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OneSport3 said:
Would we be better off today and for the future if Charlotte had drafted Scoot and we ended up drafting Brandon Miller?
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Impossible to know just yet. Most older rookies need a full year to adjust to the NBA. Most young rookies need two years.
There are certainly exceptions but I stand by that theory. They all tend to improve, the difference is which ones improve more. And projecting that is the tough part during the draft.
 
OneSport3 said:
Would we be better off today and for the future if Charlotte had drafted Scoot and we ended up drafting Brandon Miller?
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If the 2023 draft was done today, where would Scoot go?

My guess:
1. {1} V Wembanyama, age: 19.9
--- 18.8 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 3.2 bpg, 19.1 PER
2. {2} B Miller, age: 21.1
--- 14.7 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 38.5% 3pt, 10.8 PER
3. {5} Ausar Thompson, age: 20.9
--- 9.3 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.3 apg, 12.9 PER
4. {12} D Lively II, age: 19.9
--- 8.9 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 16.7 PER
5. {7} B Coulibaly, age: 19.4
--- 8.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 41.0% 3pt, 10.4 PER
6. {16} K George, age: 20.1
--- 10.6 ppg, 5.0 apg, 2.9 rpg, 9.6 PER
7. {19} B Podziemzki, age: 20.8
--- 8.9 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.1 apg, 14.1 PER
8. {3} S Henderson, age: 19.9
--- 11.8 ppg, 4.4 apg, 2.2 rpg, 6.3 PER
9. {18} J Jaquez, Jr., age: 22.9
--- 13.8 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 38.0% 3pt, 14.4 PER
10. {14} J Hawkins, age: 21.7
---- 10.7 ppg, 3.1 apg, 36.2% 3pt, 10.1 PER

We've now seen these players in the summer league and 1/3 of a season. It's way too early to draw conclusions, but plenty of time to remove some of that 'potential' label.

The good news is the Blazers do have a rookie listed in the NBA Rookie Ladder top 10.
 
42N8Bounce said:
If the 2023 draft was done today, where would Scoot go?

My guess:
1. {1} V Wembanyama, age: 19.9
--- 18.8 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 3.2 bpg, 19.1 PER
2. {2} B Miller, age: 21.1
--- 14.7 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 38.5% 3pt, 10.8 PER
3. {5} Ausar Thompson, age: 20.9
--- 9.3 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 2.3 apg, 12.9 PER
4. {12} D Lively II, age: 19.9
--- 8.9 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 16.7 PER
5. {7} B Coulibaly, age: 19.4
--- 8.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 41.0% 3pt, 10.4 PER
6. {16} K George, age: 20.1
--- 10.6 ppg, 5.0 apg, 2.9 rpg, 9.6 PER
7. {19} B Podziemzki, age: 20.8
--- 8.9 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.1 apg, 14.1 PER
8. {3} S Henderson, age: 19.9
--- 11.8 ppg, 4.4 apg, 2.2 rpg, 6.3 PER
9. {18} J Jaquez, Jr., age: 22.9
--- 13.8 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 38.0% 3pt, 14.4 PER
10. {14} J Hawkins, age: 21.7
---- 10.7 ppg, 3.1 apg, 36.2% 3pt, 10.1 PER

We've now seen these players in the summer league and 1/3 of a season. It's way too early to draw conclusions, but plenty of time to remove some of that 'potential' label.

The good news is the Blazers do have a rookie listed in the NBA Rookie Ladder top 10.
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Absolute crazy talk. Nobody is drafting for today. Nobody is drafting Podziemzki or Keyonte George over Amen Thompson or Scoot Henderson.
 
AmirIcon said:
Nobody is drafting Podziemzki or Keyonte George over Amen Thompson or Scoot Henderson.
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Agree 110%.

Imagine, if you will, this were a GSW board: Pod has not helped the team one iota. We fucking suck. Pod was a bust.

Then you come here and somebody wants Pod over Scoot. That is insane.
 
AmirIcon said:
Absolute crazy talk. Nobody is drafting for today. Nobody is drafting Podziemzki or Keyonte George over Amen Thompson or Scoot Henderson.
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I do. Decisions must always be reevaluated with additional data available.

