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Rand Paul calling Trumpcare Dead on Arrival, especially with Sen. Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz also in opposition. The idea that they want to do this in three chunks is fine, but lets not be adding any additional entitlements. Sadly the GOP has had 8 freaking years to plan the end of this atrocity. But first and foremost, repeal the whole thing in its entirety. We already have COBRA overages for when people get laid off....pass a 6 month COBRA bill to cover Obamacare victims, and then build a healthcare overhaul system from scratch. What DC needs is a law that says laws can't be more than 10 pages.

COBRA has been and always will be a fkng joke ...!!!

When I retired in 04, a good friend and co-worker was going out on the DL, or a temporary leave of absence; which we all knew would be a permanent or very long term LOA. The company policy for a LOA salary employee, allows for personnel to remain covered under the Health Insurance, and receive 100% of their weekly pay, with a minor adjustment in reducing ones pay after 6 mos, until their pay equals 60% of their weekly total. After one year, if one cannot come back to work. and if the company does not extend their LOA; they are then given their COBRA.

He was was grossing >$1, 700 weekly; at the time of a near fatal car accident. His Cobra monthly premium for his Health Insurance alone, through, Blue Cross-PPO coverage (via Cobra), was approximately more than he made in one week, or $2,583 to be exact. Not enough years to retire, or draw his pension, he wound up on Medi-Care, where he still has no decent health insurance; couldn't afford his COBRA like most American's can't.

It shocks me how many working American's think COBRA will cover them. It will cover them, but at a price so UN-affordable it's mentally dehabilitating to one who is already disabled physically, and doesn't need the head-case anger over bullshit cobra insurance, only designed for execs, high level pay jobs and the people who have them.... COBRA and Obumacare, or Donaldcutcare (manicures, pedicures, hair dye, spray on suntans all covered??? Xanax for all???), it's all the same bs- again.... more deception... :dammit:
 
Rand Paul calling Trumpcare Dead on Arrival, especially with Sen. Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz also in opposition. The idea that they want to do this in three chunks is fine, but lets not be adding any additional entitlements. Sadly the GOP has had 8 freaking years to plan the end of this atrocity. But first and foremost, repeal the whole thing in its entirety. We already have COBRA overages for when people get laid off....pass a 6 month COBRA bill to cover Obamacare victims, and then build a healthcare overhaul system from scratch. What DC needs is a law that says laws can't be more than 10 pages.

...^^^ This !...they gotta completely gut Obama Care first.

...the bill they are trying to get passed right now does very little as far as the big picture goes. Many of the Reps are concerned that a total repeal would cause too much confusion...but if you think about it, do you recall the initial confusion of Obama Care?...hell the website to enlist was not even running properly...yet we still survived that calamity.
... And the majority of the members of the House/Senate didn't even read what they were voting on...gee, I can't imagine why, it was only 2000 pages long !

...IMO, the federal government has no business regulating who of us has insurance and how we acquire it...unless of course we're talking about a form of socialized medicine.
 
Rand Paul calling Trumpcare Dead on Arrival, especially with Sen. Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz also in opposition. The idea that they want to do this in three chunks is fine, but lets not be adding any additional entitlements. Sadly the GOP has had 8 freaking years to plan the end of this atrocity. But first and foremost, repeal the whole thing in its entirety. We already have COBRA overages for when people get laid off....pass a 6 month COBRA bill to cover Obamacare victims, and then build a healthcare overhaul system from scratch. What DC needs is a law that says laws can't be more than 10 pages.

Tote, no offense ever toward you or your viewpoint, as you should know, always.... I admire ya' too much otherwise...:notworthy:

Isn't that a big part of the GOP debacle itself, they never bothered to do anything like work on a proper replacement plan; (knowing they had a good shot at repeal)? To sit for 8 yrs, and not come up with a workable, feasible, sensible health insurance plan for American's. To do nothing to correct a noted problem in advance, and sit on their hands...! Honestly, the GOP had no more clue then, as to what to do, other than to do nothing, and they did nothing, but sit by, innocent bystanders? No.... no one watching was innocent. To sit back and do nothing would be indefensible to all. To do nothing is to shit on the American people. Keep in mind, many working employees, were told, "Your health insurance coverage will NOT change while you remain employed." They were told you are exempt from Obumacare under our own insurance contracts. Other corporations told their employees, we flat out don't know what to expect in the next year to come with Obumacare, and how it will effect you".

