Point guard comparison

[Rastapopoulos]

Is he a sure fire all-star in the west? no. Is he deserving? yes of course.

Let's see:
Westbrook (better numbers AND better record)
Steph (duh)
Harden (duh)
Klay Thompson (just cuz it's the Warriors)
Chris Paul (who will probably be injured and let someone else in)
Probably not Mike Conley or George Hill, although both those teams have better records than us

Lillard's got a chance. Actually, he's probably better off in the West. The top 4 teams in the East have PGs as star players: Kyrie, Lowry, Thomas and Walker. AND Washington's better than us, and Wall's stats are incredible (WITH good defense).

 

[BonesJones]

26/12/4

The stat line of Kevin love's last year in Minnesota. Just sayin...

And? Are you saying that Lillards putting up these stats because the team has had a tough schedule and is therefore below .500?

 

[chzbrgr]

He's better than Klay but Klay plays on a better team. There's more that goes into all-star selections than just talent, so I don't use the actual all-star game as a guage for players. Instead, it's more of a level of play.

Hence the term fringe all-star its not a knock, all-star game is a fucking joke of a popularity contest anyways.

 

[Denny Crane]

George Hill has played 13 games this season. Talk about small sample size. Given his career, he's nowhere near as good as Dame - this season or ever.

No, he's not a better PG for this team.

 

[chzbrgr]

And? Are you saying that Lillards putting up these stats because the team has had a tough schedule and is therefore below .500?

Good stats bad team guys arent considered superstars

 

[BonesJones]

Let's see:
Westbrook (better numbers AND better record)
Steph (duh)
Harden (duh)
Klay Thompson (just cuz it's the Warriors)
Chris Paul (who will probably be injured and let someone else in)
Probably not Mike Conley or George Hill, although both those teams have better records than us

Lillard's got a chance. Actually, he's probably better off in the West. The top 4 teams in the East have PGs as star players: Kyrie, Lowry, Thomas and Walker.

Conley's been out and won't be back for a while.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Kind of like a burp, but with vomit involved.

The upstairs version of a shart?

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

Good stats bad team guys arent considered superstars

How conveniently you forget that we were a fucking playoff team last year where Lillard had nearly similar stats.

Did K-Love ever lead Minny to the playoffs?

If anything, his stats are lower than they should be because we've played a tough schedule.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's a sad thing right?

I gave you a like, but its not a sad thing. Its a great thing.
What happened last year?
I'd be willing to make a small type of wager that Dame comes back with a vengeance, and by the years end, he has top 4 PG stats.

Dame overworks himself. Has anyone else noticed almost anytime he is out ( this includes the offseason), he comes back and dominates. When Dame is 95% healthy or better, I think he is a top4. Problem is he tries to carry too much weight and he gets weighed down. It was showing before he got injured.
He came out and had INSANE numbers. And it is ONLY those insane numbers that are keeping him even in some sort of All Star talk.
He needs to learn how to read his own body better and know when it is good to take a night off here and there, like ALL the superstars do. If he does this and can maintain a 95% health instead of about an 80% or less that it seems he plays on alot, He is a top 4 and we probably are at .500 right now.

The more I think about it, the more I think a decent amount of our problem is Dame. It is mostly all fairly easily correctable though.

 

[illmatic99]

George Hill has played 13 games this season. Talk about small sample size. Given his career, he's nowhere near as good as Dame - this season or ever.

No, he's not a better PG for this team.

The stupidity is baffling when people are legitimately thinking George Hill is better than Dame.

We all want to win arguments and pissing contests on this forum, but seriously think about what you're saying first.

 

[H.C.]

How conveniently you forget that we were a fucking playoff team last year where Lillard had nearly similar stats.

Did K-Love ever lead Minny to the playoffs?

If anything, his stats are lower than they should be because we've played a tough schedule.

PLAYOFFS? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS?
I think the question is, did K-Love ever lead Minny to a .500 record?

 

[BonesJones]

Hence the term fringe all-star its not a knock, all-star game is a fucking joke of a popularity contest anyways.

Sorry but I just look at the level of play of the specific player and not the level of play of other players in the same conference playing the same position.

 

[chzbrgr]

How conveniently you forget that we were a fucking playoff team last year where Lillard had nearly similar stats.

Did K-Love ever lead Minny to the playoffs?

If anything, his stats are lower than they should be because we've played a tough schedule.

last year was an outlier if you take into account win totals and injuries and what not. Thats not his fault but I think youre going to have a much tougher time making the playoffs this year at 500 ball.

 

[e_blazer]

The upstairs version of a shart?

BNM

LOL! Yeah. Like that.

 

[BonesJones]

last year was an outlier if you take into account win totals and injuries and what not. Thats not his fault but I think youre going to have a much tougher time making the playoffs this year at 500 ball.

Outlier? LMAO there are injuries every year. We've had an insanely tough schedule, and will probably finish with the same record in a tighter conference with Lillard putting up better stats.

 

[Minstrel]

Probably not top 5?? Who's 4th and 5th???

Curry, Paul, Harden, Westbrook and Antetokounmpo. And before you say, again, that Harden and Antetokounmpo aren't point guards, they've clearly taken on that role this year for their teams. D'Antoni specifically said before the season began that he was going to play Harden as the point guard and he might average 15 assists. Well, he's only averaging 12. So much for D'Antoni's hyperbole!

