Politics So he's not racist huh??

[barfo]

Why would be calling you a boy be any worse than calling me a boy? Because your black?
That's reverse racism right there.

No it's not. Calling a black man a boy has a historical meaning that calling a white man a boy does not.

barfo

 

[dviss1]

But its an insult regardless, and this is basically proving many peoples points. Racial slurs are not black and white. It depends on the giver and the recipeints stance.

Secondly, I dont call women girls. Girls are girls. Boys are boys.
Men are Men and Women are Women.

Why would be calling you a boy be any worse than calling me a boy? Because your black?
That's reverse racism right there.

To call any man a boy is an insult, but I consider it prejudice because of the stance of the individual using the term.

When you use terms such as "reverse racism", you lose ground. There literally is no such thing. And YES calling a black man boy is worse than calling a white man boy.

Under the constitution we are STILL considered 3/5ths human.

 

[Mediocre Man]

When you use terms such as "reverse racism", you lose ground. There literally is no such thing. And YES calling a black man boy is worse than calling a white man boy.

Under the constitution we are STILL considered 3/5ths human.

Isn't it equally demeaning?

 

[Spud147]

But its an insult regardless, and this is basically proving many peoples points. Racial slurs are not black and white. It depends on the giver and the recipeints stance.

Secondly, I dont call women girls. Girls are girls. Boys are boys.
Men are Men and Women are Women.

Why would be calling you a boy be any worse than calling me a boy? Because your black?
That's reverse racism right there.

To call any man a boy is an insult, but I consider it prejudice because of the stance of the individual using the term.

It IS a black/brown/person of color and white issue. You always have to consider the power dynamics and historical context. I'll put it a different way... as a woman I can call my best girl friend a bitch and mean it as a term of endearment - but if you, as a man, do it... prepare to get your face slapped.

I once went out to a Salsa dance club with my white friend Tiffany who proceeded to drink too much and thought it was hilarious to walk through the bar yelling out "Juan" or "Jose" to see how many people turned around to look. I was like, WTF are you doing you idiot?!? I told her she was going to end up getting a well deserved beat down if she didn't shut up and I got her out of there immediately. Proper names such as Tyrone/Jerome/Pocahontas can be and are used as racial slurs.

@dviss1 has probably called some African American friends the N word over the years but I don't ever say that word because I'm not a person of color and it has a completely different meaning when it comes out of my mouth.

 

[calvin natt]

Yeah...saying “boy” to a black man is much much different. I would not appreciate being called boy either but it’s a whole different deal for a black man. People who say “rappers say the N word why can’t I”...are probably racist. How about you just don’t say it and let black people say what they want?

 

[Spud147]

Isn't it equally demeaning?

No it is not... white men have historically had ALL the power and still have most of the power in society to this day. When you call an African American man "Boy" it is meant to diminish his stature. It is why protesters in Memphis in 1968 were wearing signs saying "I AM A MAN". It's 50 years later and we're still questioning this?!?

 

[Cippy91]

You must define racism differently. Please don't quote Merriam...

Funny how you just agree that he's a fucking bigot but then give him rope saying he didn't say anything racist. I guess The Redskins isn't racist either...

Way earlier in this thread I posted a fucking poll where 9 out of 10 native Americans aren’t even offended by the redskins name. You know what you responded with? Quoted it and replied saying “yo mama”. Here it is again

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...38753295f9a_story.html?utm_term=.7d4be237d3d5

 

[crandc]

I am getting reminded of the time Bill O'Reilly went to a restaurant with Al Sharpton and was astonished that the mostly black clientele behaved like civilized people, rather than shouting "Yo, m-f, bring me iced tea".

 

[e_blazer]

Under the constitution we are STILL considered 3/5ths human.

That's not correct, dviss1. the three-fifths clause (Article I, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution of 1787) said that for purposes of representation in Congress, enslaved blacks in a state would be counted as three-fifths of the number of white inhabitants of that state.

The 14th Amendment specifically changed that. First it clarified that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

It went on to say, "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed."

 

[Cippy91]

Because we have lost sight - this is the speech Peter McDonald gave, on behalf of the Navajo Code Talkers, before Trump decided the event had to be about him:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...speech_before_president_trump_stole_show.html

P.S. It is up to the insulted, not the insulter, to decide what is or is not a racial slur.

Dumbest shit I ever heard. It’s up to the insulted to decide what is or isn’t a racial slur?! Wow so basically I can go around and be offended by anything and I’m the one that’s right because I’m the insulted. This is that extreme left logic and it’s ridiculous. People love holding the far right accountable in here but I would love to see some people hold the far left and their crazy ideology accountable too. Shit never happens. Hmmm I wonder why, maybe because we live in a far left state.

