We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (2 Viewers)

[Strenuus]

But you trust Joe to trade Dame? If I didn't trust Joe, it would be the opposite for me.

I worded it wrong. "I am open to trading dame, I just don't trust Joe."

 

[Natebishop3]

ya one of the things i would look forward to if we do indeed trade dame is handing Ant the reins at PG full time and seeing what he has in games that matter.

If we get Miller I’d be tempted to keep Dame and trade Simons\Nurk for another piece. If we get Scoot, I think Simons has to go for sure and maybe Dame.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I worded it wrong. "I am open to trading dame, I just don't trust Joe."

I don't trust Joe, but I'd expect the team should have more assets, picks, and youth if they trade Dame away than if they trade picks away to win now.

It's about setting up the GM for success after Joe.

 

[Strenuus]

I don't trust Joe, but I'd expect the team should have more assets, picks, and youth if they trade Dame away than if they trade picks away to win now.

It's about setting up the GM for success after Joe.

I guess where I'm coming from is I don't trust Joe to make the right trade for Dame. All this to say, I have no control over it so it's gonna be Joe either way (cause it'll probably happen in the next two seasons).

 

[STOMP]

If it were an option, I would have voted for Draft Miller or Scoot and keep him. My hopes don't extend to what other teams do... if they did then I be for drafting and keeping Wemby!

STOMP

 

[PCmor7]

I see Donovan Mitchell Lite. Said that. That means a lesser player.

I don't know why you felt compelled to repeat yourself. Mama didn't raise dummies I dug your rap. I just think it's totally off-base. I don't see much of a comparison between the two players. I don't think their styles are all that comparable.

Also, I think I need to clarify this: I'm not advocating the Blazers draft Scoot. I'm evaluating his ability, period. If you think trading him for OG Anunoby is a good deal, though, I think you're way off the mark.

 

[BBert]

I worded it wrong. "I am open to trading dame, I just don't trust Joe."

Just bustin yer balls. Because I care

 

[RR7]

Go get some job skills and increase your income then.

I can actually do something about that money thing. Problem is when my favorite NBA team does stupid moves I'm a helpless frustrated spectator.

A lot easier to just root for a different team than it is to "Go get some job skills and increase your income".

 

[SharpesTriumph]

A lot easier to just root for a different team than it is to "Go get some job skills and increase your income".

I dunno, I've been able to increase income fine. I've never been able to go root for another team. Not sure if it qualifies as a sickness or what, but I've been stuck as a Blazers fanatic since I was in the 3rd grade.

 

[Strenuus]

I dunno, I've been able to increase income fine. I've never been able to go root for another team. Not sure if it qualifies as a sickness or what, but I've been stuck as a Blazers fanatic since I was in the 3rd grade.

I'll push back a little bit: increasing income isnt the hard part, it's keeping up with inflation.

My car got broken into last month, obviously no fault of my own, it got totaled. I was paying $280 a month for that car. Had to get a new car for work and such, $475 a month and $60 a month increase on insurance for a car that's 6 years old. If I wanted a 10+ year old car it'd of still been at least $100 increase.

We're all at different stations and one wrong thing happens and your budget is fucked, and if you need additional skills for additional money that takes time, but inflation is making it so it doesn't care if anything happens to you. And I'm in a job within my career choice with upward mobility. But shit happens and it'd be nice if inflation didn't cripple us at every chance it could.

I went on a rant, totally off topic, but I felt like sharing a different perspective since it recently happened to me at such an inopportune time. Just needed to say my peace, no ill intentions meant.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Rebuilding also means losing games and getting more high lottery picks. How does Jaylen Brown help that?

Trading Dame for Jaylen Brown wouldn't make sense unless we were planning on moving ahead with Ant, Sharpe, Brown, Grant, and #23. Or sign and trade Grant for picks.

I have no interest in sucking for years hoping for more draft luck. Of course, we have Schultz, so maybe we'll get it right this time...

But I see no reason Sharpe shouldn't become an All Star soon. Well before Brown is out of his prime. Ant could probably be close, especially if we're winning.

Then it's just drafting and trading well and crossing your fingers. Just like tanking for draft capital would be.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If it were an option, I would have voted for Draft Miller or Scoot and keep him. My hopes don't extend to what other teams do... if they did then I be for drafting and keeping Wemby!

STOMP

I didn't put Wemby as an option, because he obviously not an option. So since the question is "what are you hoping for?", and I wanted to keep the options realistic, I listed the realistic possibilities.

Is it really that problematic to specify which of the two you're hoping does to #3?

 

[BankTeller]

Rebuilding also means losing games and getting more high lottery picks. How does Jaylen Brown help that?

I imagine that if you have three of the following players: Jaylen Brown on a re-signed five year contract, Shaedon Sharpe with three years left on a rookie deal, and Scoot Henderson on a four year rookie deal, "rebuilding" will take less time than you think.

