Trade Deadline: February 6, 2025

[SharpesTriumph]

My feels are still the same, if we can’t get fair value which IMO is still a 1st for any of JG, Ant, RWill - you just keep them and let them expire as Blazers. It makes zero sense to dump any of them, and this is coming from someone who cannot stand Ant and Grants games.

I just don’t see their replacements being “ready enough” to dump any of them.. and currently the contracts work with our timeline for a couple more years.

Warming up to standing pat versus taking an L on anything

RWill I'd absolutely keep unless we get a first, he is great to have on the roster and is worth rolling the dice he'd be healthy if its only a 2nd.

JG I want to see moved - that contract going to 2028 could age very badly.

Personally I'd move Ant and Ayton for whatever we can get but I'm fine keeping them.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Were your travel plans changed sir???

Lol that is hilarious.

That would be an awkward flight.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Just out of curiosity, if Capella were to be traded, could he re-sign with Atlanta this summer when he becomes a free agent? There is no waiting period for that correct?

I ask because If he likes it there and they like him, seems like it would be a no-risk trade for them. Capella at this point is not going to get a big payday as a free agent.

Yeah, there is no waiting period for Capella in the summer. The only time there are restrictions is when its a buyout and the player is trying to sign with a prior team while still being paid by a different team.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

again, that Chicago first may have very well never been conveyed. Those protections are borderline considering the apparent direction Chicago is heading

I think this one of those trades where all three teams won by getting exactly what they wanted

Sure it might not of conveyed but if it did it could have been a pick as high as #9 in the lottery. If it did convey it projected as very good since the Bulls are weak. The team owning it had 3 years so it was very much a FRP with value.

We saw that exact same Spurs team last year get that very type of lottery pick. Toronto last year got jumped and ultimately lost their lottery pick to the Spurs.

 

[wizenheimer]

The idea with Ant or Ayton having more value on expiring deals would not be from Portlands end but from the trade partner end.

If they were on expiring deals they could be in a Butler type of trade or traded for someone out with an injury the rest of the year and have value there. Not saying its a ton of value or that I'd even try to go that direction if running the Blazers. But it wouldn't be a horrible gamble to try and roll the dice on. Theres a chance they could get some nice 2nd rounder or maybe a very weak first rounder if combined with other pieces. Worst case scenario they just expire next year anyways.

but expiring contracts of 27-35M can't be traded for air. TPE's are almost never that large. The Blazers will likely have to bring back longer term salary at the same time they are getting ready to give new deals to Scoot-Sharpe-Camara-Clingan

besides that, if the Blazers have the expiring contracts of Simons and Ayton, who says Cronin will just let them walk?

 

[wizenheimer]

Sure it might not of conveyed but if it did it could have been a pick as high as #9 in the lottery. If it did convey it projected as very good since the Bulls are weak. The team owning it had 3 years so it was very much a FRP with value.

We saw that exact same Spurs team last year get that very type of lottery pick. Toronto last year got jumped and ultimately lost their lottery pick to the Spurs.

obviously, the opposite of what I suggested could happen. But the Bulls are the 9th seed in the lottery with LaVine and Vucevic averaging 54-15-8. And all indicators are the Bulls are gearing up for a total rebuild. They sure didn't get much talent back for LaVine. My estimate would be they will be worse the next 2 seasons than they are now

I'm pretty sure the Spurs, given the approximate parameters of the trade, looked at that Bulls pick as having a less than 50-50 chance of conveying

 

[Kell]

Wanting the vets moved I get and agree that there needs to be a more cleared runway for the young guys. But to those of you who want them gone for what ever you can get I sure hope you respond with crickets if that actually happens.
To not recoup solid assets would make Cronin the absolute laughingstock that a lot here think him to be.
While I am mixed on the previous moves he made I understood the reason for them and if he gave Simons or grant away for a bag of chips just to clear the path would leave this fan disappointed.
I hope that either net at the least a solid young prospect and some form of draft capitol or a decent player in return that can have an easier time moving after the season.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

but expiring contracts of 27-35M can't be traded for air. TPE's are almost never that large. The Blazers will likely have to bring back longer term salary at the same time they are getting ready to give new deals to Scoot-Sharpe-Camara-Clingan

besides that, if the Blazers have the expiring contracts of Simons and Ayton, who says Cronin will just let them walk?

I never said Ant/Ayton would be traded for air. The idea would be to trade for something such as an injured player also on an expiring deal and a pick. Or if they don't have FRP value maybe just a swap. Or maybe be the 3rd team in a Butler type of deal and get a young player that has more value long term than Ayton/Ant.

We just saw the Kings prioritize adding Zach LaVine horrible contract over a FRP plus better contracts.

