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wizenheimer said:
I was curious so I made a comparison of them. Started with Nurkic's 1st year as a starter an Portland:

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they are close to even in PER; Ayton is a more efficient shooter, mainly because of Nurk's poor shooting at the rim. Nurkic is a better rebounder and passer. And he's a better defender. Ayton has better winshare numbers but he's played on teams that have generated a lot more wins so that skew is evident. Nurkic has a better impact if you gauge by BPM

personally, I think Ayton has become pretty overrated in this forum. He may have more baggage than Nurkic and he costs twice as much
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Sure, but there are some other things to consider.

Age:
Ayton - 25
Nurk - 29

Minutes played (from your stat sheets):
Ayton - 9282
Nurk - 8165

I think that Nurk is going to be a real piece of shit after Dame is traded. I just flatly don't want him on our team. If we can replace him with a younger player who can start and be productive, that's fine with me. We can eat the additional 15 million at this point because Scoot and Shaedon are on rookie scale contracts. If he doesn't work out in the next few years, you dump him. This is the perfect chance to give him a shot and a change of scenery. He's the perfect high risk/high reward option, but is he even really high risk? We're not giving up much to get him. Who else even wants Nurk right now?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sure, but there are some other things to consider.

Age:
Ayton - 25
Nurk - 29

Minutes played (from your stat sheets):
Ayton - 9282
Nurk - 8165

I think that Nurk is going to be a real piece of shit after Dame is traded. I just flatly don't want him on our team. If we can replace him with a younger player who can start and be productive, that's fine with me. We can eat the additional 15 million at this point because Scoot and Shaedon are on rookie scale contracts. If he doesn't work out in the next few years, you dump him. This is the perfect chance to give him a shot and a change of scenery. He's the perfect high risk/high reward option, but is he even really high risk? We're not giving up much to get him. Who else even wants Nurk right now?
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Agreed. If we don't trade Nurk for Ayton I think we end up getting nothing from him as he pouts his way out of the league. In PHX he'll have another fresh start and motivation to prove himself.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sure, but there are some other things to consider.

Age:
Ayton - 25
Nurk - 29

Minutes played (from your stat sheets):
Ayton - 9282
Nurk - 8165

I think that Nurk is going to be a real piece of shit after Dame is traded. I just flatly don't want him on our team. If we can replace him with a younger player who can start and be productive, that's fine with me. We can eat the additional 15 million at this point because Scoot and Shaedon are on rookie scale contracts. If he doesn't work out in the next few years, you dump him. This is the perfect chance to give him a shot and a change of scenery. He's the perfect high risk/high reward option, but is he even really high risk? We're not giving up much to get him. Who else even wants Nurk right now?
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Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head. Ayton still is coming into his prime. He has a chance to get better. Also, he's played essentially equal to or a little above Nurk in a situation where he felt rightfully or not as a pariah.

Then, if you get into the whole "age window" thing, he fits better than Nurk.

I'm not a huge Ayton guy and I think I'm not sure the distinction between he and Nurk in actual play is worth the difference in cost, but I also think it's undeniable that Ayton has a lot of room to get better, and his ceiling is monster level.
 
PCmor7 said:
Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head. Ayton still is coming into his prime. He has a chance to get better. Also, he's played essentially equal to or a little above Nurk in a situation where he felt rightfully or not as a pariah.

Then, if you get into the whole "age window" thing, he fits better than Nurk.

I'm not a huge Ayton guy and I think I'm not sure the distinction between he and Nurk in actual play is worth the difference in cost, but I also think it's undeniable that Ayton has a lot of room to get better, and his ceiling is monster level.
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Imagine the pressure to succeed when you were drafted ahead of Luka lol
 
Natebishop3 said:
Sure, but there are some other things to consider.

Age:
Ayton - 25
Nurk - 29

Minutes played (from your stat sheets):
Ayton - 9282
Nurk - 8165

I think that Nurk is going to be a real piece of shit after Dame is traded. I just flatly don't want him on our team. If we can replace him with a younger player who can start and be productive, that's fine with me. We can eat the additional 15 million at this point because Scoot and Shaedon are on rookie scale contracts. If he doesn't work out in the next few years, you dump him. This is the perfect chance to give him a shot and a change of scenery. He's the perfect high risk/high reward option, but is he even really high risk? We're not giving up much to get him. Who else even wants Nurk right now?
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look (TM), I don't really care much if the Blazers add Ayton. The new CBA has pretty much eliminated in-season cap-space as a thing, so Portland will need salary. I guess Ayton's bloated salary is as good as any other bloated salary. But it is bloated

I just am not that impressed with Ayton and I think he'll be a problem child. If the Blazers can flip him for a first or two plus and expiring, I'd prefer that
 
wizenheimer said:
they are close to even in PER; Ayton is a more efficient shooter, mainly because of Nurk's poor shooting at the rim. Nurkic is a better rebounder and passer. And he's a better defender.
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He is definitely not, nor have he every been a better defender in the system Chauncy wants to play (switching as opposed to drop-coverage).

