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That doesn't look that great for Dame. I love what he does but he is the highest player on that list but his rank doesn't measure up to that.

PER: 2nd
TS%: 3rd
TR%: 3rd
Ast%: 3rd
Stl%: 5th
Blk%: Tied for 2nd
TO%: 3rd
OWS: 3rd
DWS: 4th
WS/48: 4th
BPM: 5th
VORP: Tied for 4th

Not 1st in any category....except salary.
 
TBpup said:
That doesn't look that great for Dame. I love what he does but he is the highest player on that list but his rank doesn't measure up to that.
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That's been my main issue with Dame over the past year. As good as he's been for the team and the community, his reputation has far exceeded his production, to the detriment of his teammates, I believe. That's why I'm inclined to think, a) George Karl had some idea what he was talking about, and b) Stott's reaction was so defensive. There's a raw nerve there somewhere being hidden away from the public.

Not 1st in any category....except salary.
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Add in Conley and Lillard would fare a bit better in that category. :)
 
TBpup said:
Highest paid....
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Isaiah Thomas is RIDICULOUSLY underpaid.
A reminder of the 2011 draft:

21. Trail Blazers Nolan Smith SG
22. Nuggets Kenneth Faried PF
23. Rockets Nikola Mirotic SF
24. Thunder Reggie Jackson PG

29. Spurs Cory Joseph PG
30. Bulls Jimmy Butler SF

38. Rockets Chandler Parsons SF

51. Trail Blazers Jon Diebler SG

53. Magic DeAndre Liggins SG

55. Celtics E'Twaun Moore SG

60. Kings Isaiah Thomas PG
 
TBpup said:
That doesn't look that great for Dame. I love what he does but he is the highest player on that list but his rank doesn't measure up to that.

PER: 2nd
TS%: 3rd
TR%: 3rd
Ast%: 3rd
Stl%: 5th
Blk%: Tied for 2nd
TO%: 3rd
OWS: 3rd
DWS: 4th
WS/48: 4th
BPM: 5th
VORP: Tied for 4th

Not 1st in any category....except salary.
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This is also just this season where Dame has had a very bad season defensively and has been in a slump and is shooting his worst from 3 for his career. On the other hand Walker/Lowery are vastly exceeding there career averages in shooting and Thomas is shooting a little better from 2 but the same from 3, its really the amount of FTA's he has is almost 3 more then last season and almost double his career avg.
 
Rhal said:
This is also just this season where Dame has had a very bad season defensively and has been in a slump and is shooting his worst from 3 for his career. On the other hand Walker/Lowery are vastly exceeding there career averages in shooting and Thomas is shooting a little better from 2 but the same from 3, its really the amount of FTA's he has is almost 3 more then last season and almost double his career avg.
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It's not just this season.
 
Rhal said:
This is also just this season where Dame has had a very bad season defensively and has been in a slump and is shooting his worst from 3 for his career. On the other hand Walker/Lowery are vastly exceeding there career averages in shooting and Thomas is shooting a little better from 2 but the same from 3, its really the amount of FTA's he has is almost 3 more then last season and almost double his career avg.
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It's funny: his PER is his highest ever, as is his TS%, and his BPM is better than last year (but worse than the year before that) but his VORP is the lowest it has ever been.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
It's funny: his PER is his highest ever, as is his TS%, and his BPM is better than last year (but worse than the year before that) but his VORP is the lowest it has ever been.
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VORP is a cumulative figure that increases over the course of the season. At his current rate, he's on pace for a VORP of 4.3--second highest of his career. I imagine that if the defensive adjustments that have been implemented remain effective after Dame's return, his DBPM would improve, and his VORP would likely approach 5 before the year's out.
 
TBpup said:
That doesn't look that great for Dame. I love what he does but he is the highest player on that list but his rank doesn't measure up to that.

PER: 2nd
TS%: 3rd
TR%: 3rd
Ast%: 3rd
Stl%: 5th
Blk%: Tied for 2nd
TO%: 3rd
OWS: 3rd
DWS: 4th
WS/48: 4th
BPM: 5th
VORP: Tied for 4th

Not 1st in any category....except salary.
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We never had the opportunity to draft any of those players or to trade Dame for them so it doesn't matter to me that he makes more than them. And besides, the only reason Dame makes more is because the cap went up. They're all max players.
 
dviss1 said:
Ok WTF is VORP and who gives a shit?

:dunno:
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From basketball-reference.com:
  • VORP
    Value Over Replacement Player (available since the 1973-74 season in the NBA); a box score estimate of the points per 100 TEAM possessions that a player contributed above a replacement-level (-2.0) player, translated to an average team and prorated to an 82-game season. Multiply by 2.70 to convert to wins over replacement. Please see the article About Box Plus/Minus (BPM) for more information.
BNM
 
The startling stat is Dame's only shooting 35% from 3.

That's BAD. For a guy who is universally considered a good shooter, that's an awful percentage. He really is very streaky.

Dude really needs to stop the pull ups from 30+ feet until he's hot. His 35% doesn't give him the license to chuck from that far.
 
Dame might not be a top 10 pg marinate on THAT for a second
 
TBpup said:
That doesn't look that great for Dame. I love what he does but he is the highest player on that list but his rank doesn't measure up to that.

PER: 2nd
TS%: 3rd
TR%: 3rd
Ast%: 3rd
Stl%: 5th
Blk%: Tied for 2nd
TO%: 3rd
OWS: 3rd
DWS: 4th
WS/48: 4th
BPM: 5th
VORP: Tied for 4th

Not 1st in any category....except salary.
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Until they come up with a PER/$ stat, who gives a crap about the paychecks? Top players all end up with a max contract at some point in their careers. The relative dollars just depend on when it's signed.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
How does he know if he's hot from 30+ feet unless he shoots from 30+ feet?
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Right?

@yuyuza1 You are smart. YOu know shooters need to keep shooting to get hot, or break out of a slump.
Cant have the cake and eat it too. :)
Seriously though, what would you prefer?
He make 3.5 of 10 or 1 of 5?
 
Orion Bailey said:
Right?

@yuyuza1 You are smart. YOu know shooters need to keep shooting to get hot, or break out of a slump.
Cant have the cake and eat it too. :)
Seriously though, what would you prefer?
He make 3.5 of 10 or 1 of 5?
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All! I would prefer he makes all of the shots he takes.
 
illmatic99 said:
Name 10 better PGs. I'd still put Dame 4-6 depending on the day.
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One could argue that he's behind the 4 in the OP, as well as Curry, Westbrook, CP3, Harden, Hill, Kyrie, Conley (when healthy), and conceivably his own teammate.

Not saying it's an argument that I'd make, but it's not completely nuts.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
One could argue that he's behind the 4 in the OP, as well as Curry, Westbrook, CP3, Harden, Hill, Conley (when healthy), and conceivably his own teammate.

Not saying it's an argument that I'd make, but it's not completely nuts.
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Just to follow up, here's the advanced stats comparison with Dame vs all 11 of the above noted PG's:

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Dame's BPM is the lowest of the bunch except Kyrie. So, yeah, it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility that he is not a top 10 PG in the NBA this season.
 
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