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blazerfan11 said:
. They measured 6’ 5.75” without shoes, 8’ 7.5/8.0” standing reach, 7 foot wingspan.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2023

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so that was from Wednesday and Thursday..?

IMO, it's a little chickenshit that Scoot and Miller didn't participate. I suppose they'll be measured by each team they workout for

* Taylor Hendricks had good length
* Jarace Walker was just 6'6.5 but had a 7'2.5 wingspan and was 249 pounds
* Cam Whtmore the same height and standing reach of the Thompsons, but a shorter wingspan; and about 20 pounds heavier
 
wizenheimer said:
so that was from Wednesday and Thursday..?

IMO, it's a little chickenshit that Scoot and Miller didn't participate. I suppose they'll be measured by each team they workout for

* Taylor Hendricks had good length
* Jarace Walker was just 6'6.5 but had a 7'2.5 wingspan and was 249 pounds
* Cam Whtmore the same height and standing reach of the Thompsons, but a shorter wingspan; and about 20 pounds heavier
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"While the top prospects in this year's class like Paolo Banchero, Chet Holmgren, Jabari Smith Jr., Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe did not participate in the combine – which has become the norm over recent years – it left an opening for under-the-radar players to shine on this stage."

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba...e the top prospects in,to shine on this stage.
 
blazerfan11 said:
"While the top prospects in this year's class like Paolo Banchero, Chet Holmgren, Jabari Smith Jr., Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe did not participate in the combine – which has become the norm over recent years – it left an opening for under-the-radar players to shine on this stage."

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-draft-combine-2022-paolo-banchero-chet-holmgren-top-prospects-sleepers/b07ustaf5lb8tb9iiwffshxj#:~:text=While the top prospects in,to shine on this stage.
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Sharpe participated

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doesn't change my opinion that not participating is a little chickenshit. I know it's agent driven, but still...

as for top prospects this season; Wemby gets a pass. If I use this mock draft:

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/2023-nba-mock-draft/

of the top 20 prospects after Wemby, the only 3 that didn't participate were Scoot, Miller, and Keyonte George
 
Predator said:
Yes, thought that was pretty clear “Dame was not thrilled that night … Dame would’ve preferred if they traded the pick for OG”. Seems pretty clear it was about last years pick, since the draft hasn’t happened this year.

But what I thought was interesting was how Dame was skeptical of Sharpe since he wanted OG.

Also, it makes me even more sure that if we keep this years pick Dame is gonna lose his mind.
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And maybe be wrong again.
 
inconceivable said:
Any Dame trade gotta be to a team that even after the trade is still a contender while also giving us fair value in return, otherwise what's the point of trading him?
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...and then you name a bunch of players currently in the league, who IYO don't cut it. Fine, however if I'm Joe moving Dame (which I truly don't think is happening this offseason), I want my value back to come primarily in draft capitol so I can build my vision around the young guys who obviously need time too.

STOMP
 
wizenheimer said:
Sharpe participated. Doesn't change my opinion that not participating is a little chickenshit.
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He halfway participated allowing himself to be measured but opting out of all the athletic tests so... medium sized chickenshit?

STOMP
 
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so, last season Dame wanted the pick traded but Portland could find an equitable trade so they kept the pick, used it, and Dame became ok with it...and maybe wasn't as opposed, at the time, as suggested in that interview

in other words, Dame's perspective can evolve according to situation
 
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STOMP said:
fingers crossed

Portland isn't winning a title next year. Anyone on board with this team should be focused on a couple years out at a minimum.

STOMP
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If we trade for Embiid, we can win next year. Embiid/Dame vs Jokic/Murray would be an epic WCF.
 
wizenheimer said:
so, last season Dame wanted the pick traded but Portland could find an equitable trade so they kept the pick, used it, and Dame became ok with it...and maybe wasn't as opposed, at the time, as suggested in that interview

in other words, Dame's perspective and evolve according to situation
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And if Schmitz and co decide to keep a pick, I've got no doubts he'll come around on said player(s)
 
I think the difficulty when looking at trading the pick is finding someone worthy of pick #3 to trade it for. And there's not many, IMO. Most guys either fall in the far too good for 3 area, or aren't good enough for 3. What I could see happening is a number of trades made to attempt to stack the roster. This has maybe already been discussed here or elsewhere. But can see something like Simons and 3 to Orlando for 6,11, Denver '25, and like Wendell Carter. Or Cole Anthony instead of the '25 pick. Then 6 to Toronto for OG and 13. Nurk and 13 to Chicago for Derozan and our pick returned. Maybe it's then 11 and Carter to Brooklyn for Claxton, 21 and 22.

