Trade Idea Post and Discuss Trade Ideas for the 2019-20 Season (1 Viewer)

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Well the difference is that we had a starting SF spot open and Hood knew he would get plenty of minutes. If Nurk is healthy it's a little different situation for Whiteside. Kanter didn't take the Hood deal and ended up getting less from Boston. I would love for you to be right about Whiteside but I think he thinks of himself as a star, much like Kanter did so I'm not sure if he'd have the same mindset Hood did even if it is the best fit for him.

I really dont know what to make of Whiteside in terms of what he thinks about himself.

 

[blazerkor]

I really like the idea of Whiteside and a top 20 protected 2o2o first rounder, for Love. We could start Love as a small ball 5 until Nurk is all the way back and then have a starting lineup of Dame, CJ, Melo, Love and Nurk. I don't think that lineup would be too terrible defensively and it would be great offensively. The first rounder would be lottery protected if it fell to 2021 and would be unprotected if it somehow got to 2022.

 

[BonesJones]

I really like the idea of Whiteside and a top 20 protected 2o2o first rounder, for Love. We could start Love as a small ball 5 until Nurk is all the way back and then have a starting lineup of Dame, CJ, Melo, Love and Nurk. I don't think that lineup would be too terrible defensively and it would be great offensively. The first rounder would be lottery protected if it fell to 2021 and would be unprotected if it somehow got to 2022.

It could revert to a 2022 2nd instead

 

[Scalma]

Lottery pick > Kevin Loves bullshit contract.

 

[GDiama]

I really like the idea of Whiteside and a top 20 protected 2o2o first rounder, for Love. We could start Love as a small ball 5 until Nurk is all the way back and then have a starting lineup of Dame, CJ, Melo, Love and Nurk. I don't think that lineup would be too terrible defensively and it would be great offensively. The first rounder would be lottery protected if it fell to 2021 and would be unprotected if it somehow got to 2022.

I see 4 bad-average defenders and one elite one that comes back from a broken leg and probably will have minutes restriction and not play back to backs etc. Of course it will be a great offensive lineup but I think it will get destroyed during playoffs.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I think the market for Centers is down enough the Blazers could maybe keep WS going forward and I would think a Nurk / WS combo would be one of the best tandems at C in the NBA.

I don't think that Whiteside is so in love with Portland and it's players that he would accept a backup role. He will go somewhere that he can be a starter. Now, if there is no such place, then I guess he would consider Portland.

 

[BonesJones]

At this point, we have to make a major upgrade, or hold onto the pick. Love doesnt make this team better right now.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Just keep the pick, blow this shit up and get as much capital as we can for the offseason.

 

[blazerkor]

At this point, we have to make a major upgrade, or hold onto the pick. Love doesnt make this team better right now.

See I think Love does make us better right now as a small ball 5 who will space the floor and he really would be an upgrade at the 4 when Nurk gets back.

 

[BonesJones]

See I think Love does make us better right now as a small ball 5 who will space the floor and he really would be an upgrade at the 4 when Nurk gets back.

Cant win at a high level with a bottom 5 defense.

 

[Hobbesarable]

At this point, we have to make a major upgrade, or hold onto the pick. Love doesnt make this team better right now.

I am in favor of keeping the pick unless Olshey somehow makes a miraculous trade for a major upgrade.

 

[Cugel]

I say do nothing. Are there any obtainable players out there that will turn this season around and get them to the playoffs? One piece won't make a difference. This roster, combined with playing style, is fundamentally flawed. They have no power down low. Nurk isn't enough and we don't even know if he will be the same. The LAL flat out embarrassed them, you could see the writing on the wall after the 5th or 6th uncontested lob. Portland's response: iso 3 point bricks.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

I'd like to see trades this year that set us up for better seasons and balance in years going forward. I'd be in favor of deals for Blake Griffin or Andrew Wiggins. Yes, I'd use CJ's contract to get them. I think the experiment of having two 6' 3" guards has failed. We need more length. Trade CJ and start Hood next year at SG.
Lillard - Hood - Wiggins - Collins - Nurkic OR Lillard - Hood - Little - Griffin - Nurkic lineups.

