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What are you hoping for with this pick?

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Natebishop3 said:
I would love to have a chat with Dame and talk out the future of the team. I wouldn’t be scared to tell him that I think it’s in everyone’s best interest to explore trading him at this point.
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That woud be an interesting conversation. My guess is your stance would soften after some discourse.
 
B-Roy said:
Which guy? No one is insulting anyone. Nate Jones is not a fan, he's one of Dame's agents.
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The guy that he is responding to.

Sure seems like he’s calling people who want to trade Dame “mad losers” or maybe I’m reading it wrong.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why is it always the homers who attack the intelligence of the people who disagree with them?
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Are you concerned about what someone with the twitter handle @hot_hall_dogway is saying? Because Nate didn't attack anyones intelligence in that tweet.
 
Tince said:
That woud be an interesting conversation. My guess is your stance would soften after some discourse.
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You don’t know me very well :lol:

I love debate. If Dame was open to an actual discussion, I would love to have it. I’m capable of arguing either side of the debate though.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The guy that he is responding to.

Sure seems like he’s calling people who want to trade Dame “mad losers” or maybe I’m reading it wrong.
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I think you might have read into that a wee-bit. Or a lot.
 
BIG Q said:
Actually, no. This is factually dishonest because the cupboard would be bare except for having sharp and squat left because you and others are wanting to trade every conceivable asset the Blazers have to go all in for Dame. You have proposed every pick and pick swap Portland owns to satisfy Dame. Which leaves nothing in a couple years when Sharpe is peaking and he becomes Dame Jr. with a shit team around him. There is no "youth later" in your scenarios.
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You're full of it. I doubt the cupboard would be totally bare. There are other players (FA's , potential added picks by trade) to continue to add talent. And i never ,ONCE, mentioned pick swaps. And if Ant is as good as some think, then it won't take as many picks to acquire personnel that can make an immediate impact. Ant is real good.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You don’t know me very well :lol:

I love debate. If Dame was open to an actual discussion, I would love to have it. I’m capable of arguing either side of the debate though.
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Because I haven't seen you have a strong in-person debate with a top 75 NBA player, I can't really give you the benefit of the doubt. It's a little different than on a message board.

I do agree that you are capable of talking out of both sides of your mouth!
 
BankTeller said:
I imagine that if you have three of the following players: Jaylen Brown on a re-signed five year contract, Shaedon Sharpe with three years left on a rookie deal, and Scoot Henderson on a four year rookie deal, "rebuilding" will take less time than you think.

I'm in disagreement with you that Brown wouldn't re-sign with Dame off the team. The whole "Brown might get traded" thing has been based on reports that Brown wants to be the man on a team rather than be #2/#1A to Tatum. With Dame off the team, Brown is guaranteed to be the #1 option and will be paid like a #1 option. If Brown wants to win, he should just stay in Boston. If he wants to be the #1 option or get paid, Dame for Brown + other assets makes sense. Unless he's shown that being in a big market is his biggest priority, then I agree, Brown to Portland isn't a good option.
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well, I agree with WM that Brown would not agree to a S&T to Portland if Dame was gone. I'm also inclined to believe he has no interest in being on the west coast

but more than that is this: Brown is NOT a #1 option. He doesn't have the wide range of talent to be a #1 on a contender in my view. This last season, he was tied for 48th in the NBA in PER (with Desmond Bane) among the 190 qualified players; 107th in TS% (out of 198); 113th in FT rate; 81st in assist rate. Plus he was 103rd in winshares/48 and 67th in BPM while playing on the team with the 2nd best record

Dame is at least one tier better. While Brown was 48th in PER, Dame was 8th. And while Brown was 103rd in winshares/48, Dame was 9th; and when Brown was 67th in BPM, Dame was again 9th. And this happened while Brown was playing on a team that had 24 more wins to divvy up for winshares and a 10.5 higher point-differential to divvy up for BPM. Going by winshares, take away Brown from Boston and the Celts have 52 wins. Take away Dame from Portland and they have 24 wins

and by the way, Brown is not a good 3 point shooter. He only shot 33.5% this season and is a career 36.5% shooter

why am I comparing Dame to Brown. To start with it's to show that Dame is a much better player; a legitimate 1st option. But here's the thing, Brown has made no bones about wanting a max contract on his next deal. A max for him would be something like a 59M/year deal for 5 years. Dame's deal(s) work out to 56M/year for 4 years. Yet, a big reason why people want Dame traded is because of his salaries. Well, Brown may very well have higher salaries and never be as good as Dame

and that returns to if Brown would agree to a S&T to Portland. If he simply extends in Boston his max would be over 70M more than if he agreed to a S&T. And if he refuses a S&T (very likely), and simply waits to sign a new deal in 2024, he could be getting 90M more than a S&T deal this summer
 
Tince said:
He probably laughed because you both knew how foolish it looked it hindsight.

PS- I also liked Harrison Barnes a lot!
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He gave me the side eye and started cracking up! HA! Cause I asked him where he thought he was going. He said 100% his agent said he was going to Sac. Said it was his best pre draft workout.
I was telling him how much I loved those other PGs....he said it was only because I didn't see him play in college and couldn't argue. But he said his agent tried to set up group workouts with Rivers and Marshall and they declined every time.
 
