Should we keep or trade Henderson?

[Natebishop3]

Your delusional if you don't think he will get an offer of $12M+

You think Hendo is getting an offer of $12m+?

I doubt that. He's not a three point shooter and the NBA isn't valuing slashers like they once did. I'll say $8-$10million tops.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Blazers aren't contending until the team moves to the eastern conference or Steph Curry retires, so that's kind of out the window.

Really? Steph Curry is MJ, Magic and Shaq all rolled into one now?

 

[B-Roy]

Henderson is our best perimeter defender. I take him over Aminu. That said, he's likely gone after this season and I'm not too big of a fan of the number of pull up midrange shots he takes. Trade him if possible, but wouldn't mind finishing out this season with him on the roster as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

Steph Curry ain't no Iron Man, and that team ain't shit without Steph Curry.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

To be respectful to the players, who are still trying to win every game.

Where is the value to the team of "being respectful" to a role player on an expiring contract who has been part of the team for less than a season and was really only acquired as a salary-filling throw-in? Do you think that keeping Gerald all year will somehow make us a more attractive free agent destination?

Or are you suggesting that the players will believe that management is sabotaging their season and chances of winning by dealing away the 9th man on the roster?

 

[illmatic99]

Henderson is our best perimeter defender. I take him over Aminu. That said, he's likely gone after this season and I'm not too big of a fan of the number of pull up midrange shots he takes. Trade him if possible, but wouldn't mind finishing out this season with him on the roster as well.

Crabbe?

 

[B-Roy]

Crabbe?

Crabbe fouls too much.

From what I can see (and this applies to both Crabbe and Aminu, although Aminu is overall a better defender), there is a lot of activity when you're watching Crabbe. What I mean is that he's constantly moving, moving his hands, moving his feet etc. It makes you believe their good defenders because there's constant effort. I don't see it leading to results all the time. Henderson just plays solid, straight up defense, no ifs ands or buts. Sometimes he'll come up with a nice highlight block but for the most part he's just damn effective, no wasted motions. He just "knows" how to defend, if you get what I mean.

I'd say Crabbe is solid, but he's got a ways to go.

 

[illmatic99]

These assistants chart tips and deflections. I would venture that Crabbe gets more of those on our team than anyone else. And that's because he moves his hands as you say and is perpetually active.

Henderson, until recently, has looked lost on defense. I disagree with the notion that he's our best perimeter defender. He moves his feet-- I give him that, but not much else. Aminu is sorta in the same boat for me.

 

[riverman]

Crabbe fouls too much.

From what I can see (and this applies to both Crabbe and Aminu, although Aminu is overall a better defender), there is a lot of activity when you're watching Crabbe. What I mean is that he's constantly moving, moving his hands, moving his feet etc. It makes you believe their good defenders because there's constant effort. I don't see it leading to results all the time. Henderson just plays solid, straight up defense, no ifs ands or buts. Sometimes he'll come up with a nice highlight block but for the most part he's just damn effective, no wasted motions. He just "knows" how to defend, if you get what I mean.

I'd say Crabbe is solid, but he's got a ways to go.

I don't remember Crabbe ever fouling out of a game..you get in a guys grill and play solid D, you're going to collect a few fouls.

 

[illmatic99]

I'd honestly trade him for as little as a future pick and give our projects more court time.

Yup, future lotto protected first rounder, or unprotected second rounder. I don't see his value, tbh. He has played well as of late against shitty teams, but would rather those mins go to Harkless (to at least see if he's worth keeping past the summer).

 

[Natebishop3]

This is why I want to trade CJ. If we can net a comparable star player by trading McCollum, I think we can start Crabbe and bring Hendo off the bench next season.

The Pacers are dropping like a rock. They're in 8th in the east, they're hovering around .500, and they've lost 7 of their last 10 games. Now is the time to strike. Offer up CJ/Meyers/Plumlee for Paul George. In the summer make a push for someone like Horford, re-sign Hendo and Crabbe, and maybe Mario Chalmers as our backup Greg Anthony.

Dame/Chalmers
Crabbe/Hendo
George/Aminu
Vonleh/???
Horford/Davis

 

[B-Roy]

I don't remember Crabbe ever fouling out of a game..you get in a guys grill and play solid D, you're going to collect a few fouls.

