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This discussion is so wild. The denial of just basic, straightforward factual information is almost scary. It’s honestly part of what makes this forum so fun/interesting though. It’s more or less an amalgamation of all the worst liberal takes, but taking the term “holdout” to the extreme. Even when the goofiest of the leftist mainstream media have been debunked and quietly move away from a story or narrative, you can come here, sometimes years later, and still find it being pushed as fact.
Even the most hardcore Biden pundits from the mainstream are now admitting what those of us with working eyeballs have been saying for 3+ years, yet the good ol OT section still holding the line, boots dug in, Biden just had a cold.
 
jonnyboy said:
This discussion is so wild. The denial of just basic, straightforward factual information is almost scary. It’s honestly part of what makes this forum so fun/interesting though. It’s more or less an amalgamation of all the worst liberal takes, but taking the term “holdout” to the extreme. Even when the goofiest of the leftist mainstream media have been debunked and quietly move away from a story or narrative, you can come here, sometimes years later, and still find it being pushed as fact.
Even the most hardcore Biden pundits from the mainstream are now admitting what those of us with working eyeballs have been saying for 3+ years, yet the good ol OT section still holding the line, boots dug in, Biden just had a cold.
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Yes times 100! I don't know how a Blazer forum has collected such a large collection people like this. And they say I'm in a "MAGA cult", when I'm not even a Trump fan, but I can still see that the media constantly lies about him while it protects Joe.
 
Biden proposed regulations to reduce heat related deaths for American workers. But this week's extreme court decision overturning 40 year precedent on regulation could and very likely will be used to block it. Congress could pass safety law but Republicans opposed workplace safety even when people are dying because they are so pro life.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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WTH? How hard do they have to try. It's pretty clear what he's saying. He's proud to serve with the first Black woman to be vice president, the first vice president to a Black president and to put the first Black woman on SCOTUS.

This is how people actually talk a lot of times when they aren't reading from prepared notes. It's not perfect, but he's clearly not saying he was a Black woman. Good lord, talk about a sorry, lame reach.
 
PCmor7 said:
WTH? How hard do they have to try. It's pretty clear what he's saying. He's proud to serve with the first Black woman to be vice president, the first vice president to a Black president and to put the first Black woman on SCOTUS.

This is how people actually talk a lot of times when they aren't reading from prepared notes. It's not perfect, but he's clearly not saying he was a Black woman. Good lord, talk about a sorry, lame reach.
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Incredibly clear what he's saying
 
oldfisherman said:
Don't like the bashing comments and jokes. But just wow.

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It says he spoke for five minutes. This video took four clips that covered about 35-40 seconds. (I know, I went back and actually used the timestamps to see how long these "cringe" comments took -- they played several back, I guess to try and taunt).

My first question then is ... "Why aren't you playing the whole five minutes?"

Then, let's get what the video did post.

He says for "a lot of reasons." They have to highlight "lottery" for their bubble, because otherwise no one would notice. Ever hear someone say "gonna" or "wanna"? It's the same thing. It's a dialect. I live a couple of hours from where Biden is from. Everyone talks like that here. No one would have noticed it in a casual conversation.

"And looked at what was happened"? Maybe he misspoke, but he wasn't far off what any of us would have said. Maybe he meant, "looked at what had happened" or "looked at what was happening." Either way, a guy in his 80s who's had a pronounced stutter all his life is off by ... three letters.

He met with American veterans, 12 or 14 who were over 102 years old. If you can't understand that, the problem isn't Biden, it's you.

Anyway, what it boils down to is just something really lame and insignificant. People worried about something like this I imagine have to be horrified about the prospect of a president that would incite an insurrection, or tell people to ingest bleach to defeat COVID, or would turn Afghanistan over to the Taliban, or would pressure Georgia to change their vote totals, or would sexually assault women, or would go bankrupt a half-dozen times, or would call White supremacists "very fine people," or would stack SCOTUS with activist far-right judges who deprived the majority of Americans of rights long held from previous rulings, or would ... well, you probably get the idea. One thing is lame, a trivial flex or taunt. The other actually goes to the character and competence of the person who one seems to be suggesting they are fine having as the most powerful person in the free world.

Just weird, man. Weird and shortsighted.
 
Hillary Clinton is alive and well. Why is that news? In 2016 she had pneumonia and was sick for a few weeks. During attack of dizziness she fell and hit her head. When they weren't screaming emails media full of stories about how frail she is. Might not survive her first term. Trump older and clinically obese but he was strong and powerful. She frail.
Eight years later Hillary Clinton is very much alive.
But media wants a story. Biden dropping out would be a huge story. They breathlessly await and meanwhile story after story about why he should leave.
Convicted felon? No, he's fine.
CNN chair famously said Trump is terrible for country but great for ratings.
Media wants a Trump presidency.
 
crandc said:
Hillary Clinton is alive and well. Why is that news? In 2016 she had pneumonia and was sick for a few weeks. During attack of dizziness she fell and hit her head. When they weren't screaming emails media full of stories about how frail she is. Might not survive her first term. Trump older and clinically obese but he was strong and powerful. She frail.
Eight years later Hillary Clinton is very much alive.
But media wants a story. Biden dropping out would be a huge story. They breathlessly await and meanwhile story after story about why he should leave.
Convicted felon? No, he's fine.
CNN chair famously said Trump is terrible for country but great for ratings.
Media wants a Trump presidency.
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The irony is the media might end up nationalized as an official act of the Trump presidency.
 