These working stiff's health care did change greatly, much higher premiums, up to 400% higher, as well as Out of Pocket expenses, 500% increases, et al, on and on. To make matters worse, current retirees, or vets planning on retiring were told the same: "your benefits will remain the same as they were before Obumacare, and you will see no changes." What a crock of shit, they did change big time, excess costs incurred, an out of control health care system.
In my opinion the GOP owes America a replacement plan.

To say repeal, the try to figure out how to replace, or pick up the pieces without replacement, would be no different imho, than Nancy Pelosi saying: "we got to pass it to understand what it says". What is the difference, b/t repealing with no safety nets? It's imo one and the same, let's vote for repeal, then figure out how to fix this mega fk up, without making it worse; or "let's shoot first, ask Q's later, and while we're at it, lets make it a practice to shoot-from the seat of our half cocked Senate pants". Such a frame of mind, I see no difference b/t the two opposing sides.

Again, imo, we will be thankful, and lucky if its not fucked up even more. Since the Un-Affordable Health Care Act should of never been instituted as it stands, yet there have been some huge benefits with the prior un-insured, as expenses to us-, the taxpayers. Taxpayers even under Obumacare, do not have to cover with paying the entire bills of those uninsured, ntm- local public hospital operating losses, which also come out of the taxpayer trough. I have no problem paying taxes to ensure those who have no health insurance, who truly need it, and are not fkng/milking the system, like millions are, right here n this state, ie:

  1. Single Mother's who have numerous children, with several different men/fathers, and have become Welfare baby makers, getting more pay for another child. This is an issue in our fkd up state of Ca. (well, yours too when you get back home, if you don't move to Seattle first).
  2. Men and women, capable of working, whose long lineage of prior males have never worked, and never will. Can we get a few 1K boats with a one way ticket to the Congo????
...^^^ This !...they gotta completely gut Obama Care first.

...the bill they are trying to get passed right now does very little as far as the big picture goes. Many of the Reps are concerned that a total repeal would cause too much confusion...but if you think about it, do you recall the initial confusion of Obama Care?...hell the website to enlist was not even running properly...yet we still survived that calamity.
... And the majority of the members of the House/Senate didn't even read what they were voting on...gee, I can't imagine why, it was only 2000 pages long !

...IMO, the federal government has no business regulating who of us has insurance and how we acquire it...unless of course we're talking about a form of socialized medicine.

^^^^ :tiphat:
I do agree tho': the Fed Govt had no business intervening in our affairs to begin with. However now that they have, and fkd up everything with the (U)AHCA. I see no reason to totally eliminate it, rather fix it, revise it once and for all, and yep it does need some tweaking. I guess bottom-line, I have no confidence left in our Congress to fix anything much anymore. They sat by allowed Obumacare, then worst part, shoved it up our asses. If, all that comes of this, is to legitimately insure the un-insured, then I am all for that, but with specific concessions, not in excess of reason. 2ndly, I'd love but don't expect, those who were gainfully or are employed; whose insurance was effected with Obumacare; or replaced with a higher cost of HI, as well as retiree's who paid for their benefits long in advance, over decades of payroll deductions, should see their own insurance return to what it was prior to Obumacare. Hell any improvements, or returning what we had prior would be a huge bonus, but I don't see this ever happening again, ie a return to private enterprise amongst companies, and those who seek insurance, or get such as a benefit of employment, yet pay for it, just not with the same outrageous premiums, expenses.

2nd bottomline, I am beginning to see some improvement in- some reduction of local taxes in a state that only want's to continue to increase taxes. Already, the reduction of, and burden of paying for the un-insured is evident here in local taxes, and for the first time in years, the public hospital, which all taxpayers bail out, saw a profit this last fiscal year.
my own out of pocket expenses are outrageous...

