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^^^Never said traveling to another planet was impossible...my point is that it becomes moot if the Earth is reduced to a lifeless cinder after all the "WW III" nukes are launched.
 
yankeesince59 said:
^^^Never said traveling to another planet was impossible...my point is that it becomes moot if the Earth is reduced to a lifeless cinder after all the "WW III" nukes are launched.
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no doubt, and yeah it kind of surprises me, due to the budget cuts over decades with NASA, tho' Musk has his vision, and no doubt in time it will happen. I'd hate to see Nukes launched, yet I don't trust either the NORKS or Iran.

I'm kind of surprised this nation hasn't found a way to neutralize the lil' dick, his dad and grandad, over all these years. I think there's been more than discussions with China, or so I hope...
One would hope China could neutralize the regime, tho' a madman can't be bartered with....
 
Mattingly23NY said:
no doubt, and yeah it kind of surprises me, due to the budget cuts over decades with NASA, tho' Musk has his vision, and no doubt in time it will happen. I'd hate to see Nukes launched, yet I don't trust either the NORKS or Iran.

I'm kind of surprised this nation hasn't found a way to neutralize the lil' dick, his dad and grandad, over all these years. I think there's been more than discussions with China, or so I hope...
One would hope China could neutralize the regime, tho' a madman can't be bartered with....
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...I actually think that Musk or some other individual or private company has a better chance of interplanetary colonization than our bureaucratic government.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I actually think that Musk or some other individual or private company has a better chance of interplanetary colonization than our bureaucratic government.
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^^^^....
with all the bs govt's in-ability to fund massive programs let alone agree upon anything period; and the pitiful lack and loss of capital due to fraud, waste in such program's over decades; the dollar figures are beyond belief. That is, programs funded that never come to fruition, then put off and on again, funding ghosts of programs.... since latter 70's- eg, "The Orient Express", and/or "Star Wars" shield programs, .... tho' some headways have been made, nothing near as originally proposed and planned; more importantly appropriated, paid for, with no finished products on time, not even close...

what did come out of the OE and SW's, came 2-3 decades after such programs were paid for time and time again, what we should of had in space in the year 2012, died on a engineers drawing board(s) in the latter 80's....again paid for with duplicated program re-starts, changing major sub=contractors over and over decades.... The tech learned from such, wouldn't come to any form of fruition physically until lately with an unmanned recovery mini-space shuttle. With a few methods of shielding America, also decades after their initial ECD...

So yeah, a private entrenpeneur stands to go beyond, faster and further than our screwed up broken systemic failures in govt, and NASA....
 
Obviously this administration will likely punt on NASA as a priority unless someone explains that the tallest structures on the Moon and Mars could be designed and built on his watch.

All the private sector work is encouraging, but to my mind most ventures are approaching space as a bucket list tourism scam. There are no signs that this sector is in it for the long haul where profits are reinvested to drive technology forward. This is where govt sponsored activities coupled to strategic interests have thrived for us, Russia, china and the EU to a smaller extent.

For the private sector to be viable there needs to be plans for the democratization of space (i.e., affordable for most), and NASA needs to set standards. NASA should be working to be the ANSI for all things above 100km.
 
totus44 said:
1- Obviously this administration will likely punt on NASA as a priority unless someone explains that the tallest structures on the Moon and Mars could be designed and built on his watch.

2- All the private sector work is encouraging, but to my mind most ventures are approaching space as a bucket list tourism scam. There are no signs that this sector is in it for the long haul where profits are reinvested to drive technology forward. This is where govt sponsored activities coupled to strategic interests have thrived for us, Russia, china and the EU to a smaller extent.

3- For the private sector to be viable there needs to be plans for the democratization of space (i.e., affordable for most), and NASA needs to set standards. NASA should be working to be the ANSI for all things above 100km.
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1- LMAO, a reference to the businessman developer potus??? Trump Bio-Dome on the Moon....hehehe

2- good point Tote, I just read an article with Musk on his approach, much like a Realtor's. "We're targeting homeowners, who would pay 200K for a house, can go to Mars for as much". Imo, Musk is vastly under estimating the rolling up of future increases in costs, big time.....