PCmor7 said:
It says he spoke for five minutes. This video took four clips that covered about 35-40 seconds. (I know, I went back and actually used the timestamps to see how long these "cringe" comments took -- they played several back, I guess to try and taunt).

My first question then is ... "Why aren't you playing the whole five minutes?"

Then, let's get what the video did post.

He says for "a lot of reasons." They have to highlight "lottery" for their bubble, because otherwise no one would notice. Ever hear someone say "gonna" or "wanna"? It's the same thing. It's a dialect. I live a couple of hours from where Biden is from. Everyone talks like that here. No one would have noticed it in a casual conversation.

"And looked at what was happened"? Maybe he misspoke, but he wasn't far off what any of us would have said. Maybe he meant, "looked at what had happened" or "looked at what was happening." Either way, a guy in his 80s who's had a pronounced stutter all his life is off by ... three letters.

He met with American veterans, 12 or 14 who were over 102 years old. If you can't understand that, the problem isn't Biden, it's you.

Anyway, what it boils down to is just something really lame and insignificant. People worried about something like this I imagine have to be horrified about the prospect of a president that would incite an insurrection, or tell people to ingest bleach to defeat COVID, or would turn Afghanistan over to the Taliban, or would pressure Georgia to change their vote totals, or would sexually assault women, or would go bankrupt a half-dozen times, or would call White supremacists "very fine people," or would stack SCOTUS with activist far-right judges who deprived the majority of Americans of rights long held from previous rulings, or would ... well, you probably get the idea. One thing is lame, a trivial flex or taunt. The other actually goes to the character and competence of the person who one seems to be suggesting they are fine having as the most powerful person in the free world.

Just weird, man. Weird and shortsighted.
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I am keeping this short. So maybe you might get the point.

I do not want Trump or Biden for president. Each has their own very long list of reasons why. Bidens mental capacity was never on my list. It is now.

There are far too many signs he is starting to slip in and out of some form of dementia.
 
He's toast. Time to move on. The man should never have been elected in the first place, if not for Trump. He has a sorry record of decades of service - being on the wrong side of civil rights, abortion, being creepy around young girls, and more. Ambition over party and country is a terrible trait in a person.

It is beyond absurd to try and defend the man at this point. His dementia has been on display for the past couple of years at least.

Use the 25th and let Kamala be presidential for a few months before the election.

Kamala should energize Democrats to go out and vote. I think she beats Trump, which is the goal, no?

I'm voting for RFK Jr. this time around.
 
oldfisherman said:
I am keeping this short. So maybe you might get the point.

I do not want Trump or Biden for president. Each has their own very long list of reasons why. Bidens mental capacity was never on my list. It is now.

There are far too many signs he is starting to slip in and out of some form of dementia.
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Oh, I got your point clearly.

You might not want either, but that's the choice you have.

You might think Biden might have dementia after the debate. Trump has shown signs of dementia, but he also tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power, failed miserably in almost every measurable way in his first term (Biden actually got infrastructure through, something Trump promised and failed to do), was impeached twice, now is a convicted felon still with 50 charges pending, jokes about sexually abusing women, has cheated on his wife, gave Afghanistan to the Taliban, tried to pressure Georgia into changing its votes, etc., etc.

You might not like me saying this, but if you think there's any equivalence between Biden and Trump -- even if you don't think Biden is a good candidate -- you have a complete lack of perspective. That's even before Project 2025 or Trump's promise to punish those that opposed him is considered at all.

A vote for Trump is a vote against the country. A vote against Biden or whoever the Democrats run against Trump is shortsighted and a vote against the country. Not voting for either is effectively a vote for Trump and a vote against the Constitution and the foundational principles of the country.
 
PCmor7 said:
Oh, I got your point clearly.

You might not want either, but that's the choice you have.

You might think Biden might have dementia after the debate. Trump has shown signs of dementia, but he also tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power, failed miserably in almost every measurable way in his first term (Biden actually got infrastructure through, something Trump promised and failed to do), was impeached twice, now is a convicted felon still with 50 charges pending, jokes about sexually abusing women, has cheated on his wife, gave Afghanistan to the Taliban, tried to pressure Georgia into changing its votes, etc., etc.

You might not like me saying this, but if you think there's any equivalence between Biden and Trump -- even if you don't think Biden is a good candidate -- you have a complete lack of perspective. That's even before Project 2025 or Trump's promise to punish those that opposed him is considered at all.

A vote for Trump is a vote against the country. A vote against Biden or whoever the Democrats run against Trump is shortsighted and a vote against the country. Not voting for either is effectively a vote for Trump and a vote against the Constitution and the foundational principles of the country.
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100%. I hate that this is the case. But this is the case.

Both parties are evil. But there is clear evil on the ballot and only 1 candidate has the ability to prevent that evil from being president.

Let's prevent that evil from being president and then set about changing the shitty system that forces us to choose between these shitty parties.
 
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