Perhaps, one of the biggest probs with the U-AHCA, was allowing the Feds to tap into SSI, and allow Illegals access to these funds, when they've been getting free health insurance, and these fkrs do not even have any form of I.D.

If you or I, went to an ER, and told them, we have no I.D. they'd tell us to fk off, even tho' legally a public hospital can't...Dr's offices will tho'; less the illegals. This is the shit I have seen to long with my own eyes.....

'was I unwise to leave them open for so long',
Or should I opt for the ultra dark blind lenses?

a healthy debate over a debacle, no offense meant to any one at any time, ... 合掌
 
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^^^ "Doctor My Eyes" ...from the same guy who helped jump start the Eagles.


...and his Running On Empty album may very well be the greatest live album of all time.
 
^^^ "Doctor My Eyes" ...from the same guy who helped jump start the Eagles.


...and his Running On Empty album may very well be the greatest live album of all time.

^^^ indeed, Glen's first roomate prior to J.D. Souther, (around the Longbranch Pennywhistle days)- another favorite....

Jackson was often referred to as the 5th Eagle in the beginning years.

the most Incredible 3 American musicians imo (for that era): Henley and Frey, Browne, - tho' JD was no slouch; all landing LP contracts with successful first LP releases in 72.

Amazing how these greats started in the trenches together, and found infamy around the globe.... ntm- the tremendous amount of work with other greats, ie Rondstadt, Raitt, Jeff Skunk Baxter, shit, you name it; as I know I'm preaching to the choir... the music scene for these guys, was on huge Hollywood HIlls swimming party after another, greats to be, and come. Most of those parties were either held at Stephen Stills, David Crosby's houses, a slow fusion of Buffalo Springfield into CSNY, the Byrds, et al. Great time to be young, and love music.

Spot on with "Running on Empty" as classic a sound, as it was mastered, like we once spoke of: in a motel room, on a bus, with Kunkel playing drums on wasn't it a cardboard box? Live, and on the road, a great glimpse into a Troubador bands life on the road.

Ry Cooder and David Lindley are also two great inspirations, as much I've come to enjoy as any. But then I fell in love with everyone noteds music, when I first heard them all open their mouths and sing...! Radio or Live. I gotta' say 59, its a pleasure to come here and share musical knowledge, likes, dislikes with like minded people, who know their music like YOU DO...! no question about it, who else do I know who listened to Zappa when he was also young? A PF freak beyond most, as well as most music you've mentioned over all these years, is often as much my own favorite(s).

Over a short period of time, (I know I've mentioned this before), I literally gave away over 500LP's, another 500 cassette's, and kept approximately 100 of each; when CD's first hit the market, thinking I'd slowly replace what i gave away with a better sounding system. Yet, you've mentioned Vinyl Masters, which are just as great sounding as anything, and some prefer Vinyl masters over anything else. I know one has to have primo equipment these days, to get great vinyl sound, equivalent to digital CD's, or as Neil Young said, one cannot get the same live nuances that are as much a part of a song, ie hiccups or mistakes, like hitting the wrong chord, on today's over polished error free recordings, or the live sound; or so Neil said. But what do you think? (Neils OP, comes more imo from a musician who doesn't like to over dub, and try to maintain a live barn sound, which he did record out of with Crazy Horse)

Does a Master sound better than a CD gold? Using similar equipment, which I know you have the best of the best, headphones also.
 
Amazing how these greats started in the trenches together, and found infamy around the globe.... ntm- the tremendous amount of work with other greats, ie Rondstadt, Raitt, Jeff Skunk Baxter, shit, you name it; as I know I'm preaching to the choir... the music scene for these guys, was on huge Hollywood HIlls swimming party after another, greats to be, and come. Most of those parties were either held at Stephen Stills, David Crosby's houses, a slow fusion of Buffalo Springfield into CSNY, the Byrds, et al. Great time to be young, and love music.

Spot on with "Running on Empty" as classic a sound, as it was mastered, like we once spoke of: in a motel room, on a bus, with Kunkel playing drums on wasn't it a cardboard box? Live, and on the road, a great glimpse into a Troubador bands life on the road.

