Politics The Joe Biden Thread (2 Viewers)

[barfo]

The President will have to get enough people in WV to pressure Manchin. That will take huge political pressure in WV by the President personally campaigning in WV for those policies.

Apply enough pressure and Manchin would cave. He would cave before you had to run somebody against him.

But again, Biden isn't even close to doing that. He's interested in doing as little as possible while trying to look as progressive as possible.

If Biden spent every day in WV I don't think it would have any positive effect. Do people in WV care about any of this? I don't think so, or they wouldn't elect so many Republicans. What's Biden's approval rating in WV? 25% maybe? They aren't going to listen to him. It might very well make Manchin more popular for resisting Biden's pressure.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

If Biden spent every day in WV I don't think it would have any positive effect. Do people in WV care about any of this? I don't think so, or they wouldn't elect so many Republicans. What's Biden's approval rating in WV? 25% maybe? They aren't going to listen to him. It might very well make Manchin more popular for resisting Biden's pressure.

barfo

Of course Biden's approval rating is in the toilet. You don't win people over by doing a bunch of half measures no sooner than absolutely necessary. That's why I said he can't do it.

That's why he was never a good candidate. He was just to get us back to the same bullshit that gave us Trump. And that's exactly what we'll get. If not Trump it'll be somebody similar.

A Biden isn't going to cut it. Never was.

 

[barfo]

Of course Biden's approval rating is in the toilet. You don't win people over by doing a bunch of half measures no sooner than absolutely necessary. That's why I said he can't do it.

That's why he was never a good candidate. He was just to get us back to the same bullshit that gave us Trump. And that's exactly what we'll get. If not Trump it'll begin somebody similar.

A Biden isn't going to cut it. Never was.

Nobody else was going to cut it, either. I don't think the people of WV were going to listen to any of the other D candidates.

We needed to win senate elections in places where we had a chance to win. Like Manchin said. Depending on him to help is a blindfolded hail mary.

barfo

 

[jonnyboy]

Biden thinks George Floyd is a band.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nobody else was going to cut it, either. I don't think the people of WV were going to listen to any of the other D candidates.

We needed to win senate elections in places where we had a chance to win. Like Manchin said. Depending on him to help is a blindfolded hail mary.

barfo

That wasn't going to happen by tying the Democratic party to Biden. Democrats need to do better. Far better.

Maybe there was a chance if Biden turned his back on the politics he's always supported. But if he were going to do that the DNC wouldn't have picked him.

 

[Road Ratt]

Dems Get Nowhere On Voting Rights.

 

[barfo]

That wasn't going to happen by tying the Democratic party to Biden. Democrats need to do better. Far better.

Maybe there was a chance if Biden turned his back on the politics he's always supported. But if he were going to do that the DNC wouldn't have picked him.

What presidential candidate do you think would have kept Cal Cunningham's zipper up? Or beaten Susan Collins? Those are the only 2 that were even close.

I don't think Biden's any hot stuff, but I don't think he's really the problem here, Manchin and Sinema and the Republicans are. I don't see anyone else who would have had more success pushing those stupid rocks up the hill.

And the "DNC" didn't pick him. The primary voters - especially, the SC voters - picked him.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

What presidential candidate do you think would have kept Cal Cunningham's zipper up? Or beaten Susan Collins? Those are the only 2 that were even close.

I don't think Biden's any hot stuff, but I don't think he's really the problem here, Manchin and Sinema and the Republicans are. I don't see anyone else who would have had more success pushing those stupid rocks up the hill.

And the "DNC" didn't pick him. The primary voters - especially, the SC voters - picked him.

barfo

Heh heh. The DNC picked Biden. They had to convince primary voters to vote for him, sure. But he was their pick.

I'm not sure if another candidate could have done it. I'm not sure democrats have what it takes to do it. They turn too many people blue collar workers off.

Mayor Pete has some potential... But he's also bought and paid for. No reason to think he won't just bend the same knee while turning off the same people Biden has... Andrew Yang? Bernie had the following, but he was too jarring.

Frankly, after 4 years with Trump and them trotting out Biden/Kamala I'm even less optimistic.

It's actually pretty depressing.

 

[Lanny]

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This is a world wide problem as is inflation.

 

[Hoopguru]

Heh heh. The DNC picked Biden. They had to convince primary voters to vote for him, sure. But he was their pick.

I'm not sure if another candidate could have done it. I'm not sure democrats have what it takes to do it. They turn too many people blue collar workers off.

Mayor Pete has some potential... But he's also bought and paid for. No reason to think he won't just bend the same knee while turning off the same people Biden has... Andrew Yang? Bernie had the following, but he was too jarring.