I know it’s early, but with the data we have to this point, I think there were better options for the Blazers to draft at #3.

If I was given the opportunity to swap Scoot with Miller, Thompson, Lively, Coulibaly, or George, I would do it. Podziemski I would pause, but probably also make the trade.

Will Scoot eventually be a better player than those noted? Perhaps. But his outside shot, finishing at the rim, high foul rate, high turnover rate, and poor defense have me concerned.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I do. Decisions must always be reevaluated with additional data available.

I know it’s early, but with the data we have to this point, I think there were better options for the Blazers to draft at #3.

If I was given the opportunity to swap Scoot with Miller, Thompson, Lively, Coulibaly, or George, I would do it. Podziemski I would pause, but probably also make the trade.

Will Scoot eventually be a better player than those noted? Perhaps. But his outside shot, finishing at the rim, high foul rate, high turnover rate, and poor defense have me concerned.
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This is probably top 3 craziest posts I've ever read on this forum. Congrats.
 
Cugel said:
Agree 110%.

Imagine, if you will, this were a GSW board: Pod has not helped the team one iota. We fucking suck. Pod was a bust.

Then you come here and somebody wants Pod over Scoot. That is insane.
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It's like... HEY GUYS, A BUNCH OF OLDER PLAYERS FROM COLLEGE ARE OUTPLAYING THE 19 YEAR OLDS!?!?!?!

Let's go down the ladder

1. Wemby - 20 on 1/4

2. Chet - 22 in May

3. Jaquez - about to be 23 in February

4. Miller - 21

5. Ausar Thompson - 21 in January

6. Lively - 20 on 2/12

7. George - 20

8. Coulibaly - 20 in July

9. Poudzimzki - 21 in February

10. Camara - 24 in May

Scoot will be 20 in February so the only players on that list who are younger is Coulibaly and Lively by a few days. Would anyone rather have either of those guys over Scoot?
 
Natebishop3 said:
What does being a mod have to do with what he said?
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I was posing a hypothetical question to see what people thought about Scoot vs Brandon Miller now. This was more of the BPA vs position of need argument. Not even anything against Scoot personally. That shouldn’t elicit a response like his as a moderator. I guess I just have different expectations from mods.
 
OneSport3 said:
I was posing a hypothetical question to see what people thought about Scoot vs Brandon Miller now. This was more of the BPA vs position of need argument. Not even anything against Scoot personally. That shouldn’t elicit a response like his as a moderator. I guess I just have different expectations from mods.
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He didn't personally attack you, so I don't see anything wrong with what he said.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He didn't personally attack you, so I don't see anything wrong with what he said.
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Like I said, from my experience on other forums/message boards, I guess I have different expectations/decorum from mods. If you don't see anything wrong with it, you're totally entitled to that opinion. We move.
 
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I’ve been a Blazer fan for many years. I recognize my opinion is in the minority. I’m rooting for Scoot. Help me see the truth - what do you see in Scoot that gives you so much hope for him in the future?

I was skeptical of Scoot before the draft. In the G-League regular season -
- His PER was only 13.5. That's below average for the G-League.
- 3.5 turnovers and 3.3 fouls per game.
- Not only did he shoot 27.5% 3 pointers in the G-League regular season, he also only shot 46.5% for 2 pointers. That's not good efficiency.
- For being a point guard that facilitates scoring, he only had a 98 offensive rating. Combine that with a 122 defensive rating, one of the worst in the G-League.
- His G-League team only went 11-21.

Many of the red-flags we saw in his G-League performance, we now see in his NBA performance.

I honestly look forward to the day I can say I was wrong about Scoot.

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42N8Bounce said:
I’ve been a Blazer fan for many years. I recognize my opinion is in the minority. I’m rooting for Scoot. Help me see the truth - what do you see in Scoot that gives you so much hope for him in the future?

I was skeptical of Scoot before the draft. In the G-League regular season -
- His PER was only 13.5. That's below average for the G-League.
- 3.5 turnovers and 3.3 fouls per game.
- Not only did he shoot 27.5% 3 pointers in the G-League regular season, he also only shot 46.5% for 2 pointers. That's not good efficiency.
- For being a point guard that facilitates scoring, he only had a 98 offensive rating. Combine that with a 122 defensive rating, one of the worst in the G-League.
- His G-League team only went 11-21.