 

[blazedanugz]

Don’t know how to embed tweets so..

According to executives around the league, the Cavaliers could expect ‘a first-round pick. Salary relief. Maybe an underachieving young player’ in a deal for Kevin Love, per @SeanDeveney

Sounds a lot like something we can manage

 

[Sarni]

Don’t know how to embed tweets so..

According to executives around the league, the Cavaliers could expect ‘a first-round pick. Salary relief. Maybe an underachieving young player’ in a deal for Kevin Love, per @SeanDeveney

Sounds a lot like something we can manage

Sounds so much like what we will do indeed. Bazemore, Little and unprotected first.

 

[blazedanugz]

Sounds so much like what we will do indeed. Bazemore, Little and unprotected first.

Not sure that’s enough salary wise but yes I agree

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Don’t know how to embed tweets so..

According to executives around the league, the Cavaliers could expect ‘a first-round pick. Salary relief. Maybe an underachieving young player’ in a deal for Kevin Love, per @SeanDeveney

Sounds a lot like something we can manage

Problem is that's what executives around the league are saying the Cavs can expect, but that may not be sufficient to meet the Cavs' requests. While they may be looking to gauge his value, they very well may hold onto him if his value doesn't rise to their expectations.

 

[blazedanugz]

Problem is that's what executives around the league are saying the Cavs can expect, but that may not be sufficient to meet the Cavs' requests. While they may be looking to gauge his value, they very well may hold onto him if his value doesn't rise to their expectations.

I agree they hold onto to him until maybe February but there is no point for them to keep him going forward. They are in complete rebuild mode

 

[GhostOfPGA]

Don’t know how to embed tweets so..

According to executives around the league, the Cavaliers could expect ‘a first-round pick. Salary relief. Maybe an underachieving young player’ in a deal for Kevin Love, per @SeanDeveney

Sounds a lot like something we can manage

The only trade I’d do for Love is this:

Whiteside, Baze, Trent, and a LOTTERY PROTECTED 1st round pick for Love and Thompson.

 

[wizenheimer]

seems like at a certain point of the season spending any future assets just to try and salvage a part of a miserable season would be foolish. I don't know if Portland is at that point yet, but they may be closing in on it

I mean, if Portland is 15-19 at the end of the year (6-4 till then), how much of the season could they actually salvage? They'd have to go 30-18 just to hit 45 wins. How likely would that be?

 

[hoopsjock]

seems like at a certain point of the season spending any future assets just to try and salvage a part of a miserable season would be foolish. I don't know if Portland is at that point yet, but they may be closing in on it

I mean, if Portland is 15-19 at the end of the year (6-4 till then), how much of the season could they actually salvage? They'd have to go 30-18 just to hit 45 wins. How likely would that be?

I don't think it's that crazy depending on the trade. They were 23-32 (and lost 3 of 4 to go to 24-35) when they got Nurk. Until Nurk got hurt they were 14-3 after that 24-35 record.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't think it's that crazy depending on the trade. They were 23-32 (and lost 3 of 4 to go to 24-35) when they got Nurk. Until Nurk got hurt they were 14-3 after that 24-35 record.

problem is that Portland is 1-9 against teams with winning records, and staring Jan 1, 13 of the next 20 games are against teams with winning records, and 7 of those 13 are on the road. I can imagine the blazers being able to dig out of a hole, but if they are 8 games underwater, for instance, with 28 games left, that's a damn deep hole. 18-10 would only get them to 41-41 (their record the season you were pointing at). Now, there's 30 games till that point in the season, so they have time to keep the hole from getting deeper....still

 

[hoopsjock]

problem is that Portland is 1-9 against teams with winning records, and staring Jan 1, 13 of the next 20 games are against teams with winning records, and 7 of those 13 are on the road. I can imagine the blazers being able to dig out of a hole, but if they are 8 games underwater, for instance, with 28 games left, that's a damn deep hole. 18-10 would only get them to 41-41 (their record the season you were pointing at). Now, there's 30 games till that point in the season, so they have time to keep the hole from getting deeper....still

Yeah, that's why games like last night hurt even more.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

The Knicks signed four PF's this past offseason and their record shows how smart that was. We can definitely use one and think a plausible trade could be made.

