OT TIME for you lefties to denounce the "media"

[barfo]

Ummm. Didn't Obama make a cool tribute video to Dwyane Wade? Where's the one Dirk? Maybe I missed it

I don't know, but presumably if he did, it wasn't done when he wasn't President of the United States?

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

I knew that, but it isn't clear what your questions about the links are.



So Obama wasn't president for 8 years?



If Obama had a history of doing and saying racist things, then he'd be considered racist.

barfo

Where is Dirks retirement video???

OBAMA IS RACIST!

There is your history.......

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't know, but presumably if he did, it wasn't done when he wasn't President of the United States?

barfo

Whether 15, 30, 80 or just off the turnip truck, it doesn't matter if he was pres or not. History is history and this is racist.

See how this works?

 

[barfo]

There is your history.......

Sorry, that isn't relevant history. That is not an official act as POTUS.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Whether 15, 30, 80 or just off the turnip truck, it doesn't matter if he was pres or not. History is history and this is racist.

See how this works?

No. You aren't making a good point, sorry. History involves more than one moment.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sorry, that isn't relevant history. That is not an official act as POTUS.

barfo

Umm are not the Trump haters calling him out for racist things before he was pres too?


So a pres can only be considered racist for his actions/remarks while in the oval office?

LMAO. This just gets better and better.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No. You aren't making a good point, sorry. History involves more than one moment.

barfo

History is one moment at a time. Like all history. In that video, I linked, it had several moments.

We shall have to agree to disagree on the fundamentals of what is history and what is racist and all that jazz I suppose.

 

[barfo]

History is one moment at a time. Like all history. In that video, I linked, it had several moments.

We shall have to agree to disagree on the fundamentals of what is history and what is racist and all that jazz I suppose.

Sounds good.

barfo

 

[riverman]

It is usually good etiquette to tell people when you post while drunk.

Umm are not the Trump haters calling him out for racist things before he was pres too?

I kept Trump on ignore until he became a mod, then I could no longer simply ignore him...but your Trump haters category is pretty telling. See the guy has actually divided the country more than ever before...and earned zero respect along the way. The racist narrative going on here is pure bullshit anyway. My entire point of contention here is that the media guides all these anti Trump malcontents....he's drawn all of this upon himself with his own slinging of emo bullshit. What result would you expect from all the facets of society Trump has deemed "losers, low IQ individuals, fake news organizations are fooling you! Exactly where did you think Trump's ongoing snipe at anyone not a yes man to end up? Popcorn time....enjoy the coming attractions!

 

[Orion Bailey]

I kept Trump on ignore until he became a mod, then I could no longer simply ignore him...but your Trump haters category is pretty telling. See the guy has actually divided the country more than ever before...and earned zero respect along the way. The racist narrative going on here is pure bullshit anyway. My entire point of contention here is that the media guides all these anti Trump malcontents....he's drawn all of this upon himself with his own slinging of emo bullshit. What result would you expect from all the facets of society Trump has deemed "losers, low IQ individuals, fake news organizations are fooling you! Exactly where did you think Trump's ongoing snipe at anyone not a yes man to end up? Popcorn time....enjoy the coming attractions!

See I don't disagree with some of this. But I have to stop at a point and say come on. The other side does the same thing in reverse. I've seen many statements of Trumps completely contorted to fit an authors narrative many times.

We need to denounce this type of behavior whether its from republicans, democrats, independents and everyone else that is trying to steer the public away from the truth.

This is the narrative Body has been trying to push. Not whether Trump is racist or not. Its the twisting of things that has got to stop and I agree with him.

Body showed you an example of how your words could be twisted to make you seem like something you are not, and he got chastised by Lanny for it and got ignored by you for it.

I don't understand that type of open(closed) mindedness or style of debate. That isn't a debate, that's getting offended that someone twisted your words up.

Hmm.... I'm willing to bet the President gets these same frustrations when he sees this type of blatant contorting.


Also, when you say you kept Trump on ignore until he became a mod... I have no idea who you are talking about. Trump is a mod here? Was that a typo and you meant someone else's name?

See, I think its articles like this that divide the country just as much. It exasperates the division you claim Trump has brought, yet you wont denounce this article as continuing fake news to further segregate us?