3- Tote, do you mean NASA should fall under ANSI? I'd have no probs with that.
NASA Programs tho' do work under ANSI requirements, specifications, for engineering only.... at least when I worked, tho' the Contractors have taken an ISO approach to business, not sure what the future holds in these different methods of approach....

doesn't make sense does it? Engr to ANSI, drum up business with ISO, then build to ANSI.
 
I mean you can have a half dozen outfits right now vying for orbital ops. Would be key to have them all using std and compatible comms, docking systems, critical components (life support, batteries, co2 filters, etc) so there is some type of cross platform uniformity for safety purposes.
 
totus44 said:
I mean you can have a half dozen outfits right now vying for orbital ops. Would be key to have them all using std and compatible comms, docking systems, critical components (life support, batteries, co2 filters, etc) so there is some type of cross platform uniformity for safety purposes.
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indeed.

The big question or dose of future reality, is: how long before this goes from an ANSI to a global ISO environment. Indeed all 'outfits' s/b working to ANSI, but how long before funds fall short, even from private sectors. How long before some politician sells us on: "we won't get there without intl., support". Then the entire concept becomes as tainted as the world of intl turmoil left behind. Or do nations find true peace in space endeavours; like grown men find peace in their dogs world...Can doggism find a way into mankinds learning how to bridge differences. cuz there's always some who eat dogs, instead of turn 'em into mans best friend...

where the fk did that come from. I went' off on a tangent, whats new eh?? :blink:....gotta' be the drugs, booze, jp4 fumes - "geez I picked a great day to stop doing" ________x
 
Reposting from FB, certified to not be fake......


Some have claimed Pres. Trump is a failure and not doing anything. Here is a partial list of things that Pres. Trump has done so far despite the resistance from the Left and RHINOs.. And let's not forget the recent bills concerning healthcare: A) Able to get Healthcare across state lines B) The stopping of gov't subsidies to private companies which is unconstitutional.

WHAT HAS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP DONE SINCE HE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE

1. Supreme Court Judge Gorsuch

2. 59 missiles dropped in Syria

3. He took us out of TPP

4. Illegal immigration is now down 70% ( the lowest in 17 years)

5. Consumer confidence highest since 2000 at index 125.6

6. Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a seven-year high

7. Arranged from 7% to 24% Tariff on lumber from Canada

8. Bids for border wall are well underway

9. Pulled out of the lopsided stupid Paris climate accord

10. Keystone pipeline approved

11. NATO allies boost spending by 4.3%

12. Allowing VA to terminate bad employees

13. Allowing private healthcare choices for veterans

14. More than 600,000. Jobs created

15. Median household income at a 7 year high

16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever in its history

17. China agreed to American import of beef

18. $89 Billion saved in regulation rollbacks

19. Rollback of A Regulation to boost coal mining

20. MOAB for ISIS

21. Travel ban reinstated

22. Executive order for religious freedom

23. Jump started NASA after being shut down by Obama

24. $600 million cut from UN peacekeeping budget

25. Targeting of MS13 gangs

26. Deporting violent illegal immigrants

27. Signed 41 bills to date

28. Created a commission on child trafficking

29. Created a commission on voter fraud

30. Created a commission for Opioids addiction

31. Giving power to states to drug test unemployment recipients

32. Unemployment lowest since May 2007

33. Historic Black College University initiative

34. Women In Entrepreneurship Act

35. Created an office for illegal immigrant crime victims

36. Reversed Dodd-Frank

37. Repealed DOT ruling which would have taken power away from local governments for infrastructure planning

38. Order to stop crime against law enforcement

39. End of DAPA program

40. Stopped companies from moving out of America

41. Promoted businesses to create American Jobs

42. Encouraged country to once again – ‘Buy American and hire American’

43. Cutting regulations – 2 for every one created

45. Review of all trade agreements to make sure they are America first

46. Apprentice program

47. Highest manufacturing surge in 3 years

48. $78 Billion promised reinvestment from major businesses like Exxon, Bayer, Apple, SoftBank, Toyota