 

[barfo]

Dumbest shit I ever heard. It’s up to the insulted to decide what is or isn’t a racial slur?! Wow so basically I can go around and be offended by anything

That's pretty much your whole schtick, so, yes, indeed you can.

barfo

 

[Cippy91]

No it is not... white men have historically had ALL the power and still have most of the power in society to this day. When you call an African American man "Boy" it is meant to diminish his stature. It is why protesters in Memphis in 1968 were wearing signs saying "I AM A MAN". It's 50 years later and we're still questioning this?!?

I hate the white men systematic power horseshit. There are actually a decent amount of minorities in power and I don’t know if you remember this but we just had a black president for 8 years, arguably the most powerful posistion in America.

 

[Hobbesarable]

How about treating others with respect without derogatory names and intentions. It'll go a long way in keeping a conversation open and civil.

 

[Cippy91]

That's pretty much your whole schtick, so, yes, indeed you can.

barfo

Not really. You’re bias. You never liked me on here and you constantly respond with horseshit to me, nothing positive. I never reply to you because it’s a lost cause these days. Says more about you than me

 

[dviss1]

Isn't it equally demeaning?

Why ask this when I just said no?

 

[dviss1]

That's not correct, dviss1. the three-fifths clause (Article I, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution of 1787) said that for purposes of representation in Congress, enslaved blacks in a state would be counted as three-fifths of the number of white inhabitants of that state.

The 14th Amendment specifically changed that. First it clarified that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

It went on to say, "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed."

Blah blah blah. I know that. It may have been nullified but it wasn't changed. The text still says 3/5ths. And people in here still argue that that had to do with money.

 

[H.C.]

The hypocrisy the two women in this 'boy' topic is astounding.

I'll just leave that, at that.

 

[Cippy91]

I don’t think dviss is a bad guy at all. I just don’t understand his logic. It’s so hard to have any conversation with him outside of basketball because he takes everything and claims it’s racist or you’re defending trump no matter if you have denounced racism or trump a million times. He says the slightest shit is racist meanwhile I have seen him say many things you could easily take offense to as a white person and claim it’s also racist. It just makes no sense. People have different opinions dviss, that doesn’t make them racist or a trump supporter. It’s also an issue with other posters on here. Crandc constantly likes to shit on white men. That’s fine whatever. I’m used to the crazy left wing logic by now. I just find it kinda ridiculous on this forum when so many of us have denounced the white supremacists shit and far right wing ideology yet if you criticize sjws or the far far left ideology, the forum gets upset about it and that’s okay. It’s a big justification for how they act. It’s insane.

 

[dviss1]

Way earlier in this thread I posted a fucking poll where 9 out of 10 native Americans aren’t even offended by the redskins name. You know what you responded with? Quoted it and replied saying “yo mama”. Here it is again

I'll admit I glossed over that because of the idiotic first sentence.

 

[e_blazer]

Blah blah blah. I know that. It may have been nullified but it wasn't changed. The text still says 3/5ths. And people in here still argue that that had to do with money.

It never said that blacks were 3/5 of a person. It said that the number of enslaved blacks only counted 3/5th as much as citizens did when determining representation. The purpose of that fractional count wasn't to deprive enslaved blacks of representation (they had none anyway), but rather to keep slave states from having MORE power by letting them have credit for the full number of disenfranchised slaves that lived there.

I agree that it's an ugly provision of the Constitution and I'd love to see the document rewritten to remove any reference to slavery.

 

[H.C.]

When you use terms such as "reverse racism", you lose ground. There literally is no such thing. And YES calling a black man boy is worse than calling a white man boy.

Under the constitution we are STILL considered 3/5ths human.

So wait.
I believe I told you about the black parent at the game I ref'd.
Do you think it was acceptable he called me a white boy? That it wasn't meant to demean, insult, and belittle me?
I certainly took it as him a parent, attempting he could do a better job than this 'white boy'.

We're not going to see eye to eye on this so I don't know why I even asked the question.

 

[dviss1]

It never said that blacks were 3/5 of a person. It said that the number of enslaved blacks only counted 3/5th as much as citizens did when determining representation. The purpose of that fractional count wasn't to deprive enslaved blacks of representation (they had none anyway), but rather to keep slave states from having MORE power by letting them have credit for the full number of disenfranchised slaves that lived there.

I agree that it's an ugly provision of the Constitution and I'd love to see the document rewritten to remove any reference to slavery.

That still ends up being 3/5ths human.

