We got the #3 pick. Discuss the possibilities. (9 Viewers)

[SharpesTriumph]

It looks like Houston is done with their rebuild and is trying to win now. So that makes them a possible destination for a potential Dame trade, they sure have many young players and a lot of picks to trade

Yeah I've heard similar about Houston. For example; Ryan Russilo said on his podcast they actually don't want to add another high lottery pick as they have so many already they are concerned it will be too many young players in the same development cycle wanting to possibly all increase their shots and all get rookie extensions at the same time.

Yeah Dame for #4 makes a lot of sense. Houston has massive cap room so they can actually absorb most if not all of Dame's entire salary, even while signing Harden. They also have a lot of future picks, if your someone who thinks the Blazers should hold out for a bit more in return. This would give the Blazers a huge trade exception which they have a year to use.

Then draft something like both Scoot/Miller and Amen Thompson at #3 and #4.

Anfernee Simons
Shaedon Sharpe
Amen Thompson
Brandon Miller
#23?

Trade Nurk now or at the deadline
Sign and Trade Grant - or sign with the intent to trade later

Just saw that Larry Nance trade is protected until 2028 - LMAO didn't realize it was possible to encumber for that damn long, fuck you Neil Olshey. Unlikely we are in the lottery for all of 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, and 2028; but I after going so young I certainly wouldn't worry about trying to free up that Chicago pick any time soon.

With pick #3 and #4 would we want to try and do a deal with Charlotte to target Scoot at #2?
How would we use a Dame trade exception?

Yeah this team sucks next season in terms of winning games - but it would be super exciting to watch all these elite star prospects, the possibility of adding more talent at the 2024 draft, and think about what younger veterans could eventually complement this core in trade or free agency. I'd much rather follow this team trying to push for the playin spot, then these laughable Blazer teams the last 4 years trying to push for the playin spot.

Who knows - maybe in 5 years an old Dame comes home to Portland just as LeBron did or Harden is exploring, but for the first time since his first seasons with an actual legit talented core alongside him.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

This is a better resource for picks:
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
and
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team


Atlanta '23
Atlanta '24 - (Portland already had partial control of the pick with protections - Atlanta removed all protections now)
Atlanta '25 - (Portland only gets it if Atlanta's pick is 31-40 - otherwise it goes to OKC.)
Memphis '26 - (Portland only gets it if Memphis' pick is 43-60 - otherwise it goes to Utah.)
GSW '28

The Hart trade, Portland gave up
'27 - Better of NOP and POR will go to CHA. The worst of the two will go to POR.
Portland '29 - Goes to PHI

This site is good too;
https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Years/index.htm

 

[Labinot41]

Orlando doesn't have nearly as many picks. And the 4th is worth more than the 6th and 11th.

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If you get Scoot at 3, you trade Simons. If you get Miller, you keep Simons and send out Nurk.

But you could go into next season with:
Scoot
Sharpe
Eason
Smith Jr
Sengun

And then with the 4th you take Amen Thompson. We have a ton of young talent and picks to start our rebuild.

I would want all Brooklyn picks unprotected and all Houston picks unprotected past 2026.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Such a weird tweet. Who the fuck has ever worried about stopping PatBev from doing anything but getting away with constantly fouling without getting called for it? The dude is a journeyman who belongs on the bench of a team that doesn't mind his obnoxious behavior. As for the beard... he's a very talented dude but like Russ, I think his huge stats rarely equal big wins. Harden has had way better rosters than the one he (and I guess that scrub PatBev) would have in Houston and he didn't win a lot with those rosters.

Houston was the only team to give those Durant GS teams a run - they nearly beat them in game 6 and game 7 - so he certainly won a lot those years.

 

[Strenuus]

Houston was the only team to give those Durant GS teams a run - they nearly beat them in game 6 and game 7 - so he certainly won a lot those years.

Those years being the operative words.

 

[wizenheimer]

lol...and why would Houston trade 3 of their top-4 players and all their notable draft capital for Dame?...so he can lead them to the Lottery next season?

if your team had just won 22 games, losing 60, and you were locked into a rebuild, would you trade 4 promising very young players, a 4th pick, and three other first's for a 33 year old 6'2 guard making 52M/year over the next 4 seasons?

 

[Strenuus]

lol...and why would Houston trade 3 of their top-4 players and all their notable draft capital for Dame?...so he can lead them to the Lottery next season?

if your team had just won 22 games, losing 60, and you were locked into a rebuild, would you trade 4 promising very young players, a 4th pick, and three other first's for a 33 year old 6'2 guard making 52M/year over the next 4 seasons?

Yeah. It's the same thing as that Toronto trade. Fleece the fuck out of someone and just think it's going to happen lol

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I see a lot trade ideas what if the other 29 other teams don't want the 3rd pick to force Dame asking for a trade has anybody thought about that situation. Teams might try to force Dame and the blazers to end up forcing either Dame saying he wants out that's real good possible.

Yes I could see this being a real thing. Not for a team like Houston, they don't have veterans to give us. But for example Brooklyn or Boston it certainly could be a blocker in Bridges or Brown coming to PDX to play with Dame.