I'm in disagreement with you that Brown wouldn't re-sign with Dame off the team. The whole "Brown might get traded" thing has been based on reports that Brown wants to be the man on a team rather than be #2/#1A to Tatum. With Dame off the team, Brown is guaranteed to be the #1 option and will be paid like a #1 option. If Brown wants to win, he should just stay in Boston. If he wants to be the #1 option or get paid, Dame for Brown + other assets makes sense. Unless he's shown that being in a big market is his biggest priority, then I agree, Brown to Portland isn't a good option.

 

[sheed30]

#3 and Nurk and filter for KAT I would be down for

 

[inconceivable]

#3 and Nurk and filter for KAT I would be down for

I would feel very down if this is how we use our 3rd pick

 

[BankTeller]

#3 and Nurk and filter for KAT I would be down for

$36,016,200/$49,245,000/$53,184,600/$57,124,200/$61,063,800

That's KAT's salary the next five years. Since 2020, he's played 35, 50, 74, and 29 games. He's also had virtually no playoff success. Why are people here keen on wanting this guy. In the post-Dame era, how will be complete with a maxed out Sharpe making probably around 40m/year while KAT also makes over $50m/year without the guarantee he'll even play over 50 games in any given year?

 

[sheed30]

$36,016,200/$49,245,000/$53,184,600/$57,124,200/$61,063,800

That's KAT's salary the next five years. Since 2020, he's played 35, 50, 74, and 29 games. He's also had virtually no playoff success. Why are people here keen on wanting this guy. In the post-Dame era, how will be complete with a maxed out Sharpe making probably around 40m/year while KAT also makes over $50m/year without the guarantee he'll even play over 50 games in any given year?

depends on how you look at the current outlook of the team, I want us to not trade out franchise best player and try our best to wing a chip with him. With that said, who says if we keep the 3rd pick we hit a home run? draft picks don't pan out many times, and we dont need to add another young piece if we are trying to win now.

Before you mentioned his games played since 2020, you fail to mention he played 82 games in 3 straight seasons, and 77 the prior one. 2020 was a shorten season 72 games and cramped games in that season. He played 74 games last season, which these days is considered a good thing.

I'm down to keep the 3rd pick if we go youth and trade Dame, but it makes no sense to keep the pick and Dame. It's one or the other

 

[STOMP]

I didn't put Wemby as an option, because he obviously not an option. So since the question is "what are you hoping for?", and I wanted to keep the options realistic, I listed the realistic possibilities.

Is it really that problematic to specify which of the two you're hoping does to #3?

Those two seem the next tier of prospects after VW, but I'll need some more time. Now that Portland's draft position is set, I'll start to go down rabbit holes of videos of the various prospects on the weekends. I do hope that they all at least participate in the measurement portion of the combine as that is often revealing. Btw, I see no reason why Charlotte would flinch at pairing Scoot with LaMello if they deem him to be the better prospect. Clearly one of his best traits is the on ball pressure he provides on D and that is far far from a strength of Ball or Rozier for that matter.

STOMP

 

[Pinwheel1]

yes, Wagner is a future all star

Again I have not seen many Orlando games so I am pretty much basing it off their win in Portland when he went for 29.
Having said that he made an impression with his ability to attack the basket at 6'10 220. His mobility looked good.
As you alluded to he looks like a future star (He is 22 in August)

One thing that intrigues me about that trade is we would not be giving up anything else except the pick. I would just as much take a chance on him than Miller.
But unfortunately, it sounds like the carrot is Scoot, and the more I read the more I think Scoot goes #2.

 

[BIG Q]

Look how long OKC is taking in their rebuild. And while all the young talent, and future picks are nice, they still aren't there. It's been what, 7 years of this rebuild. It could take 4 to 5 more till they get a player who is SGA level, if they do. Chet is interest, and has a wonderful skillset, but can he stay healthy. What if SGA bolts. Then you're back to square 1. There are no super teams right now. If the Blazers go "All IN' and acquire some quality pieces to put around Dame over the next 2 seasons , and it doesn't work, you still have Sharpe, being as young as he is, to build around with youth later. Rebuilding takes much longer unless you're lucky enough to get a LeBron, Wemby type talent. We all hope Sharpe is the truth. If he is, it will really show this year, in a pronounced uptick in his play. But to give up and start rebuild now, it can take years upon years to find a player who has Dame's abilities, if ever. And i say this all the time. Most of us love Portland. We wouldn't be here if we didn't, unless there's financial issues that don't allow a move. But not all athletes buy in to this special place ( lack of entertainment choices, weather, etc.). And they might choose to force the Blazers hand and want out, instead of maxing out money wise here.

Actually, no. This is factually dishonest because the cupboard would be bare except for having sharp and squat left because you and others are wanting to trade every conceivable asset the Blazers have to go all in for Dame. You have proposed every pick and pick swap Portland owns to satisfy Dame. Which leaves nothing in a couple years when Sharpe is peaking and he becomes Dame Jr. with a shit team around him. There is no "youth later" in your scenarios.

 

[BIG Q]

Orlando also has the #6 pick, do you want to do #3 for #6 and Wagner?

