OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: JUNE 2024

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Pinwheel1 said:
Not many. But possibly someone like the Warriors. They might think they are contenders if they moved Chris Paul and filler (i.e Payton) at the deadline.
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We'll have to see in the next week if the Warriors even keep Pauls contract. Unless they can use it to trade for Paul George or something I expect they cut CP3 and pocket the cash. That franchise, and especially minority owners, are not happy paying $300+ million on payroll/luxury tax to lose as the 10th seed. They really don't have any realistic path to contend unless they use Pauls contract and picks/Kuminga/etc to bring in a veteran. Even then most veterans would still have them on the road in round 1 unless its a Paul George level which just seems extremely unlikely.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Your likely right for 2025... but 3 years is a long time in the NBA so we don't really know with 2027. The 2029, 2031, picks and 2028 swaps all 3 completely unprotected could be worth a ton though. Thats how the Celtics got Tatum and Brown.

NY will have so much pressure to win the next 4 years they are unlikely to have young players with upside. By then all of their core will be over 30, declined performance, and/or more likely to be injured.

It's one of the best pick hauls ever received in a trade. Certainly the best for a player that has never been an allstar.
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Did you miss, "The picks at the tail end of the deal, who knows"? The front half of the deal is basically good 2nd round picks. The back half is unknown. Betting on NYK to suck for a stretch of years isn't a bad plan, but odds are still high that the pick swaps go nowhere because the Nets will always be the worse team.

You're a bit off in how the Celtics got Tatum and Brown, at least in terms of context. They dumped over-the-hill players on a desperate Nets team that resulted in the Nets still sucking. That's pretty tough to replicate, because teams usually get better (i.e., worse draft picks) when they acquire stars.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Rockets are "considering" offering Sengun for Durant?

Kind of like Miami "considering" offering Herro for Dame last summer.... that offer is beyond dead on arrival.
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Yeah, Phoenix won't do that, but they should consider moving him for some sort of combo of Houston's young assets. Amen, Jabbari, Eason Whitmore, Sengun, Green, and #3 could all be in play.
 
If Dame tells you I like you to get Bridges. Would you give 5 first rounders to the Nets?
 
TYDame said:
If Dame tells you I like you to get Bridges. Would you give 5 first rounders to the Nets?
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I thought it was funny how the narrative last year was that either Brooklyn was insane to not take Simons/Scoot OR that we never really made a good faith offer for Bridges.

Now we see what Brooklyn got for him....
 
Natebishop3 said:
I thought it was funny how the narrative last year was that either Brooklyn was insane to not take Simons/Scoot OR that we never really made a good faith offer for Bridges.

Now we see what Brooklyn got for him....
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And instead of that consideration, it turns to "look at Cronin and what he got for Dame! He sucks!" Not taking into account Dames contract and age.

Also, "Dame requested 1 team too, Cronin sucks for not getting that haul from Miami" ignoring the fact that Miami didn't have 5 1sts to give and didn't really have stuff they were willing to offer us that was better than the Milwaukee offer.
 
They can offer him a max/s&t, but the Clippers have to want what they have to offer.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
When have the Lakers had a massive payroll? Their owners aren't uber wealthy like many other NBA franchises.

The Warriors are in cap hell now as well as the Clippers - both large market teams. Both paid massive luxury tax for 0 playoff series wins and now risk having hall of famers walk for nothing. The new CBA is changing a lot of the previous big market spending teams.

It will likely happen to NY eventually - but they have 2 years of Brunson/Bridges on underpaid contracts then 2 years paying repeater tax before they will likely have to tear it all down and rebuild.
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Somebody will bail out the Warriors because someone will want to play with Steph. The Lakers always get out of cap issues. You know this. They get more one year vet minimum deals than any team in the league.
 
julius said:
They can offer him a max/s&t, but the Clippers have to want what they have to offer.
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Correct, but the Clippers could also lose him for nothing...

I would guess it would be something like CP3's expiring contract, maybe Kevon Looney, a young guy and a pick.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Rockets are "considering" offering Sengun for Durant?

Kind of like Miami "considering" offering Herro for Dame last summer.... that offer is beyond dead on arrival.
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That was my first thought but I’m glad I wasn’t alone thinking that.
 
andalusian said:
Correct, but the Clippers could also lose him for nothing...

I would guess it would be something like CP3's expiring contract, maybe Kevon Looney, a young guy and a pick.
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Sure, they could lose him for nothing, but if they did that, he wouldn't be going to the Warriors. So it's not as cut and dry as that.
 
This PG rumor to G. St can only help the Blazers IF they are trying to trade Grant so I am all for it. The only downside is it might push the Rockets to make a bigger splash so we might lose that outlet to dump a vet but we shall see.
 
julius said:
Sure, they could lose him for nothing, but if they did that, he wouldn't be going to the Warriors. So it's not as cut and dry as that.
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As I said, I agreed with you, the question for the Clippers is, are they willing to get a pick and some junk for him or are they happy to just let him go. I would suspect they would want to get something... This is not a NeO let LMA walk out the door for no compensation kind of stupidity.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
And instead of that consideration, it turns to "look at Cronin and what he got for Dame! He sucks!" Not taking into account Dames contract and age.

Also, "Dame requested 1 team too, Cronin sucks for not getting that haul from Miami" ignoring the fact that Miami didn't have 5 1sts to give and didn't really have stuff they were willing to offer us that was better than the Milwaukee offer.
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Leading up to that trade was getting beyond nauseating with "the Blazers need to do right by Dame" talk after he requested a trade to Miami.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, Phoenix won't do that, but they should consider moving him for some sort of combo of Houston's young assets. Amen, Jabbari, Eason Whitmore, Sengun, Green, and #3 could all be in play.
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i think it likely that some combo of picks and assets from houston will be headed to miami for butler.
 
lawai'a said:
i think it likely that some combo of picks and assets from houston will be headed to miami for butler.
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I'm sure Miami will be satisfied by something similar to the incredibly fair and reasonable package they offered for Dame.
 
so............Landale, adams, JEFF green and a top 25 protected first in 2029 that converts to a top 55 protected 2nd if not conveyed ought to do it sir?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, Phoenix won't do that, but they should consider moving him for some sort of combo of Houston's young assets. Amen, Jabbari, Eason Whitmore, Sengun, Green, and #3 could all be in play.
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Durant has a track record of demanding to go to the team that was just in the finals - so would that be Boston or Dallas? Maybe he would want to rejoin Kyrie - or maybe he got jealous watching him and wants to be traded FOR Kyrie.
 
kjironman1 said:
Somebody will bail out the Warriors because someone will want to play with Steph. The Lakers always get out of cap issues. You know this. They get more one year vet minimum deals than any team in the league.
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Well sure, I remember when the Lakers signed all those one year vets a few seasons ago in Dwight Howard, Rondo, Melo, with all the bets put on them to win the title and they ended up in the lottery.

Not sure what kind of argument your trying to make when none of GS or either LA team won a playoff series - and we had small market Indy/Minnesota/etc in the conference finals.

The salary cap and new CBA are real constraints. GS/Clippers can't spend endlessly any longer. The Lakers never have spent like that as their owners aren't as rich as many small market owners.
 
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