I'm completely at a loss how anyone could defend this type of article. If you don't condemn the article, then you are part of the problem you complain about. ( River, when I say you, I mean people in general, not you specifically)

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

See I don't disagree with some of this. But I have to stop at a point and say come on. The other side does the same thing in reverse. I've seen many statements of Trumps completely contorted to fit an authors narrative many times.

We need to denounce this type of behavior whether its from republicans, democrats, independents and everyone else that is trying to steer the public away from the truth.

This is the narrative Body has been trying to push. Not whether Trump is racist or not. Its the twisting of things that has got to stop and I agree with him.

Body showed you an example of how your words could be twisted to make you seem like something you are not, and he got chastised by Lanny for it and got ignored by you for it.

I don't understand that type of open(closed) mindedness or style of debate. That isn't a debate, that's getting offended that someone twisted your words up.

Hmm.... I'm willing to bet the President gets these same frustrations when he sees this type of blatant contorting.


Also, when you say you kept Trump on ignore until he became a mod... I have no idea who you are talking about. Trump is a mod here? Was that a typo and you meant someone else's name?

See, I think its articles like this that divide the country just as much. It exasperates the division you claim Trump has brought, yet you wont denounce this article as continuing fake news to further segregate us?



I'm completely at a loss how anyone could defend this type of article. If you don't condemn the article, then you are part of the problem you complain about. ( River, when I say you, I mean people in general, not you specifically)

If these guys would just watch ONE of the Jimmy Dore videos I've posted. Jimmy is just a comedian who HATES Trump as much as these guys. But he has real journalists like Glenn Greenwald on his show. They expose the corporate media for what it is.

Never in my adult life have I witnessed people basically say "It is ok for journalists to twist everything Trump does because he does SO much evil shit"

You wanna know what Trump lies bother me? It sure isn't lying about Stormy Daniels. It is lying about getting us out of all these fucking wars.

Which leads me to what happens to people like Tulsi Gabbard. She wants to stop our regime change war efforts?

The media chimes in that she is a homophobe who loves Assad and now has Russian Bot activity in her favor.

 

[riverman]

See I don't disagree with some of this. But I have to stop at a point and say come on. The other side does the same thing in reverse. I've seen many statements of Trumps completely contorted to fit an authors narrative many times.

We need to denounce this type of behavior whether its from republicans, democrats, independents and everyone else that is trying to steer the public away from the truth.

This is the narrative Body has been trying to push. Not whether Trump is racist or not. Its the twisting of things that has got to stop and I agree with him.

Body showed you an example of how your words could be twisted to make you seem like something you are not, and he got chastised by Lanny for it and got ignored by you for it.

I don't understand that type of open(closed) mindedness or style of debate. That isn't a debate, that's getting offended that someone twisted your words up.

Hmm.... I'm willing to bet the President gets these same frustrations when he sees this type of blatant contorting.


Also, when you say you kept Trump on ignore until he became a mod... I have no idea who you are talking about. Trump is a mod here? Was that a typo and you meant someone else's name?

See, I think its articles like this that divide the country just as much. It exasperates the division you claim Trump has brought, yet you wont denounce this article as continuing fake news to further segregate us?



I'm completely at a loss how anyone could defend this type of article. If you don't condemn the article, then you are part of the problem you complain about. ( River, when I say you, I mean people in general, not you specifically)

please stop with the forum post police commentary...I know what conversations I have here...I've explained my issue with the title...the article I don't care to read..I don't subscribe to Time....I also said bodyman should write the editor of Time instead of lumping anti Trump folks into some false demand for reparations to a victim that in my view is the source of all of this....to take a quote of my rage for this topic from years ago when a terrorist...jihadist terrorist murdered innocent people was pretty much creepy...stalking behavior...I used to drink back then too...it's bait...pointed at a select group...and it's not something I need around my life…...and honestly...it has nothing to do with you anyway. If you want to "like" the dude's post...it's really that simple....like the post. In the case of this thread, I questioned the title, didn't get that sorted out...I'm not, nor ever have been objective about Donald Trump...don't like him, don't trust him, don't give him any benefit of the doubt anymore....my judge of character I can live with. I'm not only ignoring what I consider to be white noise....I've started to use the ignore thread function...the playoffs are on...fuck a bunch of dumb shit....see if this thread was titled....Time magazine article, I find hypocrital...discuss.
If that were the thread title...I'd have read the article...Hypocrisy is using the media to discredit the media....trust this because it's untrustworthy...but read it anyway!