Many of the red-flags we saw in his G-League performance, we now see in his NBA performance.

I honestly look forward to the day I can say I was wrong about Scoot.
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If you want hope, here's what I'd tell you:
  • Almost all 19 year old PGs struggle their rookie year
  • By all accounts he has a great attitude and work ethic
  • He has the build to make a difference on both ends of the floor
 
42N8Bounce said:
I’ve been a Blazer fan for many years. I recognize my opinion is in the minority. I’m rooting for Scoot. Help me see the truth - what do you see in Scoot that gives you so much hope for him in the future?

I was skeptical of Scoot before the draft. In the G-League regular season -
- His PER was only 13.5. That's below average for the G-League.
- 3.5 turnovers and 3.3 fouls per game.
- Not only did he shoot 27.5% 3 pointers in the G-League regular season, he also only shot 46.5% for 2 pointers. That's not good efficiency.
- For being a point guard that facilitates scoring, he only had a 98 offensive rating. Combine that with a 122 defensive rating, one of the worst in the G-League.
- His G-League team only went 11-21.

Many of the red-flags we saw in his G-League performance, we now see in his NBA performance.

I honestly look forward to the day I can say I was wrong about Scoot.
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The future? Don't need to look at the future.

Scoot just had an 11 assist 1 turnover game which is extremely rare (someone had a list) for a player his age.

If we look at Scoot's scoring in his 12 games in December, the only place he needed to improve was his 2-point shooting.

He has shot 32.6% on 3-pointers which is acceptable for him at this point in his "career," and 87.5% on his free throws, which is fantastic.

Scoot is not an efficient shooter from the field, but take a look at his field goal attempts vs. points scored in December:

Shot attempts. Points scored
23_____________25
15_____________17
9_____________12
5 _____________4
9_____________9
9_____________14
10____________13
21____________23
16____________19
17____________10
9____________9
15____________17

He only had one huge stinker as a scorer which was the December 8th game against Dallas in which he took 17 shots and only got 10 points.

That is not to say that he has been an efficient scorer either in December, but he's not far below all of his teammates this month.
 
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Tince said:
If you want hope, here's what I'd tell you:
  • Almost all 19 year old PGs struggle their rookie year
  • By all accounts he has a great attitude and work ethic
  • He has the build to make a difference on both ends of the floor
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I can't find the tweet but Marang said at the start of the season that there has only been like 5 nineteen year old point guards who have averaged 15 and 5 for a season. Ever.

I know two of them were Kyrie and Trae Young. I can't remember the rest.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I can't find the tweet but Marang said at the start of the season that there has only been like 5 nineteen year old point guards who have averaged 15 and 5 for a season. Ever.

I know two of them were Kyrie and Trae Young. I can't remember the rest.
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Good to know.

He blocked me on Twitter because I suggested he reach out to his local pizza joint about the bad customer service he had vs putting them on blast via social media, as it may have been an isolated incident not worthy of negative publicity. The public blasting of companies to get free stuff seemed to becoming a tactic of his.
 
Why is it so hard to understand that 99.99% of 19 year olds are not ready to play at star level in the NBA? The naysayers are blaming Scoot for not being a 19 y/oROTY point-guard candidate on a tanking, very young team, with a coach that doesn't exactly have a track record of developing guys. What would he have looked like if he were playing for GSW, for example? Clearly his shooting needs work. No argument there. Many many players have not had great rookie seasons.

We get it, Scoot is not good enough for you. I suggest putting it in your signature for the rest of his career.
 
Tince said:
Good to know.

He blocked me on Twitter because I suggested he reach out to his local pizza joint about the bad customer service he had vs putting them on blast via social media, as it may have been an isolated incident not worthy of negative publicity. The public blasting of companies to get free stuff seemed to becoming a tactic of his.
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Yeah wasn’t there an instance with door dash and delivering to the station where he publicly blasted some female door dash driver?

I mean I’m torn on Marang. He seems harmless, acts like he’s in the know, and I want to like him.

But he bugs the shit out of me. If he says ‘Tangential’ one more time I’m going to lose it.

His co-host makes fun of him constantly. It’s funny
 
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