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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
But, but.....every time your guy opens his pie hole, he can’t seem to get past a rehash of of being so mistreated for the past four years........ I’ll move on when he does

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Trump sure as hell ain't my guy but... he's been cancelled so I'm not sure where you're hearing him

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HailBlazers said:
Trump sure as hell ain't my guy but... he's been cancelled so I'm not sure where you're hearing him

:cheers:
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I’m a dyed in the wool masochist. I watched his speech at CPAC.......and try as anyone might, the only guy who can cancel Donald Trump is Donald Trump. Hell, now he’s siphoning off donations for his own personal PAC that would normally go to Republican national committees. I’m not sure how or why he’s being “cancelled”........
 
jonnyboy said:
The good news is I just found out I am “affluent” with my wife and I’s whopping $80k combined household income (if we’re lucky) and we will not be receiving a check due to our economic privilege.
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You should read and think before you type and speak. Or, I suppose, continue to live complaining about things that aren't true, and failing to understand how things work. Make another 80K per year, and THEN you won't qualify. Until then, you're all good.
 
RR7 said:
You should read and think before you type and speak. Or, I suppose, continue to live complaining about things that aren't true, and failing to understand how things work. Make another 80K per year, and THEN you won't qualify. Until then, you're all good.
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Why did ya'll have to correct him? I wanted to see the spin when the money was deposited into his account.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Why did ya'll have to correct him? I wanted to see the spin when the money was deposited into his account.
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"I wasn't supposed to get the stimulus, and yet they deposited it in my account! Stupid dems can't even send out checks to the right people, how can we trust them to run medicare for all??!!"
 
RR7 said:
You should read and think before you type and speak. Or, I suppose, continue to live complaining about things that aren't true, and failing to understand how things work. Make another 80K per year, and THEN you won't qualify. Until then, you're all good.
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I did read it wrong. Glad you were able to get some aggression out over it though. I’ll try not to let it happen again. Don’t have a fucking aneurysm in the meantime.
 
RR7 said:
"I wasn't supposed to get the stimulus, and yet they deposited it in my account! Stupid dems can't even send out checks to the right people, how can we trust them to run medicare for all??!!"
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Get it all out man. You’ll be a better person when it’s all done.
 
jonnyboy said:
I did read it wrong. Glad you were able to get some aggression out over it though. I’ll try not to let it happen again. Don’t have a fucking aneurysm in the meantime.
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lol, ok.
 
RR7 said:
lol, ok.
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I’ll be sure to let you know when it’s deposited to further satisfy your ego. I’ll let you know if and when I get the last stimulus we were supposed to get also, lol.
 
jonnyboy said:
We’re good. Cost of living is low here and we are pretty good with our money. Appreciate the kind words though:cheers: I couldn’t imagine being somewhere like California (hell even Oregon now) where cost of living is higher and being told 75k and above is “more affluent”. It’s especially strange they base it on 2019 income, before anyone was affected by COVID. Can’t even pretend politicians are trying to make sense at this point.
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Cost of living right here in affluent Lake Oswego is nothing compared with vast areas of California. I had a friend working at Intel in California who was able to sell his modest home in Cupertino and use the proceeds to by a beautiful $2 Million dollar home in Rock Creek. Now he lives a very very nice retirement on his company pension plan.
No, the Portland area of Oregon may be more expensive than Wyoming but it's nothing when compared to most of California where both your income and your purchases are substantially taxed.
 
HailBlazers said:
Ever tried to put pressure on something using a wet noodle?
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Are you admitting that your dong is like a wet noodle? I wouldn't admit that if I were you, which is why I haven't admitted it.
 
RR7 said:
"I wasn't supposed to get the stimulus, and yet they deposited it in my account! Stupid dems can't even send out checks to the right people, how can we trust them to run medicare for all??!!"
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People receiving stimulus during a pandemic isn't a bad thing. We should err on the side of giving stimulus to some who don't need it rather than giving it to too few people.

No harm done.
 
Minstrel said:
In fact, they did. Kamala Harris went to West Virginia and pushed for the $15 minimum wage, royally angering Manchin. Beyond that, we have no idea what pressure is or isn't being applied behind the scenes. But they did apply pressure to Manchin out in public, in his own state.