Frankly, after 4 years with Trump and them trotting out Biden/Kamala I'm even less optimistic.

It's actually pretty depressing.

Agree, in fact the DNC and media was panicking that Bernie was going to win the nomination. They had to promote someone other than Bernie as they didn't have confidence in him beating........

 

[Chris Craig]

Heh heh. The DNC picked Biden. They had to convince primary voters to vote for him, sure. But he was their pick.

I'm not sure if another candidate could have done it. I'm not sure democrats have what it takes to do it. They turn too many people blue collar workers off.

Mayor Pete has some potential... But he's also bought and paid for. No reason to think he won't just bend the same knee while turning off the same people Biden has... Andrew Yang? Bernie had the following, but he was too jarring.

Frankly, after 4 years with Trump and them trotting out Biden/Kamala I'm even less optimistic.

It's actually pretty depressing.

I voted for Klobuchar in the primary. I didn't want Biden. I voted for him only after he became the nominee.

Ironically, the Republicans who the blue collar workers might turn to are a far worse party for them. The Republicans raise their taxes while giving the rich big breaks. But, Trump loves the uneducated.

There is responsibility on both sides though for a lack of enthusiasm among blue collar voters. Neither is helping enough with keeping jobs in America. Blue collar workers keep losing jobs to overseas workers, where labor is cheaper.

Both parties often mention the middle and upper class, but hardly if ever the blue collar, lower class.

 

[barfo]

Heh heh. The DNC picked Biden. They had to convince primary voters to vote for him, sure. But he was their pick.

I'm always puzzled by the suggestion that the DNC is some powerful organization that bends candidates and voters to its will. It seems quite toothless to me.

Who are these people? What is their source of power? How do they go about wielding the power?

barfo

 

[ABM]

I'm always puzzled by the suggestion that the DNC is some powerful organization that bends candidates and voters to its will. It seems quite toothless to me.

Who are these people? What is their source of power? How do they go about wielding the power?

barfo

It's called the m.e.d.i.a.

 

[Shaboid]

I'm always puzzled by the suggestion that the DNC is some powerful organization that bends candidates and voters to its will. It seems quite toothless to me.

Who are these people? What is their source of power? How do they go about wielding the power?

barfo

Didn't Donna Brazile write a book about that?

 

[barfo]

It's called the m.e.d.i.a.

The DNC is called the m.e.d.i.a.?

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

I voted for Klobuchar in the primary. I didn't want Biden. I voted for him only after he became the nominee.

Ironically, the Republicans who the blue collar workers might turn to are a far worse party for them. The Republicans raise their taxes while giving the rich big breaks. But, Trump loves the uneducated.

There is responsibility on both sides though for a lack of enthusiasm among blue collar voters. Neither is helping enough with keeping jobs in America. Blue collar workers keep losing jobs to overseas workers, where labor is cheaper.

Both parties often mention the middle and upper class, but hardly if ever the blue collar, lower class.

Yeah, I'm not blaming one party, though the Republicans are certainly the bigger problem.

I just don't think the democrats have a strategy which can improve things. To the point that it seems like they don't want to...

 

[barfo]

Didn't Donna Brazile write a book about that?

Beats me. Who would read a book by Donna Brazile?

barfo

 

[ABM]

The DNC is called the m.e.d.i.a.?

barfo

Don't be obtuse. You're better than that.

DNC perceived source of power --> m.e.d.i.a

 

[barfo]

Don't be obtuse. You're better than that.

DNC perceived source of power --> m.e.d.i.a

Sure, but I was asking about the supposed actual source of power, not the right-wing propaganda line.

barfo

 

[ABM]

Sure, but I was asking about the supposed actual source of power, not the right-wing propaganda line.

barfo

You'd have to enlist The Shadow.

 

[Hoopguru]

Time for change as most people dont like the two party system anyway. The lack of bi partisan coalitions causes congressional gridlock and stifles competition by being sold out to media.



America's two major political parties are simply too big
https://www.msnbc.com › msnbc › america-s-two-majo...

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm always puzzled by the suggestion that the DNC is some powerful organization that bends candidates and voters to its will. It seems quite toothless to me.

Who are these people? What is their source of power? How do they go about wielding the power?

barfo

They are establishment moderate democrats. They do things like give certain candidates questions ahead of time, change the rules so certain candidates look like they are receiving less support than others, etc, etc.

They are free to do basically anything they want to make the primary work the way they want.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yeah, I'm not blaming one party, though the Republicans are certainly the bigger problem.

I just don't think the democrats have a strategy which can improve things. To the point that it seems like they don't want to...

