Trade Idea Realistic trade options for summer of 2023

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inconceivable said:
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Brown is now eligible for a contract extension worth five years and $295 million

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Siakam will only be eligible for a max contract extension of four years, roughly $192.2

I believe this is the most their current teams can offer them. And due to bird rights, other teams can't offer as much.

Of course any player can choose to take less $$ to move to another team. And we don't know if their current team will offer them the max $ they are eligible for.

The point I wanna make is Brown just got more expensive. Maybe he is the better player, but Siakam may have better talent per dollar value
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Good point. However, it still comes down to Brown and what he tells Boston. If he wants out...... then the max extension is a moot point because no one else can give it to him. If he tells Boston he is not re-signing with them, then Boston will just trade him for a package that is best for the Celtics. I would think that a team in the west would make more sense for them. Let's say for a moment that the team is Portland, how much more could we offer him (since we would have his Bird Rights) than everyone else?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I have as well, but then I wonder if that assumption is necessarily valid. I mean, if we can somehow reset our timeline to include multiple all-star players in their mid-twenties without sacrificing any of the lottery talent we already have, it seems like that could be a realistic shot at contention sooner rather than later. Let's say we get #2 and plan to draft Scoot, then arrange to deal Dame/Ant for Brown/KAT. How long would it take for a Scoot/Sharpe/Brown/Grant/KAT core to develop into something formidable?
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Forever
 
tykendo said:
Simon's is not a PG. If Dame's gone, why would the Blazers re-sign Grant who's 28. Brown ain't gonna want to come to Portland without Dame here. Just silly.
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Seriously though, Simons plays his best ball at point guard. Is he a true point guard? No. He's not as good as Dame.

Grant is going to stay where the money is. But if he wants a boatload of cash, I'd let him walk.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Wouldn’t it be better for our future if we had both Wemby and Sharpe than a year or two with Wemby and Dame
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If the Blazers get to draft Wemby, you get all three. Wemby and Sharpe , for the now, and the future. It's not an either or. Has Dame told you he doesn't want to play with Wemby?
 
tykendo said:
I don't see Brown wanting to go to team full of infant's. Jalen Green already think's he's the cats meow. He's not. And we all know what players think of The owner Fertitties.
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Ime is there now. Green along with good high draft picks would go too
 
Natebishop3 said:
Seriously though, Simons plays his best ball at point guard. Is he a true point guard? No. He's not as good as Dame.

Grant is going to stay where the money is. But if he wants a boatload of cash, I'd let him walk.
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Simon's plays his best ball as a shooter, like a Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford. He's not a facilitator with good vision.
 
tykendo said:
If the Blazers get to draft Wemby, you get all three. Wemby and Sharpe , for the now, and the future. It's not an either or. Has Dame told you he doesn't want to play with Wemby?
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No. He told a national audience that he didn’t want anymore 19 year olds. Maybe Wemby is different?
 
tykendo said:
If the Blazers get to draft Wemby, you get all three. Wemby and Sharpe , for the now, and the future. It's not an either or. Has Dame told you he doesn't want to play with Wemby?
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You can keep Wemby and satisfy Dame as well. Trade + picks for J. Brown or Siakam.
 
tykendo said:
Simon's plays his best ball as a shooter, like a Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford. He's not a facilitator with good vision.
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To be clear, I don't want to keep him. I'm just saying that you COULD play Simons/Sharpe together.

I think in my first scenario I was saying if you got the second pick, you draft Scoot, trade Dame for Brown and then send out Simons/Nurk for something useful.
 
Natebishop3 said:
To be clear, I don't want to keep him. I'm just saying that you COULD play Simons/Sharpe together.

I think in my first scenario I was saying if you got the second pick, you draft Scoot, trade Dame for Brown and then send out Simons/Nurk for something useful.
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Scoot looks like a Donovan Mitchell Light to me. G-League is a fine development League. I just don't see Scoot looking like an all world talent. I remember seeing people talk about how good Davion Mitchell was. They even gave him a nickname "day off". But in the NBA , "Day Off" has been the great guards in the NBA torching his butt like it's a day off.
 
tykendo said:
Scoot looks like a Donovan Mitchell Light to me. G-League is a fine development League. I just don't see Scoot looking like an all world talent. I remember seeing people talk about how good Davion Mitchell was. They even gave him a nickname "day off". But in the NBA , "Day Off" has been the great guards in the NBA torching his butt like it's a day off.
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lol Tyk his nickname is "Off Night" because supposedly players would have an "Off Night" when they played him. Not "Day off" :lol:
 
Natebishop3 said:
To be clear, I don't want to keep him. I'm just saying that you COULD play Simons/Sharpe together.