 

[barfo]

You wanna know what Trump lies bother me? It sure isn't lying about Stormy Daniels. It is lying about getting us out of all these fucking wars.

Which leads me to what happens to people like Tulsi Gabbard. She wants to stop our regime change war efforts?

The media chimes in that she is a homophobe who loves Assad and now has Russian Bot activity in her favor.

You should also check out this guy named Bernie Sanders? His anti-war voting record is actually much stronger than Tulsi's.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

please stop with the forum post police commentary...I know what conversations I have here...I've explained my issue with the title...the article I don't care to read..I don't subscribe to Time....I also said bodyman should write the editor of Time instead of lumping anti Trump folks into some false demand for reparations to a victim that in my view is the source of all of this....to take a quote of my rage for this topic from years ago when a terrorist...jihadist terrorist murdered innocent people was pretty much creepy...stalking behavior...I used to drink back then too...it's bait...pointed at a select group...and it's not something I need around my life…...and honestly...it has nothing to do with you anyway. If you want to "like" the dude's post...it's really that simple....like the post. In the case of this thread, I questioned the title, didn't get that sorted out...I'm not, nor ever have been objective about Donald Trump...don't like him, don't trust him, don't give him any benefit of the doubt anymore....my judge of character I can live with. I'm not only ignoring what I consider to be white noise....I've started to use the ignore thread function...the playoffs are on...fuck a bunch of dumb shit....see if this thread was titled....Time magazine article, I find hypocrital...discuss.
If that were the thread title...I'd have read the article...Hypocrisy is using the media to discredit the media....trust this because it's untrustworthy...but read it anyway!

Fair enough.

 

[Orion Bailey]

please stop with the forum post police commentary...I know what conversations I have here...I've explained my issue with the title...the article I don't care to read..I don't subscribe to Time....I also said bodyman should write the editor of Time instead of lumping anti Trump folks into some false demand for reparations to a victim that in my view is the source of all of this....to take a quote of my rage for this topic from years ago when a terrorist...jihadist terrorist murdered innocent people was pretty much creepy...stalking behavior...I used to drink back then too...it's bait...pointed at a select group...and it's not something I need around my life…...and honestly...it has nothing to do with you anyway. If you want to "like" the dude's post...it's really that simple....like the post. In the case of this thread, I questioned the title, didn't get that sorted out...I'm not, nor ever have been objective about Donald Trump...don't like him, don't trust him, don't give him any benefit of the doubt anymore....my judge of character I can live with. I'm not only ignoring what I consider to be white noise....I've started to use the ignore thread function...the playoffs are on...fuck a bunch of dumb shit....see if this thread was titled....Time magazine article, I find hypocrital...discuss.
If that were the thread title...I'd have read the article...Hypocrisy is using the media to discredit the media....trust this because it's untrustworthy...but read it anyway!

Fair enough.

MRiver there is only one thing though. I understand your statement was during a certain phase of your life, but doesn't that often happen in the media? Old quotes pulled up years later and twisted out of context? Not just against trump but in general? It seems to be the media norm from both sides and i find it disgusting and a serious threat to our democracy founded on our constitution.

 

[Lanny]

Jesus Christ here's the riverman post I quoted in this thread.

Did you read the part about Riverman? The answer is either no or you don't care.
There's no getting through to you on this. I'm resigned to that.

 

[Lanny]

Lanny. Body's point was its easy to twist a statement into something it isn't. Body provided an example using one of Rivers statements and twisted it.

Not sure what you and/or him aren't understanding about that. The headline was in reference to Rivers quote saying what the headline said..........



So ignore because of lack of understanding...

Sounds familiar.

To each their own.

I'd say you will never accept my reasoning so that's that.

 

[Lanny]

Jesus Christ here's the riverman post I quoted in this thread.