Ry Cooder and David Lindley are also two great inspirations, as much I've come to enjoy as any. But then I fell in love with everyone noteds music, when I first heard them all open their mouths and sing...! Radio or Live. I gotta' say 59, its a pleasure to come here and share musical knowledge, likes, dislikes with like minded people, who know their music like YOU DO...! no question about it, who else do I know who listened to Zappa when he was also young? A PF freak beyond most, as well as most music you've mentioned over all these years, is often as much my own favorite(s).



Does a Master sound better than a CD gold? Using similar equipment, which I know you have the best of the best, headphones also.

...loves me some Bonnie Raitt.

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...Russ Kunkel was always a very under-rated drummer IMO...and yeah, he was playing a snare drum and used a cardboard box with a foot pedal instead of a bass drum on "Nothing but Time" which was recorded on a Greyhound Silver Eagle bus as they were traveling to their next gig...if you listen close you can even here the rumble of the bus' motor in the background.



...and Kunkel ended up marrying my heart throb Nicolette Larson and was at her side when she died.

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...still listen to Zappa and The Floyd quite often.

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the MFSL master recordings are by far the best IMO...(I have several)

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=MFSL master recordings&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=MFSL master recordings&tbm=shop&*

...and as far as headphones, I still use my old reliable 40 year old Sennheisers but also have a newer set of Grado Professionals.
 
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Rob I pictured you in Dr Dre's or Beats....

bbwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa
:roflmao::biglaugh:

I knew I should of covered those up, before you came over....my secrets forever ruined....lmao.
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Next, probably the Bearenstein Bears, or Sponge Bob Square pants....
 
You completely gut Obamacare first....Repeal the whole damn thing period. My point about Cobra or Cobra like bridge is to take away the Schumer and Pelosi show or parading out all the making America sick again poster children. Because with the repeal you have to do it quick or they will find judges to intervene. You demonstrate there is a bridge and that no harm being done to anyone. Next you remove state line boundaries. You think Kaiser CA is gonna let customers walk to plans in Arizona or Nevada? Miraculously their pricing drops. Next you let small biz collectives form to achieve numbers like large corps have. Let insurance companies keep AHA incentives for healthy lifestyles in return for pre existing conditions. Reduce coverage to dependents only, children back to 22, not 26. This opens Young folks to select health care savings accounts. Also drives home the point that college is a 2 or 4 year gig, not a career.

I'd prefer to overhaul Medicare Medicaid completely and tie program into veteran care. Would also like to see means testing, entitlements only to those with measurable need.

Your SSN is both your tax and medical plan ID. You chose not to have healthcare and end up in an ER, you Still have to pay your bill either lein against your SSI or some other form of financing, etc. If done right we don't have illegals showing up anyway to drain the system.

So who gets left behind.... Unemployed. I'm fine with making corporations legally responsible for their headcount rather than burdening govt and general population for their poor hiring decisions. Corporate America is gonna get tax breaks and even more so, regulatory relief so they can maintain HC bene's for those they layoff.
 
...^^^unless I'm mistaken, as it is now, if you're 75 years of age or older, and you are diagnosed with cancer, they will not cover you, period.

...I can go along with "gutting Obamacare first"...and I can go along with "removing state lines"...but as far as the rest of your solution, I'm not so sure.
 
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Trump through his holy ghost Spicer> "Obama didn't really wiretap me. His administration did it" ... p04s175y.jpg Horse manure is the same as Bull S.
 
You completely gut Obamacare first....Repeal the whole damn thing period. My point about Cobra or Cobra like bridge is to take away the Schumer and Pelosi show or parading out all the making America sick again poster children. Because with the repeal you have to do it quick or they will find judges to intervene. You demonstrate there is a bridge and that no harm being done to anyone. Next you remove state line boundaries. You think Kaiser CA is gonna let customers walk to plans in Arizona or Nevada? Miraculously their pricing drops. Next you let small biz collectives form to achieve numbers like large corps have. Let insurance companies keep AHA incentives for healthy lifestyles in return for pre existing conditions. Reduce coverage to dependents only, children back to 22, not 26. This opens Young folks to select health care savings accounts. Also drives home the point that college is a 2 or 4 year gig, not a career.