I think in my first scenario I was saying if you got the second pick, you draft Scoot, trade Dame for Brown and then send out Simons/Nurk for something useful.
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I actually think Ant would be great as a 6th man with the confidence to shoot the rock as soon as he gets in. Next to a PG though. But his salary/talent is important to be able to get a upgrade at the wing position.
 
Natebishop3 said:
To be clear, I don't want to keep him. I'm just saying that you COULD play Simons/Sharpe together.

I think in my first scenario I was saying if you got the second pick, you draft Scoot, trade Dame for Brown and then send out Simons/Nurk for something useful.
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people keep assuming that Boston would trade Brown for Dame. Why?

the Celtics already have Smart, Brogdon, & White to play PG. And they are all considerably bigger than Dame; and are all signed to long term deals

furthermore, even if Boston was willing, I don't think there's a chance that Portland trades Dame for Brown without Brown agreeing to an extend-and-trade and I don't think there's a chance that Brown agrees to that if Dame isn't in Portland. He very well might not agree in any case

AFAIC, Dame for Brown is just not realistic. Too many moving parts that all have to fall in place. It's a pipe-dream trade to justify talking about moving Dame. After all that's happened if the Blazers suddenly start shopping Dame they are not going to get offers like Brown...IMO
 
wizenheimer said:
people keep assuming that Boston would trade Brown for Dame. Why?

the Celtics already have Smart, Brogdon, & White to play PG. And they are all considerably bigger than Dame; and are all signed to long term deals

furthermore, even if Boston was willing, I don't think there's a chance that Portland trades Dame for Brown without Brown agreeing to an extend-and-trade and I don't think there's a chance that Brown agrees to that if Dame isn't in Portland. He very well might not agree in any case

AFAIC, Dame for Brown is just not realistic. Too many moving parts that all have to fall in place. It's a pipe-dream trade to justify talking about moving Dame. After all that's happened if the Blazers suddenly start shopping Dame they are not going to get offers like Brown...IMO
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Exactly! The Blazers would get a myriad of end of the 1st round draft picks ( do the fact he would be going to a good to very good team, who would get a lot better with him aboard), and crappy over paid so-so talent in return to make it work under the cap. It's utter nonsense.
 
wizenheimer said:
people keep assuming that Boston would trade Brown for Dame. Why?

the Celtics already have Smart, Brogdon, & White to play PG. And they are all considerably bigger than Dame; and are all signed to long term deals

furthermore, even if Boston was willing, I don't think there's a chance that Portland trades Dame for Brown without Brown agreeing to an extend-and-trade and I don't think there's a chance that Brown agrees to that if Dame isn't in Portland. He very well might not agree in any case

AFAIC, Dame for Brown is just not realistic. Too many moving parts that all have to fall in place. It's a pipe-dream trade to justify talking about moving Dame. After all that's happened if the Blazers suddenly start shopping Dame they are not going to get offers like Brown...IMO
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I agree with you on everything except for the "why". Yes, they are all bigger than Dame but how is that working out? If they lose this next game to Philly changes will be made and every Celtc fan I know...blame the PGs. Sure we would be happy to be in their position, but they are not. They are fed up with Smart in particular. Yes, those guys are locked up in long-term deals, but they can always trade them.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree with you on everything except for the "why". Yes, they are all bigger than Dame but how is that working out?
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well, it's certainly working out better for them than anything Portland has done. In the last 4 seasons, Boston has won 32 playoff games with their PG situation; Blazers have won 3 games

Pinwheel1 said:
If they lose this next game to Philly changes will be made and every Celtc fan I know...blame the PGs. Sure we would be happy to be in their position, but they are not. They are fed up with Smart in particular. Yes, those guys are locked up in long-term deals, but they can always trade them.
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so then, do the math...the Celtics trade Brown + Smart + Brogdon for Dame and some role players. Are they better?
 
wizenheimer said:
kind of surprising then that teams that have traded their franchise players in the past haven't turned around and been contending in 2-3 years, if this kind of template was actually available
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Yeah, I think Platypus premise is flawed; teams can't trade away a franchise player and receive back multiple quality allstars. Thats just not realstic with Dame, and thats why we don't see this type of scenario ever happen.