The 3 for Wagner, 6 and 11. We are playing poker. If they don't like it offer up the second rounders or even 23. Go for the jugular people. Portland has the desired asset. With this said, keep 3 and draft Scoot or Miller.

 

[BIG Q]

I don't trust Joe, but I'd expect the team should have more assets, picks, and youth if they trade Dame away than if they trade picks away to win now.

It's about setting up the GM for success after Joe.

There in lies the problem. GM's are concerned about the here and now because there may not be a tomorrow, but there will be a GM after Joe. Joe wants a second round exit. Joe needs a second round exit. That is the best success he will have if he trades all of our assets.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The 3 for Wagner, 6 and 11. We are playing poker. If they don't like it offer up the second rounders or even 23. Go for the jugular people. Portland has the desired asset. With this said, keep 3 and draft Scoot or Miller.

I don't see that happening if it is Miller. Wagner is better right now. Can Miller pass him? Maybe but I am skeptical. They already know Franz is good.

 

[AngryFan]

Actually, no. This is factually dishonest because the cupboard would be bare except for having sharp and squat left because you and others are wanting to trade every conceivable asset the Blazers have to go all in for Dame. You have proposed every pick and pick swap Portland owns to satisfy Dame. Which leaves nothing in a couple years when Sharpe is peaking and he becomes Dame Jr. with a shit team around him. There is no "youth later" in your scenarios.

This is the truth. If the Blazers are trading all their future picks in order to bring in 28 and 29 year old players they should think about trading Sharpe too. Otherwise you're going to lose him when the group of older players ages out and he is left on a roster with no talent right as he is entering his prime.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Actually, no. This is factually dishonest because the cupboard would be bare except for having sharp and squat left because you and others are wanting to trade every conceivable asset the Blazers have to go all in for Dame. You have proposed every pick and pick swap Portland owns to satisfy Dame. Which leaves nothing in a couple years when Sharpe is peaking and he becomes Dame Jr. with a shit team around him. There is no "youth later" in your scenarios.

I agree that you don't give up every asset. But most who are suggesting trading the pick are only talking about adding Ant and one more 1st. That is not every asset. Maybe adding Nurk as well but that helps us remove his contract.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I would trade pick 3 and Nurk to the Raptors for OG, pick 13 and a future first rounder.

I would trade pick 13 to the Knicks for Hartenstein and a future first.

I would trade Ant, Nas, rights to pick 23 and up to three future FRPs (two of which would be the firsts we would get from the Raptors and Knicks) to the Wolves for KAT. We would have to send Chicago a second and guarantee them our FRP next season to do this but I would, it replenishes Minny's future firsts that they lost in the Gobert trade and gives them back court help that they need.

All of these trades are separate and they work under the CBA. The Hartenstein trade would be completed during this NBA fiscal year so he would fit into our TPE. That would mean that the OG trade would have to be completed by then as well. The KAT trade would have to be completed in the new fiscal year so his salary matches closely enough with Ant and Nas and also so we are no longer hard capped.

We could use pick 45 on the best available upperclassman PG who could compete with Mays to be Dame's backup. We would re-sign Jerami and Matisse and pick up the option on Knox. We would get the best wing (most likely a PF) that we could the the TPMLE.

Dame, pick 45, Mays
Shae, Matisse, Keon
OG, Matisse, Knox
Jerami, TPMLE, Trendon
KAT, Hartenstein, Drewbanks, Badji

If the change of scenery and playing with Dame has KAT playing the best ball of his career and this team can stay healthy for the most part, I think it would grab HCA in the first round and be a scary match up for any team in the league.

Quite creative and the trades all seem somewhat realistic.

 

[Freshtown]

The 3 for Wagner, 6 and 11. We are playing poker. If they don't like it offer up the second rounders or even 23. Go for the jugular people. Portland has the desired asset. With this said, keep 3 and draft Scoot or Miller.

that would be a huge ripoff for Orlando

 

[Labinot41]

Oh boy

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I don't agree with the Siakam/Grant pairing being awkward. Why do you way that?

I love the idea of Bridges but Grant is such an asbismal rebounder - that I can't have him be the long-term solution at PF.

The best of all options would be a Bridges/Siakam front court.

Right, I would think Siakam would be better pairing with Grant. he averaged abot three more rebounds per game than Bridges. Hard to know how much of that difference is in how they were used and who played next to them?

 

[inconceivable]

I've read and heard that the pick is more valuable before it's used. Is this true? Why?

If the best player order is either

Viktor
Scoot
Miller

or

Viktor
Miller
Scoot

Then Cronin has the easiest draft decision to make: Pick Scoot or Miller, whichever is available. Then, either keep that player or trade it for legit piece/s. There will be teams who will see whoever we picked as the 2nd best player in the draft.

This is not original but if Siakam&OG or Mikal&Claxton can be had using a combination of (but not necesarrily all) the 3rd pick, other player/s not named Dame, Sharpe, Grant, Thybulle, other pick/s that makes sense, then go for it. If not, don't force a trade just to make a trade.