Now could a bad GM screw this up and take back contracts worst than Simons/Ayton expiring or even give them a new bigger deal? Of course, a bad GM can screw up a team at basically any time.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Wanting the vets moved I get and agree that there needs to be a more cleared runway for the young guys. But to those of you who want them gone for what ever you can get I sure hope you respond with crickets if that actually happens.
To not recoup solid assets would make Cronin the absolute laughingstock that a lot here think him to be.
While I am mixed on the previous moves he made I understood the reason for them and if he gave Simons or grant away for a bag of chips just to clear the path would leave this fan disappointed.
I hope that either net at the least a solid young prospect and some form of draft capitol or a decent player in return that can have an easier time moving after the season.

Cronin shouldn't worry about what a bunch of nerds opinions on a fan message board is on a random Thursday in February.

I've been very critical of Cronin having the group of vets he's had on this roster since the Clippers trade. I've also loved nearly all of his draft picks. But I'm not Cronin's boss nor an assistant GM he can strategically plan these moves with.

Anything previously given up for Ant, Ayton, Grant, or other players is now a sunk cost so shouldn't be a factor going forward either.

If Cronin is or isn't a laughingstock shouldn't impact trades he does. The motivation should be - does this trade move the franchise closer to long term success?

 

[blazerkor]

Wanting the vets moved I get and agree that there needs to be a more cleared runway for the young guys. But to those of you who want them gone for what ever you can get I sure hope you respond with crickets if that actually happens.
To not recoup solid assets would make Cronin the absolute laughingstock that a lot here think him to be.
While I am mixed on the previous moves he made I understood the reason for them and if he gave Simons or grant away for a bag of chips just to clear the path would leave this fan disappointed.
I hope that either net at the least a solid young prospect and some form of draft capitol or a decent player in return that can have an easier time moving after the season.

I'm thinking more along the lines of Ant and Dalano for Anthony Black and Cole Anthony... maybe Joe can squeeze draft assets out of Orlando as well, a couple of second rounders or Denver's FRP in this draft. That being said if we only got expiring contracts back for Ant, no prospects or picks, then I wouldn't be happy.

As far as Jerami goes I won't be too terribly angry if he only yields a reclamation type of player and expirings or I think the deal that could make sense is Jerami to the Bucks for Middleton and draft considerations, maybe get a second or expirings by flipping Middleton. Maybe they just give us that 2031 FRP or maybe we have to include some second round picks to make that happen. Again, not advocating giving the guy away or either taking on worse contracts or paying with any picks to get Jerami's contract off the books.

I don't think you could get value back for Deandre right now but maybe I'm wrong. I also think it would be stupid to carry all three of Clingan, Rob and DA past the deadline but we'll have to wait a little longer and see if that's what Joe does.

Obviously I think with all of the buzz about Rob being an in demand commodity, I'd be pretty pissed if we just gave him away.

I'd be cool to see Matisse get shipped off for nothing more than expirings, even if his career gets a second life at his new home, he's not doing anything for us but I wouldn't want the team to pay to move him either.

 

[Hoopguru]

This isn't a huge trade, but helps both teams.
Since the Mavs are in a win now mode I propose the following trade.

Thybulle for Grimes and Exum. Exum for salary and you could drop him after this year.
I really like Grimes d & O game. He's young too.

 

[bemac]

I don't think you could get value back for Deandre right now but maybe I'm wrong. I also think it would be stupid to carry all three of Clingan, Rob and DA past the deadline but we'll have to wait a little longer and see if that's what Joe does.

Curious, what's stupid about it? DA is performing above a level anyone hoped for, his skillset is a perfect match for the current lineup, and he's young and really good. Clingan is really a couple years from being a starting caliber center for this team, and is getting all the minutes he needs. Rob is just a great player to have as needed, especially next year when they're in the playoffs.

 

[Kell]

Cronin shouldn't worry about what a bunch of nerds opinions on a fan message board is on a random Thursday in February.

I've been very critical of Cronin having the group of vets he's had on this roster since the Clippers trade. I've also loved nearly all of his draft picks. But I'm not Cronin's boss nor an assistant GM he can strategically plan these moves with.

Anything previously given up for Ant, Ayton, Grant, or other players is now a sunk cost so shouldn't be a factor going forward either.

If Cronin is or isn't a laughingstock shouldn't impact trades he does. The motivation should be - does this trade move the franchise closer to long term success?

I highly doubt Cronin give a care what nerds like us think about his skills and abilities, he has a very exclusive job for a reason and drafts quite well.

The move for Deni feels like he got a solid Roi so I think he has the ability to make solid moves now that the roster isn’t so lopsided and undersized. I just hope his greed doesn’t keep the roster intact in its current form.

Ant to Orlando would be a good fit for both teams depending on return. Would hope for Black but wouldn’t hate Anthony as Scoots backup.

Grant to Denver or Milwaukee or possibly the Celtics would be interesting no idea what would come back?

Think Ayton stays put, he waited too long to turn it on.

Walker and Reath playing some G league make me think the moves we see might be lesser?

Williams, I hope sticks around if for no other reason but to be a good influence on Clingan. Or trade him if the value lines up.

Thybulle isn’t playing this year unless we trade him it seems? Or does he really have an ankle that bad?