They (Democrats) promised the $2000 that they advocated for from the start. $600 of that was distributed, so they're now making up the remaining $1400.

I agree that he's not a progressive, but I find the arguments that he lied to be unpersuasive.
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A $600 and a $1400 check are not the same as a $2000 check. He promised a $2000 check if Georgia won.

How does Biden get credit for $600 under Trump? How does Biden get credit for supporting less stimulus than Trump?

This BS, along with the gun control push, is going to cause fewer people to support Democrats, which will allow Republicans to win in 2024.

And after Trump I'm scared of what that means.
 
Phatguysrule said:
A $600 and a $1400 check are not the same as a $2000 check. He promised a $2000 check if Georgia won.

How does Biden get credit for $600 under Trump? How does Biden get credit for supporting less stimulus than Trump?

This BS, along with the gun control push, is going to cause fewer people to support Democrats, which will allow Republicans to win in 2024.

And after Trump I'm scared of what that means.
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I don’t see Republicans winning in 2024. They’ll all be dead from COVID. Idiots opening up their states from restrictions. People can’t fucking help themselves.
 
Phatguysrule said:
A $600 and a $1400 check are not the same as a $2000 check. He promised a $2000 check if Georgia won.

How does Biden get credit for $600 under Trump? How does Biden get credit for supporting less stimulus than Trump?
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He doesn't get "credit" for a $600 check. The Democrats were pushing for $2000 checks from the start (when the stimulus bill in 2020 was being negotiated) but all the Republicans would do was $600. Democrats promised to make sure people got $2000 if elected, which means the extra $1400 that Republicans weren't willing to do.

This is all fairly obvious math. Are you alleging that $1400 was a random amount from the Democrats and it's just a convenient lie that it happens to add up to $2000 when you combine it with the $600 checks that have already gone out?

This BS, along with the gun control push, is going to cause fewer people to support Democrats, which will allow Republicans to win in 2024.
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I don't think so. If so much of the country were progressive, A. Sanders or someone like him would win Democratic primaries and B. much more liberal/progressive people win win Senate/Representative seats, making what we consider progressive policy possible. This isn't a progressive country, even in the Democratic party (and I mean among the voters, not just the politicians). If the pandemic fades away (and Biden is viewed as having rolled out the vaccines well) and the economy comes roaring back, Democrats will almost certainly be significant favorites for 2024--quibbling over "making up the difference in $2000 checks" versus "giving new $2000 checks" isn't going to be what determines things.

The Democrats aren't nearly as liberal as I am, but I also care about the practicalities of politics in this nation. I understand the constraints of what policy you can push for and successfully win when most of the country is not progressive. Manchin and Sinema are less liberal than Joe Biden is--a President Sanders might keep pushing for a $15 minimum wage, a single-payer health care system and universal university education (all things I'd like also) and they'd all have zero chance in the Senate. Knowing this, I'm okay with things getting better slower than I'd like, because faster isn't a possibility in this nation. Not due to lack of guts or bravery on the part of Democrats, but due to the politics of the nation.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I don’t see Republicans winning in 2024. They’ll all be dead from COVID. Idiots opening up their states from restrictions. People can’t fucking help themselves.
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Fortunately covid-19 only kills a few percent of infected people. More of those are old Republicans, but still. I don't think there will be enough dead Republicans to ensure a Democrat wins if democrats lose the progressive vote.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Fortunately covid-19 only kills a few percent of infected people. More of those are old Republicans, but still. I don't think there will be enough dead Republicans to ensure a Democrat wins if democrats lose the progressive vote.
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I guess I really needed some green font here.

I am aware of the basic facts.

Was poking fun at all these Republicans and the Republican-dominated states that are easing up on simple restrictions that really help to curb the spread of COVID. You can’t save people from themselves. If you remove mask mandates in states, many people are going to not wear masks. I realize I’m being fairly general here, but it’s mostly Republicans and Republican-dominated states fighting back on mask mandates.
 
Phatguysrule said:
A $600 and a $1400 check are not the same as a $2000 check. He promised a $2000 check if Georgia won.

