Trade Deadline: February 6, 2025

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Ripcity4life77 said:
SI.com had a trade idea of Ayton to the Pistons for Ron Holland II, Isaiah Stewart, and a 2025 second-round draft pick

not the worst idea but the Pistons are not that dumb anymore -- last year maybe but now that they brought in Langdon to head things that team is starting to show they have a direction ... unlike the Blazers but maybe Cronin can prove me wrong and trade a vet or two soon.

I will say it feels like Pistons get the shaft in this deal -- Blazers might have to add Rupert to the deal ( I would not ) but I think that would make it more fair
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Damn this would be fantastic but I'm afraid it won't materialize.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
What type of picks could we get from Houston?


In looking at their picks available, I think Portland could get 3-4 second rounders.
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I'd still love to hold out for a 1st, even a late one. We sold off 2 seconds last year because of roster crunch. Obviously there's more moves to be made, and 4 2nds can help grease the wheels on future deals. I'd just hope to get Houston and OKC to bid against eachother, since each have a lot of picks they CAN move.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
What type of picks could we get from Houston?


In looking at their picks available, I think Portland could get 3-4 second rounders.
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first thing is that Londale for Timelord works. It would put Houston over the tax line but not over the 1st apron. It would also drop the Blazers far enough below the tax line that they could use the TPE from the Lillard trade....if they wanted. In fact, if Londale's contract is not guaranteed, then maybe the Blazers can immediately waive Londale putting them 15M below the tax line. That could mean they could use their full-MLE (12.8M) as a trade chip. With the 250K auto-credit on top, that would mean the Blazers would have a 13M lever available to pry a 1st round pick from some team desperate to cut salary

now, I'm not sure all of that is accurate, but if it is, then leveraging a 1st round pick for Timelord might be less of a priority

right now, Houston's 2025 first would be the 27th pick. But Houston has the right to swap it's first with Phoenix; and currently, that Phoenix pick could fall in the 12th-15th range. Houston won't trade that for Timelord. Their 2026 first? maybe, especially if Houston believes they will be a top team next season

looking at their incoming/outgoing 2nd's, most of Houston's 2nd's will be late 2nd's and that's not very appealing, even if it was 3 or 4 of them. Still, to clear that much salary before the trade deadline might be enough to land an extra first, one way or the other

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
 
wizenheimer said:
first thing is that Londale for Timelord works. It would put Houston over the tax line but not over the 1st apron. It would also drop the Blazers far enough below the tax line that they could use the TPE from the Lillard trade....if they wanted. In fact, if Londale's contract is not guaranteed, then maybe the Blazers can immediately waive Londale putting them 15M below the tax line. That could mean they could use their full-MLE (12.8M) as a trade chip. With the 250K auto-credit on top, that would mean the Blazers would have a 13M lever available to pry a 1st round pick from some team desperate to cut salary

now, I'm not sure all of that is accurate, but if it is, then leveraging a 1st round pick for Timelord might be less of a priority

right now, Houston's 2025 first would be the 27th pick. But Houston has the right to swap it's first with Phoenix; and currently, that Phoenix pick could fall in the 12th-15th range. Houston won't trade that for Timelord. Their 2026 first? maybe, especially if Houston believes they will be a top team next season

looking at their incoming/outgoing 2nd's, most of Houston's 2nd's will be late 2nd's and that's not very appealing, even if it was 3 or 4 of them. Still, to clear that much salary before the trade deadline might be enough to land an extra first, one way or the other

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
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From what I can see, houston is 10 million under the tax, so adding RW3 wouldn't push them over.
As for Londale, his contract this year is fully guaranteed. However, even without the mle stuff, he could still hold value to teams looking to shed next year salary if we flipped him.
 
wizenheimer said:
first thing is that Londale for Timelord works. It would put Houston over the tax line but not over the 1st apron. It would also drop the Blazers far enough below the tax line that they could use the TPE from the Lillard trade....if they wanted. In fact, if Londale's contract is not guaranteed, then maybe the Blazers can immediately waive Londale putting them 15M below the tax line. That could mean they could use their full-MLE (12.8M) as a trade chip. With the 250K auto-credit on top, that would mean the Blazers would have a 13M lever available to pry a 1st round pick from some team desperate to cut salary

now, I'm not sure all of that is accurate, but if it is, then leveraging a 1st round pick for Timelord might be less of a priority

right now, Houston's 2025 first would be the 27th pick. But Houston has the right to swap it's first with Phoenix; and currently, that Phoenix pick could fall in the 12th-15th range. Houston won't trade that for Timelord. Their 2026 first? maybe, especially if Houston believes they will be a top team next season

looking at their incoming/outgoing 2nd's, most of Houston's 2nd's will be late 2nd's and that's not very appealing, even if it was 3 or 4 of them. Still, to clear that much salary before the trade deadline might be enough to land an extra first, one way or the other

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
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His contract is now fully guaranteed for this season. No way to cut him and get $15M below the tax line.

