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Wizard Mentor said:
Scoot can do what almost no other pg's can do.
Scoot can't do what almost all other pg's can do.

It's a lot easier for Scoot to learn what all other pg's can do than it is for all other pg's to learn what Scoot can do.

That why there's a lot of reason of optimism, especially since Scoot is still very, very young.

p.s. I don't really understand why gym rats like Scoot and Bronny aren't great shooters. What the hell are they doing in all of those hours in the gym if not shooting? (Scoot's family bought and operate their own basketball gym, and Bronny was raised in a house that had a full basketball gym in it!)
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It's mental and confidence to do it in game and in the flow of the game. Scoot IQ as a PG is still green and he is 20, picking his shots and knowing when to be aggressive and when to pull it back. Plus, he is coming off the bench, so he doesn't have full reign to play through it, as a few missed shots here and there and he could get pulled.

It's never, put up tons of shots in the gym and you're a great shooter. Once again I really question if most of you have even played basketball in a competitive setting before or even touched a basketball.

Dame is a workaholic and a gym rat, but yet in Dame's first 4 seasons, he only shot only 42.5% FG, which is not good at all. It take lots of time of IN GAME reps and doing it in the flow of the game, and just the mental confidence that comes with it over time.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It will be interesting to see Scoot game after game.

The ups and downs will make for great comments.

He absolutely needs to be at least average on defense.

He needs to be able to keep the defense honest by being able to shoot 33% or better from 3
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After 2 games, Scoot is kicking ass.

18.5 ppg on 51.9% shooting in 28.0 mpg. He's also got 5.0 apg on 2.5 TOpg. He's also averaging 2.0 rpg, and shooting 80% from the line.
The only real chink in his armor: shoot 12.5% from 3 on 4.0 attempts/game.

But yes, the high variance can be difficult.

Is his defense worse than Damian Lillard, who is nowhere near "average defender" status?
 
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Wizard Mentor said:
After 2 games, Scoot is kicking ass.

18.5 ppg on 51.9% shooting in 28.0 mpg. He's also got 5.0 apg on 2.5 TOpg. He's also averaging 2.0 rpg, and shooting 80% from the line.
The only real chink in his armor: shoot 12.5% from 3 on 4.0 attempts/game.

But yes, the high variance can be difficult.

Is his defense worse than Damian Lillard, who is nowhere near "average defender" status.
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His defense is rough. Worse than Lillards is a tough call. Scoots averages look fine, but the offense stops when he has the ball. That has to improve. Might not be all on him, but still. And yes, I don’t need him to be Steph Curry, but get that % up to 33% and he and our offense would look way better
 
Cugel said:
I honestly believe if Scoot was coached by, say Steve Kerr, he would be demonstrably better.
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I really like Kerr and think he's arguably the best coach in the game. However it's not like he's got a stellar record of rapidly developing young talent. The young guys he's had the most immediate success with went to college 4 years and arrived knowing how to play. Scoot is just 20 and is clearly progressing/figuring things out. I do like how he's trending and have to give some credit to the coaches for that. It often takes young guys a while for it to click... heck it wasn't until 5 years in that Chauncey himself started looking like the HOFer he became.

STOMP
 
sheed30 said:
It's mental and confidence to do it in game and in the flow of the game. Scoot IQ as a PG is still green and he is 20, picking his shots and knowing when to be aggressive and when to pull it back. Plus, he is coming off the bench, so he doesn't have full reign to play through it, as a few missed shots here and there and he could get pulled.

It's never, put up tons of shots in the gym and you're a great shooter. Once again I really question if most of you have even played basketball in a competitive setting before or even touched a basketball.

Dame is a workaholic and a gym rat, but yet in Dame's first 4 seasons, he only shot only 42.5% FG, which is not good at all. It take lots of time of IN GAME reps and doing it in the flow of the game, and just the mental confidence that comes with it over time.
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Yeah, since nobody has made those claims it's not surprising it doesn't make sense... But if you like to argue against yourself you can always make up a bunch of bullshit to argue against.
 
Mediocre Man said:
His defense is rough. Worse than Lillards is a tough call. Scoots averages look fine, but the offense stops when he has the ball. That has to improve. Might not be all on him, but still. And yes, I don’t need him to be Steph Curry, but get that % up to 33% and he and our offense would look way better
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Agreed on all accounts, except for the word "fine". "Excellent" is more accurate.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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Dame came into the league and one of his focus points to improve was his finishing, and that’s still a tough shot for him to make.

IDK how people can see flashes like that and still be acting like the end is nigh.

Dudes young and the future of him and Sharpe is very promising. I still maintain that as unfortunate as it is to regress like we have, it’s very fortunate that we have these talented young guys which should be able to compete in the coming years. If we make good use of our picks we are looking great down the road.
 
