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illmatic99 said:
the problem is... the teams with expendable draft capital probably don't want Dame.

BK -- maybe, but they are more than one Dame away from contending.
NY -- already have Brunson.
MIA -- don't have the picks
OKC/NO -- have the picks, but no real desire to expedite their window.

DAL -- ? maybe? 10+ a bunch of future picks?
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That's why there's 3 and 4 team deals.

Although we've seen #1 Knicks fan Stephen A Smith wants Dame. My Knicks friend said they'd consider it for 4 unprotected firsts and 3 swaps. As we saw with Gobert Mitchell etc, it only takes one team.
 
I'm warming to the pipe dream of the Blazers trading #3 and Simons (and maybe filler) for Bridges.

And yes I realize that's a massive pipe dream.

Since they didn't get #1, I'll totally hallucinate this off season:

Dame
Bridges
Green
Grant
Nurk

if no Green, then Dame, Sharpe, Bridges, Grant and Nurk.

*I am not saying there's a snowballs chance this happens btw*
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I don't get the vets for Dame trade ideas. Makes no sense. If we get Brown/Bridges/KAT, etc it should be to win with Dame now.

If we trade Dame it should be to get young future potential All-stars and picks, not current stars in their prime that will start declining as our youth eventually peaks.

And that ignores the friendships these guys have with Dame. They won't want to stay in Portland if Dame is gone.
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Well Jaylen Brown is only 26.
 
julius said:
I'm warming to the pipe dream of the Blazers trading #3 and Simons (and maybe filler) for Bridges.

And yes I realize that's a massive pipe dream.

Since they didn't get #1, I'll totally hallucinate this off season:

Dame
Bridges
Green
Grant
Nurk

if no Green, then Dame, Sharpe, Bridges, Grant and Nurk.

*I am not saying there's a snowballs chance this happens btw*
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Green hope is he tries to play contract hardball with the Warriors then decides to "stick it to them" by signing MLE with his friend Dame in Portland. Green is type of crazy guy to end up doing that for a year IMO.

Dame
Bridges Sharpe
Grant
Green DFS
Claxton

One of few types of scenarios I'd be happy trading away #3. I don't think the Nets do it though. And yeah, Daymond for the MLE is even much more unlikely longshot than the Nets piece.
 
STOMP said:
Look over there, now over there... and now you're comparing apples to cucumbers. We all can see the individual skills & off the charts athleticism in Shaedon. Those obvious traits are why he was able to skip college entirely to be drafted on potential higher then either of the guys we were comparing, but just as obviously he's still got a ways to go before he knows how to play. Without question of the now 3 guys we are talking about he's by far the best prospect coming out of HS... so?


that is some quality stupid. What we were discussing was development of players. Obviously not all prospects are created equal and those with better physical and individual skills have higher ceilings. Drew Eubanks was never going to be Tim Duncan no matter if or where he went to college, or how much coaching or how many minutes he played at whatever level. Good grief man, are you really this challenged? Ant is an elite level run/jump athlete, CJ is not. Because of that he has a much higher ceiling which is why Portland drafted him in hopes he would develop.


You're flailing badly in this thread so of course you go there. I'm sticking with facts and a HoF coach's comments about the difficulties of young player development in the NBA. You might benefit by checking out the link below.

Prior to last season when Ant was 23, he'd played 4,375 minutes in the league. In college CJ played 3,657 minutes (his Sr year was cut short due to injury). Combined with the 476 minutes he played his rookie year, he'd played 4,133 minutes prior to his 23 year old season in question or 94% of the minutes Ant had played so the minutes part of your development/preparation claim is moot. Of course while at Lehigh, CJ was the focus of his team's attack, everything ran through him. He wasn't standing in the corner hoping the ball might swing his way like Ant was for much of his minutes on Dame's team, he was dealing with double teams and being the tip of the spear in their attack. Very different minutes. To one of Kerr's points, CJ also received a ton more of coaching as they practice a whole lot more in college then they do in the pros. While CJ's late teens and early 20s were spent being coached up getting reps in practice, Ant was clapping on the sidelines and checking into another hotel. No question who was better prepared for their 23rd year

https://omny.fm/shows/steve-kerr/5-16-steve-kerr-joins-tolbert-copes-to-review-the

STOMP
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im not reading any of this, my last post towards you made it very clear how moronic your posts are
 
Charlotte may trade their pick and try to build a "win now" team with LaMelo Ball.
 