 

[Spud147]

I hate the white men systematic power horseshit. There are actually a decent amount of minorities in power and I don’t know if you remember this but we just had a black president for 8 years, arguably the most powerful posistion in America.

Just because you hate the white men systemic power horseshit doesn't mean it isn't real. I said white men historically had all the power and still currently have MOST of the power. We have a decent amount of minorities in power but do you really believe that the percentage in power is at the same percentage of the population? How many Fortune 500 CEOs are people of color or women? How many head coaches in college football/basketball are African American? Hell, how many head coaches of female athletes in college or professional leagues are female?

 

[dviss1]

So wait.
I believe I told you about the black parent at the game I ref'd.
Do you think it was acceptable he called me a white boy? That it wasn't meant to demean, insult, and belittle me?
I certainly took it as him a parent, attempting he could do a better job than this 'white boy'.

We're not going to see eye to eye on this so I don't know why I even asked the question.

Go to the search and look up white boy under my name. You will see my stance on that term has been consistent.

I have arguments with my black friends about this shit. How the fuck are you gonna use that term when you hate being called boy??

 

[dviss1]

I do however call actual white boys, white boys. But I'll never call a man a boy. Why emulate something you disdain?

 

[e_blazer]

That still ends up being 3/5ths human.

Nah. It was an accounting system about who got the most power. The slaves had zero power and would have had zero power even if they'd been counted the same as citizens. It wasn't like Alabama or Georgia getting more representation would have been good for slaves. Just the opposite is true.

I didn't say it wasn't an f'd up system from the start.

 

[H.C.]

Go to the search and look up white boy under my name. You will see my stance on that term has been consistent.

I have arguments with my black friends about this shit. How the fuck are you gonna use that term when you hate being called boy??

I'm sorry for assuming we wouldn't see eye to eye.


However I can't resist this next part.
You know the sure fire way to know someone doesn't know any black people? They say they have black friends.

 

[Spud147]

So wait.
I believe I told you about the black parent at the game I ref'd.
Do you think it was acceptable he called me a white boy? That it wasn't meant to demean, insult, and belittle me?
I certainly took it as him a parent, attempting he could do a better job than this 'white boy'.

We're not going to see eye to eye on this so I don't know why I even asked the question.

In that context it was meant to demean, insult, and belittle you and it was wrong.

 

[Cippy91]

Just because you hate the white men systemic power horseshit doesn't mean it isn't real. I said white men historically had all the power and still currently have MOST of the power. We have a decent amount of minorities in power but do you really believe that the percentage in power is at the same percentage of the population? How many Fortune 500 CEOs are people of color or women? How many head coaches in college football/basketball are African American? Hell, how many head coaches of female athletes in college or professional leagues are female?

Does it really matter if head coaches are female or not? What kind of fantasy world do you wanna live in? I don’t get it. What will make people like you and dviss happy? You want all blacks in all power positions. Women and blacks probably preferably black females in this far left utopia? Sure why not. What changes then? Give me a break

 

[Orion Bailey]

No it's not. Calling a black man a boy has a historical meaning that calling a white man a boy does not.

barfo

It IS a black/brown/person of color and white issue. You always have to consider the power dynamics and historical context. I'll put it a different way... as a woman I can call my best girl friend a bitch and mean it as a term of endearment - but if you, as a man, do it... prepare to get your face slapped.

I once went out to a Salsa dance club with my white friend Tiffany who proceeded to drink too much and thought it was hilarious to walk through the bar yelling out "Juan" or "Jose" to see how many people turned around to look. I was like, WTF are you doing you idiot?!? I told her she was going to end up getting a well deserved beat down if she didn't shut up and I got her out of there immediately. Proper names such as Tyrone/Jerome/Pocahontas can be and are used as racial slurs.

@dviss1 has probably called some African American friends the N word over the years but I don't ever say that word because I'm not a person of color and it has a completely different meaning when it comes out of my mouth.

And that's my whole point. Its all about context. There is no black and white. It depends one the user of words and the recipients and that was my point.


What a word means to one person doesn't mean it means the same thing to the next person, so there IS no black and white its all subjective.

Regarding the boy thing, I brought that up, because where is the line drawn?

When do we pull up our big boy pants and let the superficial shit die away and focus on the legit concerns of this world? (Not saying racism isn't a legit concern).

Name calling only hurts if you let it.


I'm sure we have all heard this....

Stick and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me...


We are becoming pussified because instead of dismissing the superficial and focusing on the important issues, we are trying to utopalize the country and that will not work.

In order to get past this we ALL must get past it. White people need to understand what words can be insulting and Others need to get over the words and dismiss them.