I give up. You guys aren't ever going to change.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'd say you will never accept my reasoning so that's that.

I don't need to accept it. Im just trying to even understand it.
You dont think the media pulls old quotes out years later and twists them the same as what body did?

There is nothing to change about us. The change needs to happen in the media.

 

[barfo]

There is nothing to change about us. The change needs to happen in the media.

Or, you could just accept that some stories are going to have a slant one way or another, and seek out alternative views. Just like every post here isn't completely even-handed, but you still read them. It's ok to read things you disagree with. You are strong enough to figure out what you believe. You don't need the whole rest of the world to only feed you viewpoints you agree with, to only include the facts you think are relevant, to put events in a context that you are comfortable with.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Or, you could just accept that some stories are going to have a slant one way or another, and seek out alternative views. Just like every post here isn't completely even-handed, but you still read them. It's ok to read things you disagree with. You are strong enough to figure out what you believe. You don't need the whole rest of the world to only feed you viewpoints you agree with, to only include the facts you think are relevant, to put events in a context that you are comfortable with.

barfo

So the guy that witnesses a crime should just look the other way for a more peaceful place instead of reporting and making others aware?

I think there are many more followers of bogus headlines than you realize.

 

[barfo]

So the guy that witnesses a crime should just look the other way for a more peaceful place instead of reporting and making others aware?

Not sure what you mean? Are you saying you are 'reporting a crime' of media bias?

If that's the concept, then I don't think I told you you shouldn't complain - just that the complaints will not be effective. There are no police to arrest the malefactor, and there are plenty of witnesses who will say you've identified the perp incorrectly.

I think there are many more followers of bogus headlines than you realize.

Oh, I don't think I underestimate that. People are going to believe what they want to believe.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not sure what you mean? Are you saying you are 'reporting a crime' of media bias?

If that's the concept, then I don't think I told you you shouldn't complain - just that the complaints will not be effective. There are no police to arrest the malefactor, and there are plenty of witnesses who will say you've identified the perp incorrectly.



Oh, I don't think I underestimate that. People are going to believe what they want to believe.

barfo

And so you blame ignorant people who may, may not have the same access to news as those reporting, but not the reporters reporting incorrectly.? Flawed logic.

 

[barfo]

And so you blame ignorant people who may, may not have the same access to news as those reporting, but not the reporters reporting incorrectly.? Flawed logic.

Where was I assigning blame? I blame all humans. And the SlyPoker animals too.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Where was I assigning blame? I blame all humans. And the SlyPoker animals too.

barfo

Come on now., We are having a good debate, lets keep it real.

Blame may not have been the best word, but you basically said the people shouldn't believe everything they read:

Not sure what you mean? Are you saying you are 'reporting a crime' of media bias?

If that's the concept, then I don't think I told you you shouldn't complain - just that the complaints will not be effective. There are no police to arrest the malefactor, and there are plenty of witnesses who will say you've identified the perp incorrectly.



Oh, I don't think I underestimate that. People are going to believe what they want to believe.

barfo

I read that that you believe its up to the people to ignore the false, or inaccurate reporting.

My stance is reporters often have access to more info than the readers, so how do the readers know its always truth or not?

There is a certain amount of trust always provided to the Press because of the FREEDOM OF PRESS and how it came to be.

There was a time when the press, or reporting was suppressed by their government and/or rulers(still is) And in this country we hold those truths to be very important and powerful enough to create an amendment for it, so the Press was Free to print the truths.

Somewhere along the way the press has abused this freedom to the point that fake news is almost more prevalent than true news.

Do you not agree that these fake news outlets and authors should be stemmed?

I think if a member of the press is printing fake news or trying to twist the public into their narrative, then they should lose their press credentials from any and all outlets that provide them access.


To simply say the readers should ignore the fake news is disingenuous at best. How does the reader know its fake or not? The press is provided faith by the people and they are abusing it.

 

[barfo]

Blame may not have been the best word, but you basically said the people shouldn't believe everything they read:

Do you disagree? Do you think people should believe everything they read?

I read that that you believe its up to the people to ignore the false, or inaccurate reporting.

My stance is reporters often have access to more info than the readers, so how do the readers know its always truth or not?

