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It sure would be interesting to know what Damian Lillard thinks and how he feels. Or anyone for that matter.
 
wizenheimer said:
so, last season Dame wanted the pick traded but Portland could find an equitable trade so they kept the pick, used it, and Dame became ok with it...and maybe wasn't as opposed, at the time, as suggested in that interview

in other words, Dame's perspective can evolve according to situation
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My guess is Dame will be at most of the workouts or at least Miller and Scoots. You want to get his buyin if you decide to keep the pick
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think it’s very likely that Joe knows he can’t make the moves that will make Dame happy, and he is just trying to put him off until the right time to trade him.
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Never count out an even dumber GM.

Signed,
Danny Ainge.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Carter 6 and 11
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Yeah, if I could get Carter, 6 and 11, for 3 and Nurk I'd feel good about getting Brown or Bridges for Ant, 6 and 11 not to mention 23. How could those teams turn that down, especially if Dame has those dudes asking to get traded here.

I think we could get either of those guys for Ant 6, and 11. I think we could get Hartenstein for 23 and we could get both an upperclassman PG at 45 and a sixth man with the TPMLE.

That's Dame, Shaedon, Bridges/Brown, Jerami, Carter, TPMLE, Hartenstein, Matisse, pick 45 and/or Mays as our nine man rotation with guys like Nas, Trendon, pick 45 or Mays and more fighting for spot minutes. That could really be an impressive roster.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think it’s very likely that Joe knows he can’t make the moves that will make Dame happy, and he is just trying to put him off until the right time to trade him.
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I don't know about "very likely" but this is the other side of the coin. I think Joe is either working really hard right now or pretending to work hard to get the best veteran, all star returns for our draft capital in this draft and the future. I think that the side of the coin that you're looking at is that Joe doesn't think he can get fair value for all of the draft capital we have and will tell Dame that, draft who he wants with Shae and trade Dame and anyone else that doesn't fit his vision for a future that doesn't start contending for at least three or four years. As far as keeping his job, this might be the smartest way to go but it isn't the most competitive path that Joe could choose. Again, we wait and see.
 
If the Lakers owned this pick, you know how much more valuable it'd be in hypothetical trade negotiations?

Almost every trade idea I see involving this pick is straight-up bad. If Scoot falls to 3, I think the Blazers will get a much better deal for the pick than people are expecting.

You have a ton of Nets fans who think they can trade Ben Simmons and a couple late 1sts for Dame but Mikal Bridges (someone who's never even been an all-star before) is worth much more than Scoot Henderson (someone who'd go #1 in a lot of drafts).

I know "every fanbase overrates their own players", but my goodness does it seem like every trade idea thrown out there involving the Blazers has to have them getting absolutely fleeced.
 
Is this a team that can make noise in the playoffs?

Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Grant
Claxton

Would need to absolutely go in on the right MLE FA and the 23rd pick contributes somewhat, and think we'd be decent.
 
illmatic99 said:
Is this a team that can make noise in the playoffs?

Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Grant
Claxton

Would need to absolutely go in on the right MLE FA and the 23rd pick contributes somewhat, and think we'd be decent.
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Which team is better?

Dame
OG
Grant
Siakam
Nurk
Sharpe - sixth man
 
inconceivable said:
Send them Nurk, they give us Poeltl to compensate. Not sure that adds up either
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Poeltl is a FA so nope unfortunately.

I proposed 3 + 23+ Ant + Nurk for OG and Pascal earlier this week.

We'd have to land a usable C in the FA for our MLE but Id roll with Pascal as small ball center tbh.

OG/Grant/Siakam is a super switchy lineup. Just go zone all the time
 
illmatic99 said:
Poeltl is a FA so nope unfortunately.

I proposed 3 + 23+ Ant + Nurk for OG and Pascal earlier this week.

We'd have to land a usable C in the FA for our MLE but Id roll with Pascal as small ball center tbh.

OG/Grant/Siakam is a super switchy lineup. Just go zone all the time
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I can roll with acquiring any two of Mikal Clax OG Siakam
 
I just watched a documentary about th 96 draft. Unbelievable amount of talent that year.