I'd prefer to overhaul Medicare Medicaid completely and tie program into veteran care. Would also like to see means testing, entitlements only to those with measurable need.

Your SSN is both your tax and medical plan ID. You chose not to have healthcare and end up in an ER, you Still have to pay your bill either lein against your SSI or some other form of financing, etc. If done right we don't have illegals showing up anyway to drain the system.

So who gets left behind.... Unemployed. I'm fine with making corporations legally responsible for their headcount rather than burdening govt and general population for their poor hiring decisions. Corporate America is gonna get tax breaks and even more so, regulatory relief so they can maintain HC bene's for those they layoff.

^^^ thanks for going into specifics, makes a lot more sense, other than repeal alone, with no end in sight.

I'd feel a whole lot better about all this, IF we could get an amendment to this all, which allows for the citizens of Caly to hang and lynch Pelosi/Feinstein, at the Town Square (downtown L.A.) during the next Illegal Immigrant rally. That would be all I ask, throw in Gov Moonbeam; Harry Reid, a few dozen others, retired or not, they've made our lives miserable, as well as their colleagues, whom I'm sure: if murder were legal would join in on the fracas....
 

"seriously?" :biglaugh:


^^^^ with Alex Jones on one's side, who needs a self imploding strategy, or enemies, it's all a conspiracy.....lol...!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)

Trump bombast's "fake news" then supposedly calls Alex Jones.....:doh::smiley-hmm::smiley-hmm: Some things just make no sense....
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/politics/alex-jones-trump-call.html
 
Not sure how accurate this is but if it's true it's more fucked up than Obama Care;

"If the GOP plan is enacted, a 21-year-old making $68,200 would pay an average of $1,450 for a year’s worth of insurance premiums after the new tax credits, compared with $5,100 under the current law.

On the other hand, the cost of a year’s worth of premiums would stay about the same for a 64-year-old at the same income level. For a 64-year-old making $26,500, the cost would rise sharply from $1,700 to $14,600."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...4c860a-0829-11e7-93dc-00f9bdd74ed1_story.html
 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-trumpcare-will-be-a-nightmare-for-women.html



"On Monday, the long-awaited Congressional Budget Office analysis of the proposed GOP Obamacare replacement came down the pike. Like many on both sides of the aisle expected, it was an avalanche of bad news for Republicans who thought the American Health Care Act would be an easy sell to their constituents. It was also bad news for President Trump, who will have a hard time peddling a kneecapping of health care coverage for low-income and older women as some sort of “investment.”

The report put actual numbers on how many people would be left uninsured by the ACA rollback—24 million kicked off insurance and an additional $880 billion gouged from Medicaid, all in the name of a measly 1 percent reduction in the deficit.

The numbers don’t adequately convey the scope of humanity they debase. Overall premiums decrease under the plan, but that’s only because a large number of people are being kicked off, and older Americans will face a debilitating spike in premiums. Slashing the Medicaid expansion means that low-income families will see reduced access to health care. Allowing premiums for older people to shoot skyward means that a 64-year-old making $24,000 per year will see half of their income go toward the cost of covering medical insurance.?


 
This is why govt needs to repeal...put in a temporary safety net and let the market sort things out. Govt should not be in the position to pick winners and losers, only set some basic regulatory framework. Healthcare has associated cost and those costs are independent of your income and unfortunately dependent on your age, genetics and lifestyle.

Have you read the Paul plan?

https://www.paul.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/ObamacareReplacementActSections.pdf
 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-trumpcare-will-be-a-nightmare-for-women.html



"On Monday, the long-awaited Congressional Budget Office analysis of the proposed GOP Obamacare replacement came down the pike. Like many on both sides of the aisle expected, it was an avalanche of bad news for Republicans who thought the American Health Care Act would be an easy sell to their constituents. It was also bad news for President Trump, who will have a hard time peddling a kneecapping of health care coverage for low-income and older women as some sort of “investment.”

The report put actual numbers on how many people would be left uninsured by the ACA rollback—24 million kicked off insurance and an additional $880 billion gouged from Medicaid, all in the name of a measly 1 percent reduction in the deficit.