As for Antetokounmpo, Jason Kidd said this prior to this season:

Milwaukee Bucks coach Jason Kidd said after Tuesday's practice that his young, emerging star will be the team's full-time point guard in 2016-17 after playing a variety of positions this season.

They are point guards. Their coaches specifically said they're playing them as point guards. They're fulfilling that role on offense. It doesn't matter what you think they are, or were in past seasons.

And beyond those five, I'd rate Kyrie Irving as basically equal to Lillard.

 

[chzbrgr]

I gave you a like, but its not a sad thing. Its a great thing.
What happened last year?
I'd be willing to make a small type of wager that Dame comes back with a vengeance, and by the years end, he has top 4 PG stats.

Dame overworks himself. Has anyone else noticed almost anytime he is out ( this includes the offseason), he comes back and dominates. When Dame is 95% healthy or better, I think he is a top4. Problem is he tries to carry too much weight and he gets weighed down. It was showing before he got injured.
He came out and had INSANE numbers. And it is ONLY those insane numbers that are keeping him even in some sort of All Star talk.
He needs to learn how to read his own body better and know when it is good to take a night off here and there, like ALL the superstars do. If he does this and can maintain a 95% health instead of about an 80% or less that it seems he plays on alot, He is a top 4 and we probably are at .500 right now.

The more I think about it, the more I think a decent amount of our problem is Dame. It is mostly all fairly easily correctable though.

I totally agree if lillard wasnt LEADING THE LEAGUE in minutes played he'd be MUCH more effective and would push into my top-3. but he cant sustain that type of effort together consistently in the 82 game marathon that is the nba.

 

[H.C.]

last year was an outlier if you take into account win totals and injuries and what not. Thats not his fault but I think youre going to have a much tougher time making the playoffs this year at 500 ball.

Nevermind what people want.
But you have looked at the standings recently right?
Noticed there are 7 teams in the west playing above .500 ball
The rest of them are all barely .400 and under right?

So you believe one of them other than the Blazers will make the leap to .550? - .600?

 

[chzbrgr]

Outlier? LMAO there are injuries every year. We've had an insanely tough schedule, and will probably finish with the same record in a tighter conference with Lillard putting up better stats.

and Im telling you that the same record as last year puts us in the lotto so... hoooray!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Winning cures all this babble in the end. Damian Lillard is a perfect franchise leader...bitch, bitch, bitch....he's the brightest spot on the team this season. Enjoy what he brings night in and night out.

...just not on defense.

(Couldn't resist. Fact is, I love it when it's Lillard Time as much as anyone. But we have been shockingly bad this year. We LEAD THE LEAGUE in minutes spent with the other team leading by 20 or more. Not much Lillard Time in those situations. Hard to enjoy anything except maybe scrubs getting a chance to play. Hoping that he comes back with a vengeance, but right now it hurts his case that we have been more competitive without him. In fact, Aminu has been more of a factor in terms of his absence or presence affecting the team performance than Lillard. (Ooh, that'll get me some grief.))

 

[Denny Crane]

DRose MVP
25pPG, 7.7APG, 4RPG, 1SPG, 23.5 PER

Dame
27PPG, 6.2APG, 4.5RPG, .9SPG, 24.5PER

 

[chzbrgr]

Nevermind what people want.
But you have looked at the standings recently right?
Noticed there are 7 teams in the west playing above .500 ball
The rest of them are all barely .400 and under right?

So you believe one of them other than the Blazers will make the leap to .550? - .600?

I havent looked but I was making a more historical argument from seasons past. you usually needed 44-46 wins to get in right?

 

[BonesJones]

and Im telling you that the same record as last year puts us in the lotto so... hoooray!

Yeah, Sacramento being at 8th right now and 6 games under .500 surely means that is finishing 6 games over .500 means we won't get the 8th seed......

 

[BonesJones]

I havent looked but I was making a more historical argument from seasons past. you usually needed 44-46 wins to get in right?

3 years ago but this is 2017.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The stupidity is baffling when people are legitimately thinking George Hill is better than Dame.

What do you mean "is" better? Context is everything, and Hill has helped his team do better than Lillard has helped his. Would I bet on Lillard in a HORSE contest? Of course.

 

[BonesJones]

What do you mean "is" better? Context is everything, and Hill has helped his team do better than Lillard has helped his.

Hill has helped his team to exactly 2 wins against above-.500 teams.

 

[riverman]

...just not on defense.

(Couldn't resist. Fact is, I love it when it's Lillard Time as much as anyone. But we have been shockingly bad this year. We LEAD THE LEAGUE in minutes spent with the other team leading by 20 or more. Not much Lillard Time in those situations. Hard to enjoy anything except maybe scrubs getting a chance to play.)

Lillard is the guy the best defenders in the league double up on night in and night out...and still goes out and gives you 30 pts and 6 assists...he gets tired without help but good news is....the role players are playing better now

 

[chzbrgr]

Yeah, Sacramento being at 8th right now and 6 games under .500 surely means that is finishing 6 games over .500 means we won't get the 8th seed......

we werent 6 games over 500 last year and most likely will not be this year.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Conley's been out and won't be back for a while.

Check again.

 

[BonesJones]

What do you mean "is" better? Context is everything, and Hill has helped his team do better than Lillard has helped his. Would I bet on Lillard in a HORSE contest? Of course.

By this logic you could be making the argument of Beverly over Lillard.