Dame/Anthony
Derozan/Sharpe
OG/Thybulle
Grant/Walker
Claxton/Watford

With picks 21, 22 and 23. Ideally we keep at least 1 for cheap youth to continue to build with, maybe 2. Then look to trade one or 2 for better depth pieces, maybe instead of Cole Anthony, or a better backup big man that can play the 4/5?
Anunoby's only 26. Claxton is 24. Sharpe is only 20. So while you're committing to "going all in", you still have talented young pieces that will all be roughly hitting their prime when Dame falls out of his, so you didn't completely mortgage your future for the present. You have great defenders in OG, Thybulle and Claxton. Good defender in Grant. Decent in Derozan. switchability on the wings. Lots of length. And hopefully Schmitz works some magic with the late picks so as the old guys exit, those pieces take their place.
 
RR7 said:
I think the difficulty when looking at trading the pick is finding someone worthy of pick #3 to trade it for. And there's not many, IMO. Most guys either fall in the far too good for 3 area, or aren't good enough for 3. What I could see happening is a number of trades made to attempt to stack the roster. This has maybe already been discussed here or elsewhere. But can see something like Simons and 3 to Orlando for 6,11, Denver '25, and like Wendell Carter. Or Cole Anthony instead of the '25 pick. Then 6 to Toronto for OG and 13. Nurk and 13 to Chicago for Derozan and our pick returned. Maybe it's then 11 and Carter to Brooklyn for Claxton, 21 and 22.

Dame/Anthony
Derozan/Sharpe
OG/Thybulle
Grant/Walker
Claxton/Watford

With picks 21, 22 and 23. Ideally we keep at least 1 for cheap youth to continue to build with, maybe 2. Then look to trade one or 2 for better depth pieces, maybe instead of Cole Anthony, or a better backup big man that can play the 4/5?
Anunoby's only 26. Claxton is 24. Sharpe is only 20. So while you're committing to "going all in", you still have talented young pieces that will all be roughly hitting their prime when Dame falls out of his, so you didn't completely mortgage your future for the present. You have great defenders in OG, Thybulle and Claxton. Good defender in Grant. Decent in Derozan. switchability on the wings. Lots of length. And hopefully Schmitz works some magic with the late picks so as the old guys exit, those pieces take their place.
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And then when Scoot or someone else we could have picked at 3 becomes a star, we will once again feel like shit.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And then when Scoot or someone else we could have picked at 3 becomes a star, we will once again feel like shit.
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Bunch of eeyore's in here anyways. Fuck 'em. That's easily a HCA team, IMO. Potentially fighting for #1 seed. The 15th pick is probably going to turn in to the star of the draft, and half this board will be bitching because we should have taken whoever that ends up being at 3.
 
RR7 said:
Bunch of eeyore's in here anyways. Fuck 'em. That's easily a HCA team, IMO. Potentially fighting for #1 seed. The 15th pick is probably going to turn in to the star of the draft, and half this board will be bitching because we should have taken whoever that ends up being at 3.
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I don’t feel that way. I don’t think that team is that great. DeRozan is overrated.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don’t feel that way. I don’t think that team is that great. DeRozan is overrated.
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You have 4 starters capable of scoring 20 on any given night, as well as a 6th man capable of the same, so offense is no issue at all with that team. You have 2 elite wing defenders in Thybulle and OG, and a close to elite defender at C in Claxton, making your defense likely top 10 as well. I fail to see how that's an Olshey special or treadmill team. Scoot Henderson can't shoot for shit. Everyone says oh, once they fix a jumper, blah blah about so many prospects, but generally...those guys don't fix their jumper. How excited was Philly jumping to #1 to get Markelle Fultz? New dynasty incoming! Couldn't shoot for shit. And now he's a mediocre guard who'll likely be on his 3rd team next year or the year after already.
It's really simple to sit back and project that each draftee is going to hit on their sky high potential, and say our team X number of years from now with whoever and Sharpe is gonna be dominating things. But it's a lot more realistic to look at recent drafts and see how many guys many in here would likely have sold the farm(Dame) to draft are shit. Just going back a decade or so and looking at the top 10, and it's littered with garbage, and guys already out of the league. I don't think that'l be Scoot. But I don't think Scoot and Sharpe somehow puts us on a title track quicker than the pie in the sky roster I pout together.
 