There is usually more than one reporter on the job, often from competing outlets. The reality is that different people have different perceptions, biases, and opinions. It's an imperfect system, but it's better than state-approved press only.

There is a certain amount of trust always provided to the Press because of the FREEDOM OF PRESS and how it came to be.

There was a time when the press, or reporting was suppressed by their government and/or rulers(still is) And in this country we hold those truths to be very important and powerful enough to create an amendment for it, so the Press was Free to print the truths.

Somewhere along the way the press has abused this freedom to the point that fake news is almost more prevalent than true news.

I disagree with your last statement. But yes, free press means everyone is free to print whatever they want.

Do you not agree that these fake news outlets and authors should be stemmed?

I think if a member of the press is printing fake news or trying to twist the public into their narrative, then they should lose their press credentials from any and all outlets that provide them access.

Press credentials don't mean much of anything anymore. Hard to see how anyone pushing lies would be harmed by that - if you aren't interested in the truth, you don't really have much need for access. Of all the things that get reported on, only a tiny fraction require a press pass to observe.

But to the general point, how are you going to crack down on what you call fake news outlets without repealing the 1st amendment?

To simply say the readers should ignore the fake news is disingenuous at best. How does the reader know its fake or not? The press is provided faith by the people and they are abusing it.

Some of them are. Some of them try to print the truth. Some people will be happy to point out which is which. But those people have biases themselves, so you are back to the problem that humans just can't be trusted.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Do you disagree? Do you think people should believe everything they read?



There is usually more than one reporter on the job, often from competing outlets. The reality is that different people have different perceptions, biases, and opinions. It's an imperfect system, but it's better than state-approved press only.



I disagree with your last statement. But yes, free press means everyone is free to print whatever they want.



Press credentials don't mean much of anything anymore. Hard to see how anyone pushing lies would be harmed by that - if you aren't interested in the truth, you don't really have much need for access. Of all the things that get reported on, only a tiny fraction require a press pass to observe.

But to the general point, how are you going to crack down on what you call fake news outlets without repealing the 1st amendment?



Some of them are. Some of them try to print the truth. Some people will be happy to point out which is which. But those people have biases themselves, so you are back to the problem that humans just can't be trusted.

barfo

So justification of fake news pushers is that there are other reporters?

Why would that matter?

I get your point that freedom of press is just that and that media credentials don't hold much value these days with interneters. But its a start.

To answer your question i bolded?
Easy. You make it known its fake news and that so and so pushes it.
Much akin to this thread people are minimizing.

Like all things of freedom, I'm free to do what i want. However if i choose to abuse that freedom there are consequences.
Steal a car? Go to prison.
Slander/liable someone? ...go to prison.

Knowingly contribute to fake news aimed at contorting their audience into believing something untrue?
...Be publicly admonished and called out as such.
Just like the OP has done.

There is only one way to fight false words and thats by speaking the truths about it in return.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Y'all are easily fooled. I bet that's a paid plant.

Wait, what? Paid by who?

 

[Lanny]

I don't need to accept it. Im just trying to even understand it.
You dont think the media pulls old quotes out years later and twists them the same as what body did?

There is nothing to change about us. The change needs to happen in the media.

Sigh, I expected that.

 

[barfo]

So justification of fake news pushers is that there are other reporters?

Why would that matter?

Not justification. More like mitigation.

I get your point that freedom of press is just that and that media credentials don't hold much value these days with interneters. But its a start.

To answer your question i bolded?
Easy. You make it known its fake news and that so and so pushes it.
Much akin to this thread people are minimizing.

That's a fine answer. Just realize that fake news is in the eye of the beholder.

Like all things of freedom, I'm free to do what i want. However if i choose to abuse that freedom there are consequences.
Steal a car? Go to prison.
Slander/liable someone? ...go to prison.

Knowingly contribute to fake news aimed at contorting their audience into believing something untrue?
...Be publicly admonished and called out as such.
Just like the OP has done.

Sure. Although an article about a Trump tweet about the NFL draft might not be the most important issue, and the framing of that issue here was somewhat less of a search for truth and more of a search for an argument.

There is only one way to fight false words and thats by speaking the truths about it in return.

Yes, we agree.

barfo