I learned Steph Marbury and Ray Allen were drafted 4 and 5 then immediately swapped minutes later
 
illmatic99 said:
Is this a team that can make noise in the playoffs?

Dame
Sharpe
Bridges
Grant
Claxton

Would need to absolutely go in on the right MLE FA and the 23rd pick contributes somewhat, and think we'd be decent.
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One issue here is Sharpe. I'm a huge Sharpe fan, but he's still 19. Unlikely hes even as good as Ant next year. Now 5 years out I love his upside. But if your talking about only next season, and a team trying to contend, he's the weak link of that lineup. Really need another guard, Hart would've been perfect as a gatekeeping starter or great backup.

But if the Blazers can get Bridges and Claxton for #3 and Ant that might actually be good enough to proceed with. I'd hold out for Nurk in place of Ant. I'm doubtful the Blazers would get offered either though.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think it’s very likely that Joe knows he can’t make the moves that will make Dame happy, and he is just trying to put him off until the right time to trade him.
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from everything both Dame and Cronin have said I don't think that's likely at all, at least not the part about putting him off. It sure sounds like Cronin communicates with Dame constantly. In fact, that level of communication my be something that will make Dame more reluctant to ask out

now, it could very well be that there no good trade will materialize around the draft; at least none that makes sense and doesn't have Portland significantly overpaying. But I've seen enough of Dame to believe that he'd recognize a lop-sided trade where Portland is getting screwed and be OK with the Blazers turning it down

if Dame does ask out, my hunch is it won't come at the end of June or the middle of July as many in the trade-Dame-now camp are hoping. I think he wants to stay in Portland badly enough that he would give the Blazers the rest of the off-season and till next season's trade deadline. More big trades happen around then anyway
 
wizenheimer said:
from everything both Dame and Cronin have said I don't think that's likely at all, at least not the part about putting him off. It sure sounds like Cronin communicates with Dame constantly. In fact, that level of communication my be something that will make Dame more reluctant to ask out

now, it could very well be that there no good trade will materialize around the draft; at least none that makes sense and doesn't have Portland significantly overpaying. But I've seen enough of Dame to believe that he'd recognize a lop-sided trade where Portland is getting screwed and be OK with the Blazers turning it down

if Dame does ask out, my hunch is it won't come at the end of June or the middle of July as many in the trade-Dame-now camp are hoping. I think he wants to stay in Portland badly enough that he would give the Blazers the rest of the off-season and till next season's trade deadline. More big trades happen around then anyway
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The thing is, is OG or even Siakam for #3 + change "Portland getting screwed"?

Some might say yes.

Some might say no.

But it's obviously the right move if you want to win now.

Something that our GM admitted in his postseason presser, saying "We're going to have to take a risk and not worry about what the player we could've drafted ends up as" or something like that.

In my opinion, to move the #3 pick, it's gotta be a clear winner. If it's an "eh" or "meh". we technically aren't getting screwed, but I'd say we are.

And that's what I worry about with Dame. If there is a "toss up" trade, how's he gonna feel?

I'm leaning towards not good.
 
LayneStaley said:
I don’t get the OG love, dude has missed 88 games the past 3 seasons. No thanks.
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He's not my favorite option either, but, he's probably the most attainable out of all the pie-in-the-sky options we've been presented
 
Predator said:
The thing is, is OG or even Siakam for #3 + change "Portland getting screwed"?

Some might say yes.

Some might say no.

But it's obviously the right move if you want to win now.

Something that our GM admitted in his postseason presser, saying "We're going to have to take a risk and not worry about what the player we could've drafted ends up as" or something like that.

In my opinion, to move the #3 pick, it's gotta be a clear winner. If it's an "eh" or "meh". we technically aren't getting screwed, but I'd say we are.

And that's what I worry about with Dame. If there is a "toss up" trade, how's he gonna feel?

I'm leaning towards not good.
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Win what now? Is the goal to win a championship, the conference, or just more than they lose? The Blazers need to come up with a clearly defined goal and a plan to achieve it.