STOMP said:
...and then you name a bunch of players currently in the league, who IYO don't cut it. Fine, however if I'm Joe moving Dame (which I truly don't think is happening this offseason), I want my value back to come primarily in draft capitol so I can build my vision around the young guys who obviously need time too.

STOMP
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Can a supermax player be traded for only draft picks? My understanding is the other team needs to send us player/s plus picks for Dame. Maybe it's possible, I just haven't seen a recent example
 
RR7 said:
You have 4 starters capable of scoring 20 on any given night, as well as a 6th man capable of the same, so offense is no issue at all with that team. You have 2 elite wing defenders in Thybulle and OG, and a close to elite defender at C in Claxton, making your defense likely top 10 as well. I fail to see how that's an Olshey special or treadmill team. Scoot Henderson can't shoot for shit. Everyone says oh, once they fix a jumper, blah blah about so many prospects, but generally...those guys don't fix their jumper. How excited was Philly jumping to #1 to get Markelle Fultz? New dynasty incoming! Couldn't shoot for shit. And now he's a mediocre guard who'll likely be on his 3rd team next year or the year after already.
It's really simple to sit back and project that each draftee is going to hit on their sky high potential, and say our team X number of years from now with whoever and Sharpe is gonna be dominating things. But it's a lot more realistic to look at recent drafts and see how many guys many in here would likely have sold the farm(Dame) to draft are shit. Just going back a decade or so and looking at the top 10, and it's littered with garbage, and guys already out of the league. I don't think that'l be Scoot. But I don't think Scoot and Sharpe somehow puts us on a title track quicker than the pie in the sky roster I pout together.
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It’s not that it’s necessarily an Olshey special. It’s that I don’t think the team has a legit second star. I don’t think that team could win a chip and I’m personally going to be opposed to dealing the 3rd pick if we don’t have a real shot at a title.

Embiid for all my concerns would give us a legit shot. That move would be worth the risk.

Brown might be worth the risk. He’s not really wowing me against Miami.

I just don’t put DeRozan on the same level as even Brown or Siakam. And I’m not in love with Siakam, but I think he would give us a better chance than DeRozan.
 
inconceivable said:
Can a supermax player be traded for only draft picks? My understanding is the other team needs to send us player/s plus picks for Dame. Maybe it's possible, I just haven't seen a recent example
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an example of what I'm talking about could be Ben Simmons (injured w/a massive deal) + draft capitol. What I'm saying is that the value back I'd be seeking could in the picks & not so much in the players.

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
an example of what I'm talking about could be Ben Simmons (injured w/a massive deal) + draft capitol. What I'm saying is that the value back I'd be seeking could in the picks & not so much in the players.

STOMP
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Dame
Mikal Bridges
Cam Johnson
Dorian Finney Smith
Nic Claxton

That'll be their starting unit and now we have all their picks.

What I'm trying to say is it wont be easy to find a trade partner for Dame where Dame is happy, his new team is legit contender and Blazers get paid fairly
 
RonBrewer said:
Yay or nay?

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so let me get this straight...

* Blazers send out #3 + Nurkic + Little for #13 + OG + Capela. Verdict: Blazers lose a 3rd pick and don't gain anybody close to being an all-star. Vote no because the Blazers are back to treading water after expending the best pick they've had since 2007....16 years ago

* Rockets send out a #4 pick and somefucking how get back a #3 + Nurkic. Verdict: WTF?

* Raptors send out OG and get back a #4 pick and Little. Verdict: fuck the Raptors. They are overvaluing they're players to a ridiculous level and shouldn't be rewarded for it
 
inconceivable said:
What I'm trying to say is it wont be easy to find a trade partner for Dame where Dame is happy, his new team is legit contender and Blazers get paid fairly
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with as much as he makes, it's obvious that any move would have to be on the bigger side. Putting a team's present over the top by adding Lillard for gutting their future is what I'd seek if I were Joe looking to move him. Win win all around

STOMP
 
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