I hope Scoot develops into a non-shoot first PG. I'm getting tired of that act. I'd like to see him become more of a Rod Strickland type PG.
 
beast blazer said:
I hope Scoot develops into a non-shoot first PG. I'm getting tired of that act. I'd like to see him become more of a Rod Strickland type PG.
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scoot is far from a shoot first pg. he’s simply shooting to go through the motions to improve that facet and shut all you guys up finally
 
Foxx said:
scoot is far from a shoot first pg. he’s simply shooting to go through the motions to improve that facet and shut all you guys up finally
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He attempts shots at the same rate as Anfernee Simons.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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THAT is what should be his strength. HOWEVER (a) it requires playing at a breakneck pace or being lucky in transition, and (b) his finishing AND his handle are currently weak, making instances like that rarer than we'd like.
 
beast blazer said:
He attempts shots at the same rate as Anfernee Simons.
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a statistical comparison after only 2 games is meaningless....but that won't stop me:

PER: Ant 8.8....Scoot 18.6
TS%: Ant .511....Scoot .589
RebRate: Ant 2.2%....Scoot 4.5%
AstRate: Ant 24.1%....Scoot 35.0%
TrnRate: Ant 19.1%....Scoot 13.7%
winshare/48: Ant -.080....Scoot +.077
OBPM: Ant -2.7....Scoot +1.2
DBPM: Ant -4.6....Scoot -1.3
BPM: Ant -7.3....Scoot -0.1

wrong guy starting?
 
Foxx said:
scoot is far from a shoot first pg. he’s simply shooting to go through the motions to improve that facet and shut all you guys up finally
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I think we agree, but there is an important distinction.

It sounds crazy, but I want Scoot to be a shoot-first PG, just not an outside shoot-first, but an inside shoot-first. Way too often, I've seen Scoot get into the paint and the defense knew he
we going to pass, which all too often turned into a turnover. Scoot's recent success has occurred because he's now choosing drive-and-score. When the defense commits, then he
has the option of drive-and-dish.

While I can't stand Russell Westbrook, I think Scoot can become RW without the ego. That's is drive into the lane. If the defense stops him, dish. Otherwise, score the ball. RW routinely
racked up double digit assists using this method. Scoot can too.

Of course, I don't think Scoot should be a shoot-from-3-first PG, nobody does.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I think we agree, but there is an important distinction.

It sounds crazy, but I want Scoot to be a shoot-first PG, just not an outside shoot-first, but an inside shoot-first. Way too often, I've seen Scoot get into the paint and the defense knew he
we going to pass, which all too often turned into a turnover. Scoot's recent success has occurred because he's now choosing drive-and-score. When the defense commits, then he
has the option of drive-and-dish.

While I can't stand Russell Westbrook, I think Scoot can become RW without the ego. That's is drive into the lane. If the defense stops him, dish. Otherwise, score the ball. RW routinely
racked up double digit assists using this method. Scoot can too.

Of course, I don't think Scoot should be a shoot-from-3-first PG, nobody does.
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100%. The first option should always be score for the point guard. Always. That gets your teammates open and allows them to score easier.
 
Chauncey Billups is HOF, but looking at his numbers (as he became an efficient free throw shooter and 3 pt shooter) … and ALL the teams he played on … he’s been through what Scoot MAY have to go through.

Change of pace with the ball and finishing are extremely important for Scoot moving forward for efficiency, but becoming a set shot 3 point shooter with a high % on free throws will open up the inside work. I don’t want Scoot as a high usage, pound the rock guy. Nope. And I don’t want a Bledsoe scoring guard.

Scoot as a charismatic, high energy, team-player-PG and leader of the team … he has an IT factor for that role. Will his skills develop?
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
Chauncey Billups is HOF, but looking at his numbers (as he became an efficient free throw shooter and 3 pt shooter) … and ALL the teams he played on … he’s been through what Scoot MAY have to go through.
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Isn't it a bit worrying that Chauncey is literally the only example in the history of the NBA that is an optimistic comparison for Scoot? Doesn't that paint a pretty bleak picture of his chances (or chaunces)?
 
wizenheimer said:
a statistical comparison after only 2 games is meaningless....but that won't stop me:

PER: Ant 8.8....Scoot 18.6
TS%: Ant .511....Scoot .589
RebRate: Ant 2.2%....Scoot 4.5%
AstRate: Ant 24.1%....Scoot 35.0%
TrnRate: Ant 19.1%....Scoot 13.7%
winshare/48: Ant -.080....Scoot +.077
OBPM: Ant -2.7....Scoot +1.2
DBPM: Ant -4.6....Scoot -1.3
BPM: Ant -7.3....Scoot -0.1

wrong guy starting?
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I wasn't talking about just 2 games, I was talking about their career FGA per 36.
 
beast blazer said:
I wasn't talking about just 2 games, I was talking about their career FGA per 36.
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I know...I just went a little different direction

by the way, IMO, per 100 possessions is a better gauge and making it career numbers is deceptive because Simons had 3 low usage seasons as a late rotation player his first 3 seasons so that heavily skews his numbers

I'd think the per 100-possessions from last season is much better and more revealing gauge:

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almost 4 more FGA per/100 for Simons
 

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wizenheimer said:
I know...I just went a little different direction

by the way, IMO, per 100 possessions is a better gauge and making it career numbers is deceptive because Simons had 3 low usage seasons as a late rotation player his first 3 seasons so that heavily skews his numbers

I'd think the per 100-possessions from last season is much better and more revealing gauge:

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almost 4 more FGA per/100 for Simons
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Ok. By doing that you're stretching it out to longer than a game, because no player is on the court for 100 possessions per game, so it's a bit misleading. But even by that figure, we see he's just a touch below Jerami Grant, who calls his own number a lot.
 
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