His future seasons are all non-guaranteed though.
 
ok then....delete the Londale-->MLE idea

still, if the Blazers can leverage Houston's 2026 first for Timelord while deleting Timelord's 13.3M salary next year that's a pretty good deal

and, it probably would still be a good deal with 2nd's instead of that first
 
inconceivable said:
If Cronin can get a FRP for Timelord, I will start believing in him again, maybe
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If that's all he does and both Ant and Jerami are on our roster for the rest of the season, not even getting a FRP for Rob will make me think that Joe is anything more than a terrible GM.
 
blazerkor said:
If that's all he does and both Ant and Jerami are on our roster for the rest of the season, not even getting a FRP for Rob will make me think that Joe is anything more than a terrible GM.
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you will be thinking joe is a bad gm. Grant and Ant won't be moved. Neither will Ayton, of course. It's no secret Timelord cant play a lot of games. He will net a couple a seconds. It doesn't help his case any to wonder WTF he matched DAL's offer for Matisse. Another head scratcher. Even if healthy, Matisse is not what POR needs.
 
wizenheimer said:
no to Tate unless Londale isn't part of it

sounds like Houston is pretty interested. Just hope Cronin don't overplay his hand
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I suspect there's a plurality to the teams that would be interested in Timelord. The dude is impactful despite his limitations. I think of PJ Tucker 2021 Championship Bucks X Factor potential. Cronin's job is to get those teams compete.
 
wizenheimer said:
no to Tate unless Londale isn't part of it

sounds like Houston is pretty interested. Just hope Cronin don't overplay his hand
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They literally offered 3 2nds last trade deadline since that's what they ended up using on Adams after pivoting.

I can't imagine the Blazers would want to do that since not much has changed except now Williams is healthy (as opposed to last season when he was injured and the Rockets STILL offered 3 2nds)
 
Some around the league have wondered if the Cleveland Cavaliers would give serious thought to the idea of pursuing Johnson in order to push for a championship this season. A move to do so would result in the Cavs likely needing to trade away Caris LeVert, a key secondary talent like Georges Niang, and possibly 2024 first-round pick Jaylon Tyson since they don't have virtually any first-round draft picks to give up.

The idea of Cleveland leveraging LeVert has been met with hesitance around the league. Still, the belief is that the Cavs will make some sort of move to bolster their overall depth. Like Johnson, Jerami Grant continues to be a name associated with Cleveland if this organization were to swing for the fences before the deadline.
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No picks. Straight up trade.
 

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https://clutchpoints.com/sources-rockets-robert-williams-iii-trade-buzz-surges-ime-udoka-exchange

Portland still isn't sold one way or the other on trading Williams and is simply feeling out the market for what a possible return for him could look like over the next two weeks. A decision to possibly trade Williams will come down to whether the Blazers believe they are getting a good enough return for a player they specifically wanted from the Celtics.

As far as the Rockets' pursuit of Williams goes, two expiring salaries of Landale and Tate likely wouldn't move the needle, even if multiple second-round picks were attached to said deal. If Houston were to offer Landale, Whitmore, and two or three second-round picks, that should get Portland's stamp of approval.

The Rockets like Williams and believe his skill set is exactly what they lack in the frontcourt at the moment. Whether or not Houston looks to capitalize on its championship potential this season by bolstering the frontcourt with a name Udoka is familiar with remains to be seen.
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Cam makes Ant look like John Stockton passing the ball, but I still make that trade
 
B-Roy said:
https://clutchpoints.com/sources-rockets-robert-williams-iii-trade-buzz-surges-ime-udoka-exchange
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I understand negotiating 101

but I'm not buying the notion that the Blazers really wanted Timelord and are thinking he's part of Portland's future. It's possible that Cronin thought Timelord would be an easier player to trade than whoever else Boston was offering. And Timelord may have been the only player, besides Brogdon, Boston was willing to part with. In fact, since Celtics had traded Smart, Gallo, and Muscala for Porzingis 3 months earlier, Timelord may have been the only contract that worked with Brogdon. I'd assume they had no intention of trading White
 
RR7 said:
Cam makes Ant look like John Stockton passing the ball, but I still make that trade
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Not sure why you'd compare those two. Cam is a play finisher and a damn good one already.
 
B-Roy said:
Not sure why you'd compare those two. Cam is a play finisher and a damn good one already.
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Not necessarily a "comparison" just a joke that everyone complains about Ant being a black hole, and Cam is far worse in that regards.
 
RR7 said:
Not necessarily a "comparison" just a joke that everyone complains about Ant being a black hole, and Cam is far worse in that regards.
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One is "supposed" to be a PG... The other is a wing. Much different roles, and therefore the metric of being a black hole is different too.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
One is "supposed" to be a PG... The other is a wing. Much different roles, and therefore the metric of being a black hole is different too.
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Yes. Just a joke. Nevermind.
 
Video that breaks it down.

"Why are the Utah Jazz doing this?

They are betting against the future of the Phoenix Suns."

"Why are the Suns doing this?

Because of the Stepien Rule.

It unlocks the Suns to trade picks in the next 6 years."

Bradley Beal possibly going to Milwaukee or Toronto. If Milwaukee, Pat Connaughton would have to be moved to become a 1st tier apron team.

 
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