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some more on this: people try and justify the CW by pointing at Georgia/Georgia Tech...FSU/Florida, etc. Well, those are home-and-home rivalries between two Power-4 programs. The CW will be a home-and-home between a Power-4 and a G5. It will damage Oregon's SOS which will become a big factor in the 12 team playoff

and for those pointing at the 5 year agreement between UW and WSU: this year's game was played in Seattle; next year's game will be played in Seattle. Then home/home for 4 years. In other words, over 6 seasons, 4 games will be played in Seattle and 2 in Pullman
 
changing tracks from the CW...
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the Portal is going nuts right now:

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may be the #1 player in the portal this year:

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yeah, Texas A&M is getting hammered by defections
 
SlyPokerDog said:
How much are they paying the Ducks to play them?

They're paying all their Mountain West opponents a million dollars each. Ducks should get at least $2 or 3 million.
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I have no clue how it works if it's a long term agreement. What will Oregon pay Oregon St to come to Autzen in 2025? Do you just call it a wash?
 
wizenheimer said:
some more on this: people try and justify the CW by pointing at Georgia/Georgia Tech...FSU/Florida, etc. Well, those are home-and-home rivalries between two Power-4 programs. The CW will be a home-and-home between a Power-4 and a G5. It will damage Oregon's SOS which will become a big factor in the 12 team playoff

and for those pointing at the 5 year agreement between UW and WSU: this year's game was played in Seattle; next year's game will be played in Seattle. Then home/home for 4 years. In other words, over 6 seasons, 4 games will be played in Seattle and 2 in Pullman
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Feels like you're making a few assumptions here that I'm not sure I agree with:
  1. The B1G SOS not being significantly tougher than the P12 SOS - I bet Oregon's average SOS will be tougher in future years, even with OSU on the schedule
  2. That SOS will be a big factor into he 12 team playoff - no evidence to suggest this
  3. That the civil war will automatically replace future scheduled P4 games (Oklahoma St, Baylor) and not other mid-majors - I haven't seen confirmation either way.
I don't see how scheduling a mid-major is a big deal in either direction. The obvious advantages from the AD's perspective (and why I thought it would end up getting scheduled again) is the ability to play a mid-major and have an automatic sellout, games in Corvallis will be easy travel, and many Oregon fans could attend if they wanted.
 
Wonder what the delay is for additional Oregon players to enter the portal? More are coming, for sure.
 
twobullz said:
Maybe some are wanting to play in the bowl game.
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Certainly could be. Curious if the benefit of possibly playing would outweigh missing the chance to find a roster spot prior to the early signing period. It should also be noted that this 30 day window closes on Jan 2nd, 2024.

There has to be more true sophomore/redshirt freshman from Lanning's first class that will get processed out.
 
Tince said:
Feels like you're making a few assumptions here that I'm not sure I agree with:
  1. The B1G SOS not being significantly tougher than the P12 SOS - I bet Oregon's average SOS will be tougher in future years, even with OSU on the schedule
  2. That SOS will be a big factor into he 12 team playoff - no evidence to suggest this
  3. That the civil war will automatically replace future scheduled P4 games (Oklahoma St, Baylor) and not other mid-majors - I haven't seen confirmation either way.
I don't see how scheduling a mid-major is a big deal in either direction. The obvious advantages from the AD's perspective (and why I thought it would end up getting scheduled again) is the ability to play a mid-major and have an automatic sellout, games in Corvallis will be easy travel, and many Oregon fans could attend if they wanted.
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this season, out of 133 teams, this is where the MWC ranked in SOS:

70 Boise St (8-5)
73 San Jose St (7-5)
81 Wyoming (8-4)
87 UNLV (9-4)
89 Air Force (8-4)
93 San Diego St (4-8)
94 Utah St (6-6)
95 Fresno St (8-4)
105 Colorado St (5-7)
120 Nevada (2-10)
123 Hawaii (5-8)
128 New Mexico (4-8)

common opponents are a significant component of a teams SOS. OSU can't play 9 of those teams every year without downgrading their own SOS value

and LOL at the idea that a home and home against OSU won't have an impact on future P4 OOC...it just did
 
wizenheimer said:
this season, out of 133 teams, this is where the MWC ranked in SOS:

70 Boise St (8-5)
73 San Jose St (7-5)
81 Wyoming (8-4)
87 UNLV (9-4)
89 Air Force (8-4)
93 San Diego St (4-8)
94 Utah St (6-6)
95 Fresno St (8-4)
105 Colorado St (5-7)
120 Nevada (2-10)
123 Hawaii (5-8)
128 New Mexico (4-8)

common opponents are a significant component of a teams SOS. OSU can't play 9 of those teams every year without downgrading their own SOS value

and LOL at the idea that a home and home against OSU won't have an impact on future P4 OOC...it just did
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How does any of your posted show that Oreogn's SOS won't be improving by moving to the B1G over what they've had in the P12 (where they were able to compete for a top 4 spot), that SOS is going to be a major factor in the 12 team playoff selections, and that future civil wars games (in 2026 and beyond) will replace P4 games. And if the B1G schedule is going to be so hard, does it even benefit Oregon to schedule a difficult P4 non-conference game?

Again, a lot of assumptions that I'm not sure are based in fact.
 
Tince said:
Wonder what the delay is for additional Oregon players to enter the portal? More are coming, for sure.
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might be a lot of players considering it wanting to line up possible destinations before making the leap into the portal.

if Oregon lands Gabriel I have a hard time seeing Ty Thompson staying

also, some may be waiting to see which Oregon juniors declare for the draft

twobullz said:
Maybe some are wanting to play in the bowl game.
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Portal closes 2 days after the bowl game
 
wizenheimer said:
might be a lot of players considering it wanting to line up possible destinations before making the leap into the portal.

if Oregon lands Gabriel I have a hard time seeing Ty Thompson staying

also, some may be waiting to see which Oregon juniors declare for the draft



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All great points! agreed!

Of note: The Fiesta Bowl is Jan 1st and the portal closes on Jan 2nd.
 
Tince said:
How does any of your posted show that Oreogn's SOS won't be improving by moving to the B1G over what they've had in the P12 (where they were able to compete for a top 4 spot), that SOS is going to be a major factor in the 12 team playoff selections, and that future civil wars games (in 2026 and beyond) will replace P4 games. And if the B1G schedule is going to be so hard, does it even benefit Oregon to schedule a difficult P4 non-conference game?

Again, a lot of assumptions that I'm not sure are based in fact.
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here's my assumption: there's no benefit, not on, none at all, for Oregon in the CW continuing. I know you don't agree. Lets leave it at that
 
Paine Tablet said:
Why not? This has been one of the shittiest narratives I have ever seen about a player. He has one of the best arms in the country and has a perfect build for the position. He looked really shaky in his prior experiences, but this year in extensive playing time for a back up, he actually performed quite well with a very limited playbook. His stats this year were great. He made a number of great throws. Nothing you could say about his performance this season would suggest that "he doesn't have it". Your opinion actually really pisses me off. Don't take it personally, you are not alone. It's just stupid.
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The eye test. I watched him play. I don’t see someone who is in command. He’s the QB so he needs to look like he’s the head honcho. I don’t see it.
 
wizenheimer said:
might be a lot of players considering it wanting to line up possible destinations before making the leap into the portal.

if Oregon lands Gabriel I have a hard time seeing Ty Thompson staying

also, some may be waiting to see which Oregon juniors declare for the draft



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Some guys might be thinking they will get a chance in the bowl game to improve their stock in the portal.
 
wizenheimer said:
here's my assumption: there's no benefit, not on, none at all, for Oregon in the CW continuing. I know you don't agree. Lets leave it at that
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I was asking these questions to try and figure out if that feeling was based on any facts or not wanting to play them was more of an emotional thing... All good on my end!
 
Natebishop3 said:
Some guys might be thinking they will get a chance in the bowl game to improve their stock in the portal.
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Outside of Ty playing, I can't really see a scenario where a bowl game against Liberty is really going to move the needle on how other teams feel about a players abilities.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Some guys might be thinking they will get a chance in the bowl game to improve their stock in the portal.
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maybe...I'd have to check the rules. If they enter the portal before the deadline they may be able to transfer before spring

the drawback is that they will likely not be enrolled for spring ball
 
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