Good, straight up perimeter defense involves forcing tough shots. Fouling defeats the entire purpose of playing good defense. Crabbe averages 3.6 fouls per 36 minutes, which is only behind the 4 rotation bigs and Tim Frazier (lol). As a guard, he really shouldn't be fouling that much. By comparison, Gerald only averages 1.7 fouls per 36 minutes.

 

[B-Roy]

These assistants chart tips and deflections. I would venture that Crabbe gets more of those on our team than anyone else. And that's because he moves his hands as you say and is perpetually active.

Henderson, until recently, has looked lost on defense. I disagree with the notion that he's our best perimeter defender. He moves his feet-- I give him that, but not much else. Aminu is sorta in the same boat for me.

I'm really not seeing how you came to the conclusion that Henderson looked lost on defense, but it could be that his minutes were kind of sporadic until Stotts took Harkless out of the rotation.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Where is the value to the team of "being respectful" to a role player on an expiring contract who has been part of the team for less than a season and was really only acquired as a salary-filling throw-in?

I was talking about the whole team, not specifically Gerald. I think they'd be dissapointed if any rotation player was traded for anything that wouldn't help them this season.

Do you think that keeping Gerald all year will somehow make us a more attractive free agent destination?

No. This one is silly man

Or are you suggesting that the players will believe that management is sabotaging their season and chances of winning by dealing away the 9th man on the roster?

More this one.

As long as the team is in the playoff picture, I prefer not to weaken the team at all for this season. Gerald has been playing well as of late, and dumping him for a single 2nd rounder wouldn't be worth it imho. If Olshea is offered a 1st or 2 or 3 2 second rounder you'd have to do that, but I don't expect an offer that good for him.

 

[riverman]

Good, straight up perimeter defense involves forcing tough shots. Fouling defeats the entire purpose of playing good defense. Crabbe averages 3.6 fouls per 36 minutes, which is only behind the 4 rotation bigs and Tim Frazier (lol). As a guard, he really shouldn't be fouling that much. By comparison, Gerald only averages 1.7 fouls per 36 minutes.

But Crabbe creates turnovers, gets steals and alters shots...I don't see him as a huge fouling machine and some of his foul stats are intentional..he takes those Deandre Jordan quick fouls instead of Dame or CJ....very unselfish of him

 

[PtldPlatypus]

As long as the team is in the playoff picture, I prefer not to weaken the team at all for this season. Gerald has been playing well as of late, and dumping him for a single 2nd rounder wouldn't be worth it imho. If Olshea is offered a 1st or 2 or 3 2 second rounder you'd have to do that, but I don't expect an offer that good for him.

That's pointless, short-term thinking, with logic with which I completely disagree. If Gerald goes, then Moe gets his minutes, and will likely be comparably effective.

Honestly, I don't see how keeping Gerald even benefits the team in the short-term, let alone in the long-term.

 

[HailBlazers]

That's pointless, short-term thinking, with logic with which I completely disagree. If Gerald goes, then Moe gets his minutes, and will likely be comparably effective.

Honestly, I don't see how keeping Gerald even benefits the team in the short-term, let alone in the long-term.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[BBert]

RE the message trading Gerald would send: Depends first on the actual trade, whether it makes us better or worse in the short term.

But if I were Olshey The Slick, I'd tell the remaining guys that trading Gerald shows how much confidence we have in the guys we DIDN'T trade to step in and step up, and it shows we want them as part of our future.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

That's up to you. The advanced stats agree with me.

 

[Natebishop3]

Keeping Hendo means that we are wasting an asset, because I see almost zero chance he re-signs here this summer. It's going to be an Afflalo situation all over again.

 

[BBert]

Keeping Hendo means that we are wasting an asset, because I see almost zero chance he re-signs here this summer. It's going to be an Afflalo situation all over again.

Exactly: Mo...Afflalo...Henderson. Same scenario in my mind.

 

[Pinwheel1]

That's pointless, short-term thinking, with logic with which I completely disagree. If Gerald goes, then Moe gets his minutes, and will likely be comparably effective.

Honestly, I don't see how keeping Gerald even benefits the team in the short-term, let alone in the long-term.