DFS?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I don't get the vets for Dame trade ideas. Makes no sense. If we get Brown/Bridges/KAT, etc it should be to win with Dame now.

If we trade Dame it should be to get young future potential All-stars and picks, not current stars in their prime that will start declining as our youth eventually peaks.

And that ignores the friendships these guys have with Dame. They won't want to stay in Portland if Dame is gone.
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The superstar-for-draft capital pretty much never works.

and good luck finding a young up and coming team that’s gonna trade their young star for Dame so they can win now
 
Driew said:
Well Jaylen Brown is only 26.
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Sure, but his birthday is before next season, and Scoot/Miller are 19.

Brown is in his prime now. He's not going to be happy here without Dame and being years away from contending.

Now it's a positive if we do a trade for him to play with Dame that maybe he could have more overlap with Sharpe/etc in the future. So yeah it's nice he is only 26. But that doesn't fit a rebuilding timeline. His cost is too high as well to not utilize those prime seasons right away.

He's too old and too good to be acquired now while sending out Dame.
 
julius said:
I'm warming to the pipe dream of the Blazers trading #3 and Simons (and maybe filler) for Bridges.

And yes I realize that's a massive pipe dream.

Since they didn't get #1, I'll totally hallucinate this off season:

Da
Bridges
Green
Grant
Nurk

if no Green, then Dame, Sharpe, Bridges, Grant and Nurk.

*I am not saying there's a snowballs chance this happens btw*
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i'd want more than Bridges if we are giving up 3 AND ant.
 
Predator said:
The superstar-for-draft capital pretty much never works.

and good luck finding a young up and coming team that’s gonna trade their young star for Dame so they can win now
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It works much more than the delusional Portland wheel of mediocrity we've been on the last 22 years.
 
illmatic99 said:
this still creates an unnecessary logjam:

-Scoot/Ant/Sharpe/Brown/?

Brown isn't a PF and Shaedon is playing out of position

-Ant/Sharpe/Brown/Miller/?

Miller can't swing to PF.

either scenario is still messy from a team building perspective.
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I sincerely hope Simons isn’t in the team regardless of whether we keep the pick or trade Dame.
 
Predator said:
im not reading any of this, my last post towards you made it very clear how moronic your posts are
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I'll summarize it for you genius. On player development in the NBA, I'm going with the opinions of a HoF coach rather then a random poster who represents themselves with a clown icon

STOMP
 
illmatic99 said:
ya one of the things i would look forward to if we do indeed trade dame is handing Ant the reins at PG full time and seeing what he has in games that matter.
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Yeah I don't understand the Simon's hate. He is an elite scorer and athletic always in others shadow. He's at an age than many NBA players still make significant improvements.

It's like Blazers fans have some odd desire to have a whipping boy on the team.
 
illmatic99 said:
but then where would you put Ant and either Scoot or Miller?
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if Scoot is as good as some are saying (I'm skeptical), then Blazers trade Ant, and start Scoot-Sharpe-Brown (Brown has been playing SF in Boston)

I think Brown will walk in a year though without Dame on the team
 
illmatic99 said:
i'd want more than Bridges if we are giving up 3 AND ant.
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Oh, in my hallucination the Nets give back more than just Bridges. I just don't know their roster for shit.
 
Heat win game 1!

Only Dame trade that makes any sense to me is to Bos for a package of Brown/Williams/Pick. They are the only team that has a player at a position of need for us at the right age who they could also lose for a player like Dame.
 
I like the idea of Siakam and if somehow you can make it a bigger package for OG include Simons/Nurk/3rd pick and couple more first/plus filler to make sal
WesleyMatthews said:
Yeah I don't understand the Simon's hate. He is an elite scorer and athletic always in others shadow. He's at an age than many NBA players still make significant improvements.