 

[blazerkor]

Curious, what's stupid about it? DA is performing above a level anyone hoped for, his skillset is a perfect match for the current lineup, and he's young and really good. Clingan is really a couple years from being a starting caliber center for this team, and is getting all the minutes he needs. Rob is just a great player to have as needed, especially next year when they're in the playoffs.

Really it's just that we wouldn't be giving enough time to Clingan in that situation or you sit guys who could contribute to meaningful wins elsewhere. I think you and I have a fundamental disagreement and that is that you think any win is a good win and I think only wins that lead to a new level of experience or success are wins that have worth... meaning if our wins aren't getting us to the playoffs then they are counterproductive. Tenth worst record in the league is about as bad as it gets in terms of having maximized the value of a season for the future of your franchise.

Also, keeping a logjam at C on a team with no real path to the playoffs doesn't seem wise to me. Regardless of if all three Cs are separately good to have on the roster, I don't think three Cs, all of whom should garner significant PT, makes a lot of sense in todays NBA. That's not me saying that we should give any of them away but I think there's a real market for Rob.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Really it's just that we wouldn't be giving enough time to Clingan in that situation or you sit guys who could contribute to meaningful wins elsewhere. I think you and I have a fundamental disagreement and that is that you think any win is a good win and I think only wins that lead to a new level of experience or success are wins that have worth... meaning if our wins aren't getting us to the playoffs then they are counterproductive. Tenth worst record in the league is about as bad as it gets in terms of having maximized the value of a season for the future of your franchise.

Also, keeping a logjam at C on a team with no real path to the playoffs doesn't seem wise to me. Regardless of if all three Cs are separately good to have on the roster, I don't think three Cs, all of whom should garner significant PT, makes a lot of sense in todays NBA. That's not me saying that we should give any of them away but I think there's a real market for Rob.

I mean the answer is simple - try to shop Rob and get a FRP or bundle him with something else to get a FRP. If not then keep him.

Clingan and Rob both miss about half the games so I think its fine to keep all 3 of these guys if we can't get anything better than a second round pick.

Try to flip Ayton/Rob next summer for certain and just do a buyout with Ayton if he is still here at the 2026 deadline.

 

[blazerkor]

Were your travel plans changed sir???

Um... I thought this was clever but it's pretty dumb since we're in the middle of a home stand and play at home on Thurday night... yeah so what @THE HCP posted doesn't apply to him or anyone else who works for our team... just in case "our team" confused @THE HCP I mean the Blazers.

 

[THE HCP]

Were your travel plans changed sir???

Does not affect/effect us FAMS! We head out the next morning to Minny.

 

[blazerkor]

Does not affect/effect us FAMS! We head out the next morning to Minny.

Yeah, I eventually figured that out. I was a little slow on the uptake on that one.

 

[THE HCP]

Um... I thought this was clever but it's pretty dumb since we're in the middle of a home stand and play at home on Thurday night... yeah so what @THE HCP posted doesn't apply to him or anyone else who works for our team... just in case "our team" confused @THE HCP I mean the Blazers.

I believe this in reference to my recent change in jobs.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I believe this in reference to my recent change in jobs.

What change in jobs? Please tell me these fucktards didn’t promote you to conditioning coach

 

[Irish Trader]

Would anybody consider this trade if it allowed movement of one of our guards down the road.

 

[cdub503]

Would anybody consider this trade if it allowed movement of one of our guards down the road.View attachment 70795

We do not need to be getting beal for any damn reason

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Would anybody consider this trade if it allowed movement of one of our guards down the road.View attachment 70795

Not at all.

 

[Irish Trader]

We could do worse with the players gone in this trade.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Any trade that brings in another under sized guard who can only score is an auto fail for me --- NOW if this guard can shoot 3's and play some D and 6'4 maybe 5 or better then I might be game for it but no more guards who are over paid and are average at best on D and maybe more important takes minutes from Scoot or Sharpe.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

We could do worse with the players gone in this trade.

Not by much worse.

Beal is the worst contract in the NBA right now. He's a 7th/8th man talent being paid like a superstar (for 3 more years).

 

[Irish Trader]

Not saying this is the perfect deal but he is 6'4" Grants contract is 102 million over the next three years alone. Beal 110 million next two years. You cannot teach shooting. Henderson, Sharp and Beal or some combination of the bench would be pretty substantial.

 

[Irish Trader]

Thybulle and Williams will cost us 25 million next year. So the trade woud save us 17 Million in the next three years

 

[Natebishop3]

Beal wouldn’t come here. He wouldn’t waive his no trade clause. It’s all moot.

 

[Irish Trader]

Beal wouldn’t come here. He wouldn’t waive his no trade clause. It’s all moot.

You never know the way the Blazers beat the hell of out Phoenix last game and the environment he is in he might. Maybe Phoenix is not showing him the love he wants at this time. But it is an issue with the no trade in his contract. It would not be the first time a player waived this right.