How does Biden get credit for $600 under Trump? How does Biden get credit for supporting less stimulus than Trump?

This BS, along with the gun control push, is going to cause fewer people to support Democrats, which will allow Republicans to win in 2024.

And after Trump I'm scared of what that means.
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Perhaps it was the best he could get through Congress. Whatever other reason can you think of?
 
Saw this on the twitter, applies equally to S2:

"Twitter is interesting because most people labeled “centrist” on this site are in real life just progressive Dems with an understanding of the legislative process and a pragmatic view on how to achieve policy goals."

barfo
 
barfo said:
Saw this on the twitter, applies equally to S2:

"Twitter is interesting because most people labeled “centrist” on this site are in real life just progressive Dems with an understanding of the legislative process and a pragmatic view on how to achieve policy goals."

barfo
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I've always felt that there are (at least) two axis when it comes to defining one's political views. There's the typical conservative vs. liberal axis (which is, itself, something that a lot of people would disagree with as a 2D axis) and then there's the revolutionary vs. pragmatic axis.

Often times, people confuse, say, progressive with revolutionary. If you don't demand single-payer health care or nothing, you're not really progressive. You can believe in single-payer health care but recognize it's not possible politically right now so want move health care in the right direction even if not as far as one would like. The first perspective is "revolutionary progressive" and the second perspective is "pragmatic progressive."

IMO, the liberal/conservative axis is what you believe in and the revolutionary/pragmatic axis is your tactical disposition to achieve your beliefs.

Granted, these axes aren't 100% independent--I'm not sure you can be a revolutionary centrist.
 
Minstrel said:
I've always felt that there are (at least) two axis when it comes to defining one's political views. There's the typical conservative vs. liberal axis (which is, itself, something that a lot of people would disagree with as a 2D axis) and then there's the revolutionary vs. pragmatic axis.

Often times, people confuse, say, progressive with revolutionary. If you don't demand single-payer health care or nothing, you're not really progressive. You can believe in single-payer health care but recognize it's not possible politically right now so want move health care in the right direction even if not as far as one would like. The first perspective is "revolutionary progressive" and the second perspective is "pragmatic progressive."

IMO, the liberal/conservative axis is what you believe in and the revolutionary/pragmatic axis is your tactical disposition to achieve your beliefs.

Granted, these axes aren't 100% independent--I'm not sure you can be a revolutionary centrist.
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Yep, I'm reluctantly in the pragmatic progressive camp. Reluctant because I want more but pragmatic because I know you can only achieve so much. Baby steps but in the right direction. As long as I see progress I'm happy.
 
Lanny said:
Perhaps it was the best he could get through Congress. Whatever other reason can you think of?
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It seems to me that he's closer to a republican than he is a progressive and doesn't want to piss off his donors too much.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I guess I really needed some green font here.

I am aware of the basic facts.

Was poking fun at all these Republicans and the Republican-dominated states that are easing up on simple restrictions that really help to curb the spread of COVID. You can’t save people from themselves. If you remove mask mandates in states, many people are going to not wear masks. I realize I’m being fairly general here, but it’s mostly Republicans and Republican-dominated states fighting back on mask mandates.
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I completely agree, and I knew you were being sarcastic. Just talking through it...
 
barfo said:
Saw this on the twitter, applies equally to S2:

"Twitter is interesting because most people labeled “centrist” on this site are in real life just progressive Dems with an understanding of the legislative process and a pragmatic view on how to achieve policy goals."

barfo
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But people like that are why Bernie Sanders isn't president. Rather than voting for somebody who would actually push hard for progressive policies they make excuses not to.

In a negotiation, if you ask for exactly what you want you'll always receive less.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But people like that are why Bernie Sanders isn't president. Rather than voting for somebody who would actually push hard for progressive policies they make excuses not to.
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Bernie isn't president because he couldn't get as many votes as Hillary or Joe. It's literally that simple. People vote for - or against - candidates for all sorts of reasons.

In a negotiation, if you ask for exactly what you want you'll always receive less.
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So, if Bernie were President, would Joe Manchin be more progressive? I'm open to arguments why he would, but I don't immediately see it.

barfo
 
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