difference is that Dame was drafted a year earlier than Giannis and he 'used' that extra year to leverage his extension. it's almost certain Giannis will get an extension by opting out of that option year and signing an extension. I think he'll be eligible for that in July

but other guys who are in the same draft class have the same extensions:

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(Doncic & LaVine had better advisors than Trae because those option years will allow them to get a big raise a year earlier)

or:

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by the way, notice how none of these guys are signing deals for less than their max as a favor to their teams, but apparently, Dame is an asshole because he didn't
 
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Stephen Curry $48,070,014
Russell Westbrook $47,559,433
John Wall $47,345,760
LeBron James $44,474,988
Kevin Durant $44,119,845
Bradley Beal $43,279,250
Giannis Antetokounmpo $42,492,492
Damian Lillard $42,492,492
Paul George $42,492,492
Kawhi Leonard $42,492,492
Klay Thompson $40,600,080
Kyrie Irving $38,917,057
Khris Middleton $37,948,276

I don't believe there are any set rules for gauging this. But factors that need to be considered are age-of-player/which-contract/eligibility-when-signed. The standard progression (cap-factor) goes: rookie scale (mandatory scale)--->rookie-extension (2nd contract-25%)---> 3rd contract (30%)--->4th contract (35%).

within the framework of those steps is the allowance for players to hit specific thresholds and jump a grade from 25%-->30% or 30%-->35%. Dame hit those thresholds and when he signed his rookie extension he was eligible for 30% of cap instead of 25%. That's when he 'gave-back' money to the Blazers so they had more operating room, and settled for 27.5%. Dame is now in his 3rd contract and last summer, when he signed his super-max extension, he was a 10 year vet which would have made him eligible for 35% anyway

I'm not sure who True is, you probably meant JRue. But the rest of those guys you mentioned are all in various stages of their rookie extensions. Meaning their max initial salary was set at 25% of the cap (unless any hit the thresholds for that grade raise, like Dame, and I don't think any did) Comparing their rookie extension to Dame's 3rd contract is apples/oranges. I believe all will be eligible for the grade bump in their 3rd contract, meaning they could get 35% of cap instead of 30%

Devin Booker has already signed his 3rd contract as an extension:

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Jamal Murray will certainly sign for 35% if the Nuggets win the championship. He might even sign and extension this summer. Same for Donovan Mitchell. SGA has hit the threshold but he was only in the first year of his extension this season

that's why I posted other players and their salaries as a comparison. They are Dame's peers in terms of years of experience and accomplishment. And they have salaries similar to Dame

you kind of have to look at contract progressions. For instance, Dame vs Bradley Beal:

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the difference is that Beal signed a 5 year max contract last summer that had a base salary starting at 35% of the cap. Dame signed a two year extension that was based upon a max raise of the final year of his existing deal. Different standards and the timing of Dame's extension is a common method top players for possibly exceeding 35%. Dame's may or may not exceed 35% because the new CBA has a smoothing provision for that giant influx of media money that will arrive before the 2025 off-season (that didn't happen in 2016)

but good players almost always get the same max deals as their age/experience peers. Compare Dame & Giannis:

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the only difference is that Dame was drafted a year earlier than Giannis and he 'used' that extra year to leverage his extension. it's almost certain Giannis will get an extension by opting out of that option year and signing an extension. I think he'll be eligible for that in July

but other guys who are in the same draft class have the same extensions:

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(Doncic & LaVine had better advisors than Trae because those option years will allow them to get a big raise a year earlier)

or:

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by the way, notice how none of these guys are signing deals for less than their max as a favor to their teams, but apparently, Dame is an asshole because he didn't
I hope you didnt think I was calling Dame an asshole? Im a Dame supporter big time as long as he
wants to be in pdx.
 
Can a cap expert explains to me why Brownnis eligible for the biggest contract ever?


well, he's eligible for a super-max and that means his base salary would be 35% of the cap. I'm not sure if that 35% would be calculated off of next seasons cap or the 2024-25 cap. I'm not sure how they get to the 5-year/295M number is see so often. Must be based upon a projected cap in 2024-25 because based upon next season's cap it's only 270M

by the way, it's 5 times the base salary in a 5 year deal, And over 5 years that would be 10 step raises of 8% of the base salary
 
I hope you didnt think I was calling Dame an asshole? Im a Dame supporter big time as long as he
wants to be in pdx.

I don't think anyone thought that and pretty confident no one has called Dame that. A lot of things are attributed to some posts that were never said.
 
well, he's eligible for a super-max and that means his base salary would be 35% of the cap. I'm not sure if that 35% would be calculated off of next seasons cap or the 2024-25 cap. I'm not sure how they get to the 5-year/295M number is see so often. Must be based upon a projected cap in 2024-25 because based upon next season's cap it's only 270M

by the way, it's 5 times the base salary in a 5 year deal, And over 5 years that would be 10 step raises of 8% of the base salary
A LIVE look at @THE HCP trying to comprehend this post!
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So now all of the head coaching positions in the league are filled. It's time for the Blazers to blitz Bud. Give him the richest deal for a lead assistant in league history. He would be here to help Chauncey with a new roster that is expected to win and if Chauncey can't get that done he would be here to replace Chauncey.
 
So now all of the head coaching positions in the league are filled. It's time for the Blazers to blitz Bud. Give him the richest deal for a lead assistant in league history. He would be here to help Chauncey with a new roster that is expected to win and if Chauncey can't get that done he would be here to replace Chauncey.

Bud's probably happy to take a year off to rest.
 
Interested to see what VanVleet gets as a FA. Not sure what his true height is (My guess is 5'11) but his wing span is only 6'2 ....and he is not athletic enough to make up for it. None-the- less he can be a very good backup, but should he have opted out of 23 mil?
 
Interested to see what VanVleet gets as a FA. Not sure what his true height is (My guess is 5'11) but his wing span is only 6'2 ....and he is not athletic enough to make up for it. None-the- less he can be a very good backup, but should he have opted out of 23 mil?

I think he should have taken that. I don't see a huge market for him. How many teams would want him?
 
I think he should have taken that. I don't see a huge market for him. How many teams would want him?

Yep, a lot of teams would want him, just not at that amount. He is good though....but I still think he is a backup.
 
Interested to see what VanVleet gets as a FA. Not sure what his true height is (My guess is 5'11) but his wing span is only 6'2 ....and he is not athletic enough to make up for it. None-the- less he can be a very good backup, but should he have opted out of 23 mil?

he wants a longer 4-5 year deal. Guaranteed money. Never know when a major injury is going to monkey-wrench the future
 
he wants a longer 4-5 year deal. Guaranteed money. Never know when a major injury is going to monkey-wrench the future
Yes I was thinking that also. He can get 14-16 million for 4 years. Turns 23 million to 60 million.
 
Yes I was thinking that also. He can get 14-16 million for 4 years. Turns 23 million to 60 million.

Sure but he could get his 23 million and then get 14-16 for 4 years. Has he had many injuries?
 

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