We have seen star for star trades, but those are actually pretty rare too. Usually its star for youth and pieces. Thats both because the team trading away the star primarily does it to pivot and rebuild, but also because the acquiring team only wants to add the star to their best win now veterans.

So the Blazers receiving "multiple all-star players in their mid-twenties without sacrificing any of the lottery talent we already have" isn't something I can ever recall another franchise pulling off. I highly doubt there is a realistic path for the Blazers to do so.
 
wizenheimer said:
people keep assuming that Boston would trade Brown for Dame. Why?

the Celtics already have Smart, Brogdon, & White to play PG. And they are all considerably bigger than Dame; and are all signed to long term deals

furthermore, even if Boston was willing, I don't think there's a chance that Portland trades Dame for Brown without Brown agreeing to an extend-and-trade and I don't think there's a chance that Brown agrees to that if Dame isn't in Portland. He very well might not agree in any case

AFAIC, Dame for Brown is just not realistic. Too many moving parts that all have to fall in place. It's a pipe-dream trade to justify talking about moving Dame. After all that's happened if the Blazers suddenly start shopping Dame they are not going to get offers like Brown...IMO
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I could certainly see Boston willing to do a Dame for Brown swap. Especially if Brown gives them an indication he will not stay. Agree with other posters - Boston is not going to look at Smart as the successful best answer leading them at PG any more than we looked at Aminu as the answer at forward while he was a starer on our WCF team. Teams want to get to the title, and Dame is a legit 1st/2nd option to do that.

I don't think a Brown Dame swap would ever happen from the Blazers end straight up for the reasons you list. Although maybe it could be part of a 3 way deal if the Blazers and Dame decided to part ways.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why would they trade all those guys for Dame?
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I wouldn't be shocked if Brown had a bit more value than Dame throughout the league. In which case the Celtics would get Dame plus an asset, if both teams agreed on a mutually fair trade.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I wouldn't be shocked if Brown had a bit more value than Dame throughout the league. In which case the Celtics would get Dame plus an asset, if both teams agreed on a mutually fair trade.
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Dame is way more clutch, and a great leader. You really can't put a price on that. I think Boston lacks leadership on the court. Brown's very good. He ain't Dame. With Dame i think he'd be better. I'm not as big on Tatum. He's a healthier Paul George. But like George, he doesn't show the leadership needed.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why would they trade all those guys for Dame?
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sorry...I was responding to a post that said Boston wanted to trade Smart and maybe another PG like Brogdon....which they would likely do if they traded for Dame. It would be to other teams, not for Dame. That's where the 'role-players' would come from
 
wizenheimer said:
well, it's certainly working out better for them than anything Portland has done. In the last 4 seasons, Boston has won 32 playoff games with their PG situation; Blazers have won 3 games
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Boston has a much better team than Portland. They arguably have the most depth in the NBA. They and Milwaukee had the best records in the NBA. But something is missing and it is not Brown, Tatum, or Horford. (or the 6th man of the year Brogdon) It seems to me to be the PG.
I don't trade Brown for Dame unless he wants out, but again....you asked why would Boston do it.....they do it if Brown does want out.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't trade Brown for Dame unless he wants out, but again....you asked why would Boston do it.....they do it if Brown does want out.
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you forgot to add "and assuming they don't get better offers"
 
wizenheimer said:
you forgot to add "and assuming they don't get better offers"
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That is always the case. Although it doesn't make any difference because Portland would not do the trade knowing that Brown has all the leverage. If he is not re-signing with Boston why would he re-sign on a Dameless Blazer team? However, would there be a better offer? Trae Young certainly is not.
 
Natebishop3 said:
lol Tyk his nickname is "Off Night" because supposedly players would have an "Off Night" when they played him. Not "Day off" :lol:
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Actually, I think they call him Knight & Day because he watched the movie and then went out and had a very average game. True story
 
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