Also, notice that DA had a higher PER / WS despite a lower usage%

DA is not a slam dunk prospect for sure, but given Portland's salary situation, fit based on system and his age / potential for change based on a new environment, he is a risk worth taking, imho.
 
Cugel said:
I would almost prefer OG than Ayton. I know DA could really blossom into what he was supposed to be but this team doesn't need a guy with a personality problem.
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OG can walk after one season and wants more ball-handling and playmaking duties. Reminds me of Nicolas Batum who got the bag then got his wish to be a shooting guard in Charlotte and disappeared from the NBA radar.

"Maybe VanVleet’s exit will help create more on-ball opportunities for O.G. Anunoby, who changed agencies from Klutch Sports to CAA amid ongoing questions about his role in Toronto. Anunoby told representatives during meetings with prospective agents, according to people familiar with the situation, that he was searching for greater ball-handling and playmaking duties in advance of his upcoming contract talks. Without that chance in the Raptors’ offense under new head coach Darko Rajaković, there remains the ongoing possibility that Anunoby could request a trade from the franchise during what’s now the third season of a four-year, $72 million contract — which Anunoby relayed to potential agents he deemed was below his market value, but does include a player option before the 2024-25 season."

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-free-a...t-moves-through-first-24-hours-201912462.html
 
illmatic99 said:
Awfully quiet today.
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iu
 
do people really think what has been rumored over the last 4-5 days has been "quiet"? Seems like a lot of noise to me
 
wizenheimer said:
do people really think what has been rumored over the last 4-5 days has been "quiet"? Seems like a lot of noise to me
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Well, all of the quiet discussion started with "Awfully quiet today"
 
wizenheimer said:
do people really think what has been rumored over the last 4-5 days has been "quiet"? Seems like a lot of noise to me
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Did you miss where i said *today*? The momentum built up to a crescendo the past few days. Figured today would be a big day. But not a single update from any of our sources.
 
illmatic99 said:
Did you miss where i said *today*? The momentum built up to a crescendo the past few days. Figured today would be a big day. But not a single update from any of our sources.
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yeah, I guess I didn't pay much attention to the 'today' part since the noise of the last 3-4 days is still reverberating.
 
inconceivable said:
Nothing to talk about. None of the talks materialized and probably nothing else to discuss until December. Local journalists need to prepare media day questions for Dame and Joe
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I don't know Cronin's plan, but what I would hope he does is:
1) get a great deal now or
2) Wait until December 15th when many newly-signed free agents can be traded
3) wait until January 15th when another batch of newly-signed free agents can be traded. That includes Jerami Grant and Matisse Thybulle.

I think more teams will be interested in making a trade after January 15th when they have an idea of where they stand compared to other teams.
I think there are too many unknowns right now, including the effect of the infusion of talent from the 2023 draft.
 
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beast crnjo said:
But if you spent 2 years tanking and got the #1 pick and drafted a center like Ayton, then got the #4 pick and got a player like OG you'd think that tank plan is worked. Then in year 3 you'd probably already be at a point where you're too good to get high lotto picks.

There's also the chance that you draft busts. You could just start by having that team now.
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They'd be on rookie contracts and we'd have more assets compared to trading for them.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We had many opportunities to contend with Dame. Olshey just screwed it up repeatedly.

Refusing to trade CJ for PG. Refusing to get value out of Aldridge. Missing in critical drafts. Overpaying average players who over achieved rather than trading them for max value.

If we suck the next few years and OG and Ayton leave because of it, how have we helped ourselves?

That seems just as likely as drafting players as good as they are.
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We've drafted two players in the last two years that are supposed to end up better than they are, and probably have to be. Don't know why we can't add similar pieces to the core the next couple of years. We brought in Schmitz for a reason.
 
BonesJones said:
We've drafted two players in the last two years that are supposed to end up better than they are, and probably have to be. Don't know why we can't add similar pieces to the core the next couple of years. We brought in Schmitz for a reason.
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We should be able to get those picks from the Dame trade, shouldn't we?

Feels better than the perpetual tank...
 
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