You make a strong argument. I do think Harkless and Henderson are two completely types of players though. Harkless looks like the Milwaukee Buck players last night. Long athletic defenders with a suspect outside shot. I can't see us keeping Harkless and Aminu next year. One of them needs to be able to shoot a little better.

 

[riverman]

That's pointless, short-term thinking, with logic with which I completely disagree. If Gerald goes, then Moe gets his minutes, and will likely be comparably effective.

Honestly, I don't see how keeping Gerald even benefits the team in the short-term, let alone in the long-term.

He's a solid vet with a motor...helping us win games and given he's missed preseason, training camp and the early part of the season, I think he's worth a 2 year deal. I think he's also a great guy in the locker room and the community. A good fit for the culture we're building here. Harkless is going to backup Aminu..Henderson is not that old...he's got maybe 2 years of prime time for this group. I would take your post and insert Kaman into the sentence.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He's a solid vet with a motor...helping us win games and given he's missed preseason, training camp and the early part of the season, I think he's worth a 2 year deal. I think he's also a great guy in the locker room and the community. A good fit for the culture we're building here. Harkless is going to backup Aminu..Henderson is not that old...he's got maybe 2 years of prime time for this group. I would take your post and insert Kaman into the sentence.

Again, if he's going to sign here in the off season, he can do so just as easily after we trade him for an asset. He's going to be a UFA, and I seriously doubt we want his cap hold reducing our available space for signing free agents.

 

[Blazer4ever]

He's a good player, lets trade him. -maybe the biggest fault in Blazers fans' logic

 

[Pinwheel1]

Again, if he's going to sign here in the off season, he can do so just as easily after we trade him for an asset. He's going to be a UFA, and I seriously doubt we want his cap hold reducing our available space for signing free agents.

Will his cap hold really effect us? We seem to be way under regardless. Especially with it going up. I guess we could be targeting two players.......

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Will his cap hold really effect us? We seem to be way under regardless. Especially with it going up. I guess we could be targeting two players.......

All I know is that his cap figure this summer will be $9M, and there's no way we're signing him to a contract starting higher than that, so there would be no benefit to us at all to having his cap hold on our books.

Edit: per Spotrac, our cap figure including our 9 active contracts is a little over $46M, and the three holds they're likely to keep (Leonard, Harkless, Crabbe) total $9.3M more, so with a projected cap of $89M, we'll have about $33M of cap space. Why cut that to $24M for the privilege of holding onto Gerald Henderson's bird rights?

 

[BBert]

He's a good player, lets trade him. -maybe the biggest fault in Blazers fans' logic

A few thoughts:

Gerald is not 'good enough' to make a difference this season.
We have other players on our bench who can give us what he does.
He's only going to be here for three more months, after which he's probably going to sign elsewhere.
If he does not re-sign, we get nothing. If we trade him, we get something.
If we want to sign him to a contract after the season, we have the same chance to do so and for the same amount of money, whether we trade him or not.

Conclusion: Trade him for a future or longer term asset.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You make a strong argument. I do think Harkless and Henderson are two completely types of players though. Harkless looks like the Milwaukee Buck players last night. Long athletic defenders with a suspect outside shot. I can't see us keeping Harkless and Aminu next year. One of them needs to be able to shoot a little better.

Aminu has been much better than Harkless. Im pretty sure he sticks around. He can drive to the hoop, hit the three point shot. How can you say he cant score when he basically scored our first 10 points last night?

Again, if he's going to sign here in the off season, he can do so just as easily after we trade him for an asset. He's going to be a UFA, and I seriously doubt we want his cap hold reducing our available space for signing free agents.

Who really wants to do that though? Okay, Im your ping pong to bat around... yeah for me.. I might as well throw the rest of the season away.
Come on. No player wants that.

 

[illmatic99]

Keeping Hendo means that we are wasting an asset, because I see almost zero chance he re-signs here this summer. It's going to be an Afflalo situation all over again.

Spot on. But he's not really much of an asset to begin with. I just don't want to have a situation where he leaves for nothing in return. It was bad enough losing LA/Rolo/Wes for capspace. Vonleh will be all we have to show for Nic then.