Tince said:
Because I haven't seen you have a strong in-person debate with a top 75 NBA player, I can't really give you the benefit of the doubt. It's a little different than on a message board.

I do agree that you are capable of talking out of both sides of your mouth!
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I have spoken with plenty of NBA players in my time. It would depend on whether dame was willing to have an open and honest discussion.
 
tykendo said:
Scoot's stats. 17.6 pts per. 6.4 ast. per. 5.1 reb. per. in 30 min. per vs. G Leaguers. I don't see ooh and ahh. Even when i watch his highlights. He's a dunker, so-so shooter. 6.4 ast. is good at NBA level , so - so at G League. Not earth moving.
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What were Michael Jordan’s numbers against college players? What we’re Luka’s numbers against lesser competition in Europe?
 
riverman said:
I read this earlier and the lack of respect for the GOAT of the franchise disgusts me....guy just had a career year even though we were tanking. He's been lobbying all spring for talent to come to Portland. What the fuck more do fans want from this guy...he's a generational unicorn in a small market that loves Portland...haters can fuck right off in my view. Ant you can trade...Nurk you can trade...Dame is untouchable for damned good reasons. RESPECT, PASS IT ON!
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Ridiculous.....who are the Dame haters? Please identify them. Is there a debate over the direction of the future of the franchise? Sure...and there should be. But "untouchable" is certainly a personal opinion. FAR better players have been traded. All for the debate, but seriously, you are a better poster than to have to resort to random generalized accusations of "haters" that can "f right off".

Who are the specific "haters". I'd like to see the actual list of people who hate Dame.
 
TBpup said:
Ridiculous.....who are the Dame haters? Please identify them. Is there a debate over the direction of the future of the franchise? Sure...and there should be. But "untouchable" is certainly a personal opinion. FAR better players have been traded. All for the debate, but seriously, you are a better poster than to have to resort to random generalized accusations of "haters" that can "f right off".

Who are the specific "haters". I'd like to see the actual list of people who hate Dame.
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Probably, the best thing for the franchise is to trade Dame.
It might also be the best thing for Dame - he wants to win, which likely won't happen here.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have spoken with plenty of NBA players in my time. It would depend on whether dame was willing to have an open and honest discussion.
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Upload the video, let's see a clip of you telling the teams best player you think he should be traded!
 
TBpup said:
Ridiculous.....who are the Dame haters? Please identify them. Is there a debate over the direction of the future of the franchise? Sure...and there should be. But "untouchable" is certainly a personal opinion. FAR better players have been traded. All for the debate, but seriously, you are a better poster than to have to resort to random generalized accusations of "haters" that can "f right off".

Who are the specific "haters". I'd like to see the actual list of people who hate Dame.
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Hating on Dame isn't wanting to trade him to a contender for a ton of draft capital and talented players, hating on Dame would be sending him to the Rockets and wanting all their picks and talented young guys leaving him with nothing.
I have yet to see one Blazer fan that hates or disrespects Dame. What I do see is some Blazer fans that see an opportunity that only comes around once in a very long time, while sending Dame to a contender so he has a chance to get a ring. He doesn't have much of a chance here.
I actually think it's selfish to want to keep Dame here with no chance for a ring because he's the goat. The next best thing to winning a ring in Portland would be winning one somewhere else. But let's keep him here and rub that magic 3rd pick and wish for a different scenario where Portland trades for an all-star or 3 and has a ton of cap flexibility to sign depth.
 
Haakzilla said:
...and just like that, let the wildfires spread :sigh: gonna be on every talkshow, podcast, and radio within 24hrs :dunno:

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This shit is good for business, in my opinion. It actually raises the value of the pick if the perception around the league is that moving Dame and keeping the pick is actually an option. I want Dame to stay and for us to move whatever draft assets (present and future) that we can to put the best team around him that we can for the next four years at least. That being said, if teams around the league are hellbent on using that first option as unfair leverage (and I think it's Joe's first option to build around Dame as well) then fuck 'em and trade Dame for a package that helps a youth rebuild really get started. I do believe keeping the "fuck 'em and trade Dame" option on the table increases our likelihood of optimizing the value of our assets that we can send out to bring in a roster that could compete immediately with Dame as the starting PG.
 
tykendo said:
When Sharpe is peaking. When the Blazers unlock their future assets, they're most likely only going to 2029. 6 years. Sharpe would be 26 . Twenty freakin' six. That gives him , potentially , another decade to be special. Plenty of time to add free agents and so on. The ONLY way this team has a chance to compete for a title in the next 4 to 6 years is with Dame and added elements. It ain't happening with one & doners. OKC is in year 7 of the rebuild, and only if Chet is the real deal, does OKC have a chance to compete for a title within the next 5 to 6 years.
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OKC "7 years of rebuild" had them in the playoffs in 2020. So during this time they've had two years of lottery, one playin year, one playoffs, and won 3 playoff games.

Blazers had had two years in the lottery, two in the playoffs, and have won the same 3 playoff games.

We have the same playoff success as rebuilding teams but without the rebuilding assets. Why not accomplish the same thing but keep all our young assets and picks for the future?
 
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