The numbers don’t adequately convey the scope of humanity they debase. Overall premiums decrease under the plan, but that’s only because a large number of people are being kicked off, and older Americans will face a debilitating spike in premiums. Slashing the Medicaid expansion means that low-income families will see reduced access to health care. Allowing premiums for older people to shoot skyward means that a 64-year-old making $24,000 per year will see half of their income go toward the cost of covering medical insurance.?


http://freebeacon.com/issues/cbo-american-health-care-act-will-reduce-deficit-337-billion/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-white-houses-cbo-blues/article/2007194

some alternative perspective to balance NYT and dailybeast, lol!

oh and here's the plan from Heritage Foundation, like the Paul plan, opposed creation of any more entitlements.

http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/report/plan-repeal-and-replace-obamacare
 
http://freebeacon.com/issues/cbo-american-health-care-act-will-reduce-deficit-337-billion/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-white-houses-cbo-blues/article/2007194

some alternative perspective to balance NYT and dailybeast, lol!

oh and here's the plan from Heritage Foundation, like the Paul plan, opposed creation of any more entitlements.

http://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/report/plan-repeal-and-replace-obamacare



..."alternative perspective'?...really?...how is that?...how does that counter what I posted? ...it doesn't.

...saving "$337 Billion"?...(sounds like a lot, but it's not...it's actually $33.7 Billion a year for the next 10 years)...(less than 1% of the current deficit, ...yeah, that's some HUGE deficit reduction)... that's what you and the rest of the Trumptians are hanging your hat on?
...we don't even know what the budget/deficit will be in 10 years so how do we know what effect this may or may not have? Trump promised he would "take care of everyone"...and he lied...again.

...like me, you've been preaching that Obamacare must be completely "gutted" first, yet you're defending this half baked version of Trumpcare...please, pick one or the other, you can't have it both ways.
 
...and oh, just so you won't use your usual myopic link bashing, this was taken from the same site you linked...enjoy;

http://www.heritage.org/health-care...sons-the-gops-obamacare-plan-isnt-real-repeal


...don't ya just hate it when that happens?
Hate it? No, not at all. Conservatives hate this plan more than the left. What I appreciate is the completely sane and rationale tone of that piece vs the insanely over emotional and contrived bs found at daily beast, huffpo, NYT, etc.

This is all in the GOP, they completely lack a plan for success, At some point I think you'll see the WH pivot to one of these more conservative plans. Just remember most of the GOP loathes conservatives as much as you do Trump, lol. The soon we shrink govt the better, because then the power goes too. What the most of the GOP leadership fails to see is that the reward for having control to reduce the power of govt would hand them sustained election wins.
 
..."alternative perspective'?...really?...how is that?...how does that counter what I posted? ...it doesn't.

...saving "$337 Billion"?...(sounds like a lot, but it's not...it's actually $33.7 Billion a year for the next 10 years)...(less than 1% of the current deficit, ...yeah, that's some HUGE deficit reduction)... that's what you and the rest of the Trumptians are hanging your hat on?
...we don't even know what the budget/deficit will be in 10 years so how do we know what effect this may or may not have? Trump promised he would "take care of everyone"...and he lied...again.

...like me, you've been preaching that Obamacare must be completely "gutted" first, yet you're defending this half baked version of Trumpcare...please, pick one or the other, you can't have it both ways.
Never said I supported ACHA or Trumpcare. And budget reductions matter, regardless of size.

Call me whatever name you want if that makes you feel better. But all I see is a 9 month rant and not one single constructive solution.
 
Never said I supported ACHA or Trumpcare.
...then what exactly is your argument?...do you even know?

And budget reductions matter, regardless of size.
...regardless of size?...perhaps...regardless of consequences?...No.

Call me whatever name you want if that makes you feel better. But all I see is a 9 month rant and not one single constructive solution.

lol...what name did I call you?...you mean Trumptian?...you mean you have not been staunchly defending him every time something negative has been said about him?