 

[Scalma]

Reading Quicks latest article...doesn’t look like there’s going to be any major move, and I actually think it’s the right thing to do.



“We are going to stay disciplined,” Olshey said. “That doesn’t mean we are not going to stay opportunistic, OK? But the bar for how big of an impact somebody has to make to really make an outcome-related impact is higher.”

What does “disciplined” mean, exactly?

“The discipline comes in that the starting lineup next year is Damian Lillard, CJ McCollum, Rodney Hood, Zach Collins and Jusuf Nurkic,” Olshey said. “And we are going to get there. Now, some of those guys will be back this year, and some won’t. But what we are not going to do is give away long-term assets that can help get this team to where we really want to be — and where we thought we were back in September — for some incremental upgrade today.”


In other words, the Blazers (10-15) are not going to sacrifice their long-term blueprint for a title to save this shipwrecked season.

That doesn’t mean that Olshey is punting on this season, but it’s safe to say the expectations changed sometime between Collins’ separated shoulder in the third game of the season and Hood’s ruptured Achilles last week. Throw in Pau Gasol’s retirement last month after his foot never recovered after surgery, and the Blazers are nowhere near the team they envisioned when they talked title at their team dinner.

“We are now down three starters,” Olshey said, including center Jusuf Nurkic, who is still rehabilitating from his broken leg. “We are also down our identity. Nobody understands that. We have been an elite rebounding team for the last three years. We were number one in the league in offensive rebounding last year. We take a lot of mid-range jumpers. We rely on jumpers, which is okay if we are cleaning up those points with putbacks — guys like Enes (Kanter), guys like Nurk — real elite rebounders. Hassan (Whiteside) is doing his part, but having only one interior presence to rebound and protect the rim at the level we are accustomed to wasn’t the plan.”

Olshey thought they had enough rebounders — it’s why the team committed to starting the 7-foot Collins at power forward alongside Whiteside — and why they signed Gasol to come off the bench while Nurkic set sights on a midseason return. When Collins and then Gasol went down, Olshey brought in Carmelo Anthony to bolster the frontline.

“But now suddenly we are playing a completely different brand of basketball that we chose to play, and honestly, it was going OK,” Olshey said. “With Melo, we had the sixth-ranked offense and the 20th-ranked defense, which equates to a 47-, 48-win team. Then, Rodney goes down. So the problem now is we are asking everybody, for the most part, to be something they are not. We are asking backups to be starters. We are asking third-string guys to be backups. Guys who were supposed to be in the G League this year developing are trying to play rotation minutes.”


The Blazers do have some tools to make a quick fix. They have two large expiring contracts in Whiteside ($27 million) and Kent Bazemore ($17 million), but dangling those contracts as potential cap space isn’t as enticing to teams in non-destination markets, especially with an unremarkable free-agent class on the horizon.

And while the Blazers have, and will continue to be linked to big-name targets like Kevin Love, Danilo Gallinari, LaMarcus Aldridge and Blake Griffin, remember those players will likely have to include more than an expiring contract and a draft pick. And the sense in talking to Olshey is that Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic are untouchable in trades, and teams would have to make a very aggressive offer for the Blazers to consider moving promising youngsters Anfernee Simons and Collins.

“Yeah, there’s guys on the market,” Olshey said. “But we are not taking one step forward and two steps back.”

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

To Portland: Bertans

To Washington: 2020 First

 

[illmatic99]

Neil pretty much verbatim echoed what Zach Lowe surmised in his recent podcast about our trade plans.

I'm aligned with this as well. Don't jeapordize our long term plans just to salvage this season. We are much more primed to do something next year anyway both because of cap flexibility and development from our youngins.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yup, still doesn't work.

 

[twobullz]

How about Whiteside and a 2nd for Marcus Morris and Taj Gibson? Not a big fan of Morris, but he Sure would help our second unit.

 

[B-Roy]

Trading Whiteside for someone else just opens up another host of issues if Nurk isn't healthy AND good. By my money he's been the second best player this season as well as the second most consistently positive player on both ends.