49. Denied FBI a new building

50. $700 million saved with F-35 renegotiation

51. Saves $22 million by reducing white house payroll

52. Dept of Treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017 (2nd largest in history)

53. Negotiated the release of 6 US humanitarian workers held captive in Egypt

54. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years

55. Signed An Executive Order To Promote Energy Independence and Economic Growth

56. Has already accomplished more to stop government interference into people’s lives than any President in the history of America

57. President Trump has worked with Congress to pass more legislation in his first 100 days than any President since Truman

58. Has given head executive of each branches 6 month time frame, dated March 15, 2017, to trim the fat, restructure and improve efficiency of their branch. (Observe the push-back the leaks the lies as entrenched POWER refuses to go silently into that good night!)

59. Last, refused his Presidential paycheck. Donated it to Veterans.
 
...^^^ wow, just wow...gotta love the internet. (copy and paste without verifying)

..."certified not to be fake"?...really?...by whom ?

... without trying to refute the entire list, some of those claims may be true but others are either false, misleading, inaccurate, or very disputable. And some "accomplishments" on this cherry-picked propaganda list are in spite of Trump, not because of him.




...sorry, I award you no points.
 
...right...you premised your post as "certified not to be fake" but now you admit that it "did quite a bit of spinning ".


"Fake news"

 
I've always enjoyed Jonah's work; but I feel dumb(er) after reading this article, no offense Tom....
 
Mattingly23NY said:
I've always enjoyed Jonah's work; but I feel dumb(er) after reading this article, no offense Tom....
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I think he makes an interesting point about perspectives. What if Kelly were scolding Trump or W was calling out the lefts hypocrisy. Both statements could be applied either way. And that does say volumes about current state of our body politic.
 
totus44 said:
I think he makes an interesting point about perspectives. What if Kelly were scolding Trump or W was calling out the lefts hypocrisy. Both statements could be applied either way. And that does say volumes about current state of our body politic.
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Yep, I found that much quit interesting indeed....^^^
 
thOPDXQPQV.jpg <His kind may be the group that demands good health insurance including dental care.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
The Cold War II ?? With production beginning with the (not noted) B2 replacement underway; and the Pentagon ordering "Mini-Nukes", the paranoia over NORK and Iran hath come to a fatal fruition? "Axis of Evil" CW II ?

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2017/10/exclusive-us-preparing-put-nuclear-bombers-back-24-hour-alert/141957/?oref=d-topstory&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB 10.23.2017&utm_term=Editorial - Military - Early Bird Brief
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Matts....C W2 is certain death. Idiots! I'll never relax in the comfort of my semi-retirement. My fears are for my nephews and grandchild. Perhaps, Trump forgot he has a son.cliff .jpg
 
stampedehero said:
Matts....C W2 is certain death. Idiots! I'll never relax in the comfort of my semi-retirement. My fears are for my nephews and grandchild. Perhaps, Trump forgot he has a son.View attachment 16714
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I totally agree, No Nukes, not ever the way to anything other than death of the planet, as well as every living thing, being, et al....

Not sure why the fk the Feds are buying mini-nukes, when our arsenal has some big (non-nukes), ie MOAB's, and several other extremely lethal technologies; not known to the public,....

"RFG" - A easy resolution to the end of Nuclear proliferation, the end of the Nuclear Age....

One Question tho', IF the US or Japan were to be hit with a NORK Nuke, what would you do to retaliate??? No nukes????
 
Mattingly23NY said:
I totally agree, No Nukes, not ever the way to anything other than death of the planet, as well as every living thing, being, et al....

Not sure why the fk the Feds are buying mini-nukes, when our arsenal has some big (non-nukes), ie MOAB's, and several other extremely lethal technologies; not known to the public,....