Partially with that in mind, I don't think the "OG or even Siakam for #3 + change " is obviously the right move to win now. It's taking a step toward an immediately better record. However, I, personally, don't think that's what Dame wants and I hope it's not what the organization wants because we've seen a number of these quick fixes do nothing but jack up a decaying roster in the short terms but leading to a more precipitous fall not long after (Powell, RoCo, Nance). Anunoby, IMO, is almost that exact same kind of move. Siakam and filler for 3 and filler? Maybe I could be sold on that.

However, if the Raptors wanted all kinds of other stuff with 7 just for OG last year, I can't imagine they're going to be very cooperative in dealing either Siakam or OG for 3.

Anyway, it boils down to this: Teams win because they have talent. Then there's fit/chemistry and then there's coaching. Talent will always, always give a team a big head start if it has aspirations of contending.

One would hope Dame would realize that his preference might also require someone to make chicken salad out of chicken ####, that he'd see the results of largely meh moves the past couple of years, look at himself and know that he's likely got several years of tread in his tires and say "If we can't get a slam dunk of a trade for the 3, give me the best player we can draft and let's work for a 2-3 year window toward getting this done the right way, the smart way instead of the desperate way of throwing darts at the wall." Understand that pressuring the team to make some kind of move with the 3 for an established player hasn't made it easier for the team to give you what you want, too, and it actually might push you farther from your target.

Hopefully, Dame understands that. It's common sense, and, while I don't know him personally, he generally comes off as pretty sensible. However, if he's saying he's been patient with the Blazers making him a winner in Portland (a goal one would think the organization itself shares purely for itself) and he wants to see results NOW because Olshey's moves didn't work, I think he's being unreasonable and going to ultimately be disappointed in a number of ways.
 
Just a couple of thoughts;

So much talk of Dame and Cronin talking all of the time, presumably about potential trades. Is Cronin talking to Dame about the offers he is getting FOR Dame? Would be interesting.

Personally, I do not think Portland will draft Scoot if he is there at 3 AND they plan for Dame staying in Portland. I believe they can easily trade down with Houston or Orlando for their pick(s) and additional capital and do quite well.
 
BIG Q said:
Just a couple of thoughts;

So much talk of Dame and Cronin talking all of the time, presumably about potential trades. Is Cronin talking to Dame about the offers he is getting FOR Dame? Would be interesting.

Personally, I do not think Portland will draft Scoot if he is there at 3 AND they plan for Dame staying in Portland. I believe they can easily trade down with Houston or Orlando for their pick(s) and additional capital and do quite well.
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That would be so dumb. If you have the possibility to draft Scoot, you go for it no matter what and figure out the rest later
 
Labinot41 said:
That would be so dumb. If you have the possibility to draft Scoot, you go for it no matter what and figure out the rest later
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This GM and the last GM have challenged the paramaters of dumb, so dont sell them short.
 
wizenheimer said:
from everything both Dame and Cronin have said I don't think that's likely at all, at least not the part about putting him off. It sure sounds like Cronin communicates with Dame constantly. In fact, that level of communication my be something that will make Dame more reluctant to ask out

now, it could very well be that there no good trade will materialize around the draft; at least none that makes sense and doesn't have Portland significantly overpaying. But I've seen enough of Dame to believe that he'd recognize a lop-sided trade where Portland is getting screwed and be OK with the Blazers turning it down

if Dame does ask out, my hunch is it won't come at the end of June or the middle of July as many in the trade-Dame-now camp are hoping. I think he wants to stay in Portland badly enough that he would give the Blazers the rest of the off-season and till next season's trade deadline. More big trades happen around then anyway
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Yeah I tend to think the same, even if the Blazers draft Scoot or something, I expect Dame will wait in case Embiid or a star does become available as all free agency is still in motion. The Blazers could possibly trade with them in early July. So that pushes Dame trade requests until the middle of July or later.

Only hick up or thing that might accelerate this is Grant wanting to resign or leaving depending on Dame. Or the Blazers wanting Dame situation resolved before opening the bank to Grant.
 
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