...and sorry, but yes you did support Trumpcare in your last post...if not, please explain the link that you claim offers "alternative perspective"... is that anything like "alternative facts"? I posted something complaining about this new bill and you tried to counter it, as you have been for months. Spin it however you like but yes, that means you are supporting it. Or, you're simply arguing just to argue.
...and stop acting like you are somehow now taking the high road on name calling, hypocrite. Evidently, in your alternate universe it's OK for you to broadly refer to someone who refuses to drink the Trump kool-aid as a "libtard" but it's somehow wrong to refer to you as a "Trumptian"... how do you explain this type of logic?

...as far as "constructive solutions", I'm not the fucking President, and neither are you so what's the point? Can you justify what this master plan of Trump's is going to do to older folks who are on a very limited income?...yes or no?...I'll wait.
 
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Hate it? No, not at all. Conservatives hate this plan more than the left. What I appreciate is the completely sane and rationale tone of that piece vs the insanely over emotional and contrived bs found at daily beast, huffpo, NYT, etc.

...lol..."contrived"?...exactly what was contrived?..answer, nothing. But once again, there's your weekly news source bashing...you don't dispute the news itself, but instead only the source of where that news comes from.
...what makes you think outlets who cater to the right are any more/less accurate/biased than those who tend to lean to the left?

...and what fucking difference does it make as far as where the news comes from?...can you dispute what those links said?...yes or no?
 
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this just in, since we got back in. 1 & 1/2 hrs ago.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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The ruling means the 90-day ban on new visa approvals won’t be enforced beginning Thursday, as intended by the White House. The decision by the judge in Honolulu to block the policy nationwide will almost certainly be appealed by the Trump administration and could reach the U.S. Supreme Court.

The judge is one of three across the U.S. who spent Wednesday weighing whether to impose a temporary halt on the president’s second travel ban, which was tailored by administration lawyers to stand up to the legal challenges that imperiled its predecessor. Revisions to the order weren’t enough to convince him that the ban was free of religious discrimination.


U.S. District Judge Derrick Watson said in his ruling that a reasonable person would conclude that the “stated secular purpose” of the order is “secondary to a religious objective” of temporarily suspending the entry of Muslims.
 
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there has to be a way to write, or revise this and have it passed by the Supreme Court, without reference to Muslim people or nations. Or-...

One would think over decades of time, people would realize (as many have), that religion with radical intents to integrate within; and eliminate the infidels, (being us), would make it more than acceptable to disallow travel of any threat(s) to Our nation. Radical ISLAM, Muslim, are bona fide Enemies of the State in any wolves clothing, even if it's hiding behind burkas, and other Sharia Law/Religious garb.

Where there is no separation of church and state, as with many nations, then one's state is their religion, and one's religion is their state, their entire personae albeit religion or state, is at the stakes of a Jihad/War. I thought we learned as much from the Fkng Crusades for chrisssakes...!!!


When zealous religions, and organizations, or the people who lead mass terror, have but one intent, disguised behind the freedom of religion;, of which they're not entitled to have to begin with, being non-American Foreigners. Yet petty judges, attempt and do, throw out road blocks, demanding a dangerous future for our nation, in this era, for non-discriminatory hiding behind our constitutional freedoms

Whose the wiser,- ?
1- those trying to disallow terror, and travel to our nation?
2- The fkng Libtards, who wan't to continue supplying rope (visas) to their own hanging(s); same as bullets for the next mass shooting.
Or-
3- the terrorists desiring our heads? Imo, I see no differences b/t #2-3
 
^^^the problem is, the bill was doomed to failure to begin with. It should have never been submitted the way it is currently structured.

...and the gutless wonder who calls himself Paul Ryan, will deservedly take the fall for this faux pas.
 
There is so much extraneous government waste in the current budget that there is too much to list. The arts can survive with private funding just like npr and the rest of them. Most of these departments went up in there budgets 30 to 40% under obama as did the way overbloated state department. Trump is adding to security, defense and our vets which should be the priorities. Not talking about you 59 but I'm so tired of these backstabbing liberal weinies and these activist judges; the latest in Hawaii who somehow can't comprehend the constitution but rules based on his personal feelings and innuendos to come to their bullshit rulings. How this pork brain asshole judge in Hawaii thinks he has a better clue of what the security risks of the US are better than the president is just a joke.
 

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