It's like Blazers fans have some odd desire to have a whipping boy on the team.
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I agree always has to be a someone on the team to blame everything on. I think without Dame he’d shine with Dame he try’s to fit in. It was their first year playing together as starters so things should improve. That said Sharpe isn’t going to be happy coming off the bench for very long
 
julius said:
Oh, in my hallucination the Nets give back more than just Bridges. I just don't know their roster for shit.
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It's Bridges, Claxton who is a great defensive center, and Dorian Finley Smith who is a useful reserve forward (PF), or Royce Oneal who is another reserve SF.

Best scenarios I've seen is Ant Nurk #3 for Bridges Claxton and DFS or Royce. Seems like Nets probably want more 1sts, and thats probably where Portland gets concerned about mortgaging the whole future as well as losing the assets to do a final win now contending trade.

I don't think anybody else on the Nets roster is relevant. Ben Simmons has become a joke. Seth Curry is a free agent.
 
LayneStaley said:
Heat win game 1!

Only Dame trade that makes any sense to me is to Bos for a package of Brown/Williams/Pick. They are the only team that has a player at a position of need for us at the right age who they could also lose for a player like Dame.
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Then Brown walks in a year. Doesn't make any sense.
 
lamlor said:
Keep the pick and blow up the rest. Lillard, Nurk, Ant gone. If you trade the pick, you probably also trade Sharpe (vets wanted for Lillard). Then when those moves don't work, and they won because we are a mess financially, then we have no championship, no Lillard (old in 2 to 3 years), and no foundation to build with. I just for the life of me can't see a way we win with Lillard. But I have been a fan long enough to know, they will do the wrong thing and try to milk the rest of Lillard's years.
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Nobody is trading Sharpe
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Sure, but his birthday is before next season, and Scoot/Miller are 19.

Brown is in his prime now. He's not going to be happy here without Dame and being years away from contending.

Now it's a positive if we do a trade for him to play with Dame that maybe he could have more overlap with Sharpe/etc in the future. So yeah it's nice he is only 26. But that doesn't fit a rebuilding timeline. His cost is too high as well to not utilize those prime seasons right away.

He's too old and too good to be acquired now while sending out Dame.
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we don't agree on much about the Dame/Pick situation

but I do agree that if Portland trades Dame they absolutely need to stop straddling fucking fences. Trade Dame, Nurk, & Ant for as much draft capital as Portland can accrue. S&T Grant for picks, if possible. Forget about players like Brown who would not re-sign in Portland without Dame around. He'd walk

consider a trade like one to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, Claxton and as many of their future picks as the Blazers can land. Then keep Claxton, but ship Dinwiddie and Harris to other teams for more draft capital.

then field a young but crappy team for a few years and hope for more lottery luck
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Sure, but his birthday is before next season, and Scoot/Miller are 19.

Brown is in his prime now. He's not going to be happy here without Dame and being years away from contending.

Now it's a positive if we do a trade for him to play with Dame that maybe he could have more overlap with Sharpe/etc in the future. So yeah it's nice he is only 26. But that doesn't fit a rebuilding timeline. His cost is too high as well to not utilize those prime seasons right away.

He's too old and too good to be acquired now while sending out Dame.
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He fits exactly the rebuilding timeline, IMO. You want guys at all ages.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Yeah I don't understand the Simon's hate. He is an elite scorer and athletic always in others shadow. He's at an age than many NBA players still make significant improvements.

It's like Blazers fans have some odd desire to have a whipping boy on the team.
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A long ways back I realized many sports fans tune in because it's an acceptable forum for them to get their hate on. Their life sucks and they want to vent. I wish they'd stick to pro wraslin'

To me Ant is a quality lead guard who is better when he's the focus then off ball... this is common for scorers. Of course in PDX for the last decade, the ball has been in Dame's capable hands. Defensively, he matches up best on the other team's smallest player as wings overwhelm him physically... but again, thats his fate in PDX as Dame is primarily matched up on that guy. Round hole, square peg, bad fit. I can envision him being part of a good to great 3 guard rotation with Shaedon, but really he should be the 3rd guard in that rotation. I'm not sure SS is ready for that jump to starting. I suspect he'll be moved this offseason for a frontcourt player.

STOMP
 
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