"RFG" - A easy resolution to the end of Nuclear proliferation, the end of the Nuclear Age....

One Question tho', IF the US or Japan were to be hit with a NORK Nuke, what would you do to retaliate??? No nukes????
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I would send them endless transmissions of the rotten TV shows Honey Boo-Boo and Real Housewives of NJ which is guaranteed psychological torture, media press photos of Kaepernick and season passes to Baltimore Ravens games. lol
 
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strawman Matts....there is no choice. Any nuclear use against US or US ally must be retaliated with superior nuclear force to maintain future deterrence. As for concern for children and gradchildren I dont begrudge anyone for those sentiments, I just like to look longer term in the context of the survivability and prosperity of all of the USA. As I said before, nukes go away only when we have something even more potent and expedient. Which by the way will look something like a disintegration ray that only vaporizes humans and leaves everything else intact. We are not that far off with certain medical laser/radiation technologies....power sources are key to most modern tech.
 
...^^^ Matts' stance is a "strawman" argument?... sorry, but I don't see it that way. And neither do I agree that nuclear retaliation vs N. Korea is the only solution.

...but yeah, your futuristic "disintegration ray" is really relevant if N. Korea were to launch nukes today.

...and you've ready informed us that we need to grasp "the reality of WW III" and the inevitability of it but you still fail to acknowledge and grasp reality that in the event of an all out nuclear war there will very likely be no "survivability and prosperity" of the US or for the entire planet for that matter.
 
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stampedehero said:
I would send them endless transmissions of the rotten TV shows Honey Boo-Boo and Real Housewives of NJ which is guaranteed psychological torture, media press photos of Kaepernick and season passes to Baltimore Ravens games. lol
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I think we tried as much, that could be the reason why the Lil' Dicktator is off his rocker....
 
yankeesince59 said:
...^^^ Matts' stance is a "strawman" argument?... sorry, but I don't see it that way. And neither do I agree that nuclear retaliation vs N. Korea is the only solution.

...but yeah, your futuristic "disintegration ray" is really relevant if N. Korea were to launch nukes today.

...and you've ready informed us that we need to grasp "the reality of WW III" and the inevitability of it but you still fail to acknowledge and grasp reality that in the event of an all out nuclear war there will very likely be no "survivability and prosperity" of the US or for the entire planet for that matter.
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Sorry Ron but yes indeed the US will survive and prosper through an all ou WW3. We have been preparing for this longer than anyone. You may not like who gets to survive, but there would be many survivors.

MAD was a media ruse, our underlying doctrine has always been about emerging from WW3 as the victor.

Of course if things start to really heat up I’d recommend an extended holiday in Switzerland because most of that country will survive as well.
 
totus44 said:
Sorry Ron but yes indeed the US will survive and prosper through an all ou WW3. We have been preparing for this longer than anyone. You may not like who gets to survive, but there would be many survivors.

MAD was a media ruse, our underlying doctrine has always been about emerging from WW3 as the victor.

Of course if things start to really heat up I’d recommend an extended holiday in Switzerland because most of that country will survive as well.
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...you're just like Trump, you say shit that you cannot quantify...I've asked you multiple times with no answer, but I'll ask again...after a nuclear Winter, with little sunlight for months exactly who is suppose to manufacture the spacecraft and implement this master plan of yours?...sorry, but if that happens, the world economy would collapse.

..."the US will survive and prosper"?...seriously?...based on what?...where do you get this shit?

...please, once and for all, please outline this science fiction fantasy of yours? ...and will you be included with your supposed space travelers?...how about your children...what will be the "entry fee"?...how much will it cost each person?...who will be chosen?...who will be left behind?...and why would Switzerland survive?...and please don't say because they are neutral and please don't say because they are protected by the Alps.


...now, you're either talking out of your ass again, or stop tap dancing like you have been lately and offer a tangible answer...if you can.
 
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