Agreed

Democrats need to stop pussyfooting around and trying to play Mr Nice guy in the hopes the Republicans will grow a moral bone in their body and follow suit.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Agreed

Democrats need to stop pussyfooting around and trying to play Mr Nice guy in the hopes the Republicans will grow a moral bone in their body and follow suit.

Yeah, this plays right into what the Republicans want.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yeah, this plays right into what the Republicans want.

Yes. Democrats don't end up getting bills passed or nominees for the SC or other courts, etc through and the Republicans get back power and they do what they want...they do the same things they escoriate the Democrats for.... Don't do that...how dare you even think of doing that...your terrible if you do that...but we are doing it and it's cool if we do it.


Then you have corporations in cahoots with Republicans....to lower prices and give raises, and make things look good, and then the Dems get in, and the corporations make them look like they are doing a terrible job by raising prices and firing people, etc.

 

[barfo]

They are establishment moderate democrats. They do things like give certain candidates questions ahead of time, change the rules so certain candidates look like they are receiving less support than others, etc, etc.

They are free to do basically anything they want to make the primary work the way they want.

On the first example, I presume you are talking about Donna Brazile. Agreed on that one, although that's a single occurrence not an established pattern as far as I know.
On the second example, not sure what you have in mind?

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

On the first example, I presume you are talking about Donna Brazile. Agreed on that one, although that's a single occurrence not an established pattern as far as I know.
On the second example, not sure what you have in mind?

barfo

The DNC is staffed almost entirely by establishment moderate democrats.

They actually had a rule that allowed them to show the super delegate (establishment dems) counts before voting actually took place, making it appear that non establishment candidates had no chance.

Bernie Sanders made a big enough stink about and had enough political capital, that they were forced to change that.

But they've been trying to figure out how to roll the changes back.

There's talk about somehow trying to change this rule at this convention - just casual conversation, and I have participated in it some," said Don Fowler, a former DNC chairman from South Carolina who opposed the DNC's decision in 2018 to strip superdelegates of much of their power in the presidential nominating process. "But I want to be clear that I would not be a party to any effort to do that in the 2020 convention... It's bad sportsmanship.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083

 

[barfo]

The DNC is staffed almost entirely by establishment moderate democrats.

Is it?

• Chair: Jaime Harrison, former Chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party[8]
• Executive Director: Sam Cornale, former Chief of Staff of the Democratic National Committee[9]
• Deputy Executive Director: Roger Lau, former Campaign Manager for Elizabeth Warren for President[10]
• Political Director: Alana Mounce, former Executive Director of the Nevada State Democratic Party
• Chief of Staff: Anatole Jenkins, former National Organizing Director for Kamala Harris For The People
• Vice Chair of Civic Engagement and Voter Participation: Keisha Lance Bottoms[8]
• Vice Chairs:
  • Gretchen Whitmer, Governor of Michigan[8]
  • Tammy Duckworth, U.S. Senator from Illinois[8]
  • Ken Martin, Chair of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party[8]
  • Filemon Vela Jr., U.S. Representative from Texas's 34th congressional district[8]
• Treasurer: Virginia McGregor[8]
• Secretary: Jason Rae[11]
• Finance Chair: Chris Korge[12]

I don't know most of those people, but there are at least a couple there that don't sound very establishment.

Bernie Sanders made a big enough stink about and had enough political capital, that they were forced to change that.

But they've been trying to figure out how to roll the changes back.

That doesn't make them sound all-powerful. That makes it sound like Bernie had the power and exercised it.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

Is it?



I don't know most of those people, but there are at least a couple there that don't sound very establishment.



That doesn't make them sound all-powerful. That makes it sound like Bernie had the power and exercised it.

barfo

Bernie had the power after they screwed him twice and it bacame public, and he didn't go away.

I didn't say they were all powerful. Just that they are biased and have levers they can pull to give their chosen candidate an edge.

They still have to convince people to vote for their guy. And they will use the tools at their disposal to do that.

It will take an incredibly strong and popular candidate to overcome that. And it will take an almost saintly (or crazy) person to resist the machine.

 

[Lanny]

I voted for Klobuchar in the primary. I didn't want Biden. I voted for him only after he became the nominee.

Ironically, the Republicans who the blue collar workers might turn to are a far worse party for them. The Republicans raise their taxes while giving the rich big breaks. But, Trump loves the uneducated.

There is responsibility on both sides though for a lack of enthusiasm among blue collar voters. Neither is helping enough with keeping jobs in America. Blue collar workers keep losing jobs to overseas workers, where labor is cheaper.

Both parties often mention the middle and upper class, but hardly if ever the blue collar, lower class.

Job loss because of operations moving overseas got worse under Trump.