Boston might believe they can send Brown out for Dame - maybe not directly, but in a 3 way trade where the Blazers get youth/picks.

Brooklyn might believe they can pair Dame with Bridges in Brooklyn. They don't have their pick so won't have the rebuilding with your own lottery picks benefit teams normally always have. They have a ton of great picks from the Durant Suns trade, some from Philly, and now some more of their own. Dame was at a Nets playoff game supporting Bridges in Brooklyn - just imagine the rumors if that situation had been reversed.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

That's a long con game and I don't think some teams want to help gift wrap a top 75 all time player to someone.

It would be a team like the Nets or Celtics thinking they could directly benefit in a Dame trade - and not wanting to send out their elite SF. Heck even Toronto might be thinking they could get in on a Dame trade to pairing him on the Raptors with Siakam.

I don't believe any franchise would hold off on sending a veteran to Portland just to prevent a 3rd team from getting Dame. But if they directly could benefit from Dame being traded - yes they most certainly could hold off doing a different trade that the Blazers might feel an immediate pressure to do.

 

[illmatic99]

The Raptors beat writer for the Athletic proposed an idea:

Ant + Nas + 3 for Siakam + 13.

I would do that before they have a chance to think twice.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

lol...and why would Houston trade 3 of their top-4 players and all their notable draft capital for Dame?...so he can lead them to the Lottery next season?

if your team had just won 22 games, losing 60, and you were locked into a rebuild, would you trade 4 promising very young players, a 4th pick, and three other first's for a 33 year old 6'2 guard making 52M/year over the next 4 seasons?

No I don't think Houston trades the Blazers any players on their roster - they would just trade the #4 pick. Maybe at most one future pick or one player that isn't in their long term plans.

Dame is likely worth less than Brown in a trade - and many are saying Brown is worth about the #3 plus Ant. The #4 on its own seems close to similar value in that context.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The Raptors beat writer for the Athletic proposed an idea:

Ant + Nas + 3 for Siakam + 13.

I would do that before they have a chance to think twice.

Hell no, we give up the best asset, and we have no way to contend.

Although yes its better than just Ant 3 filler for Siakam.... however its still bad.

Only way I look at it is if the Blazers can flip 13, future firsts for another allstar in addition to Siakam. If its a good enough star (Embiid Brown Bridges) maybe explore throwing Sharpe in.

But just that above move on its own - hell no

 

[Labinot41]

lol...and why would Houston trade 3 of their top-4 players and all their notable draft capital for Dame?...so he can lead them to the Lottery next season?

if your team had just won 22 games, losing 60, and you were locked into a rebuild, would you trade 4 promising very young players, a 4th pick, and three other first's for a 33 year old 6'2 guard making 52M/year over the next 4 seasons?

Dumb owner without patience. Happens pretty often in sports

 

[blazerfan11]

Orlando doesn't have nearly as many picks. And the 4th is worth more than the 6th and 11th.

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If you get Scoot at 3, you trade Simons. If you get Miller, you keep Simons and send out Nurk.

But you could go into next season with:
Scoot
Sharpe
Eason
Smith Jr
Sengun

And then with the 4th you take Amen Thompson. We have a ton of young talent and picks to start our rebuild.

Franz Wagner is worth more to me than the 4th pick. The 2023 6th and 11th picks are worth more to me than future picks.

 

[Natebishop3]

Franz Wagner is worth more to me than the 4th pick. The 2023 6th and 11th picks are worth more to me than future picks.

Eason has a bright future in the league. I think Smith Jr could also still be a good player. I don't think Orlando is going to trade Wagner and the 6th and 11th. Or are you saying for Dame?

 

[Strenuus]

It would be a team like the Nets or Celtics thinking they could directly benefit in a Dame trade - and not wanting to send out their elite SF. Heck even Toronto might be thinking they could get in on a Dame trade to pairing him on the Raptors with Siakam.

I don't believe any franchise would hold off on sending a veteran to Portland just to prevent a 3rd team from getting Dame. But if they directly could benefit from Dame being traded - yes they most certainly could hold off doing a different trade that the Blazers might feel an immediate pressure to do.

But it could be said that while they drive the price down artificially, more suitors would then drive the price back up. It's not like Dame is gonna get worse.

But then again, we had the dumbest fucking GM this side of the dude who did the Brooklyn/Boston trade, so maybe I'm giving other GMs too much credit.

 

[Strenuus]

The Raptors beat writer for the Athletic proposed an idea:

Ant + Nas + 3 for Siakam + 13.

I would do that before they have a chance to think twice.

Eww. Siakim isn't even worth the 13th pick.

 

[HansenYang]

Orlando doesn't have nearly as many picks. And the 4th is worth more than the 6th and 11th.

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If you get Scoot at 3, you trade Simons. If you get Miller, you keep Simons and send out Nurk.

But you could go into next season with:
Scoot
Sharpe
Eason
Smith Jr
Sengun

And then with the 4th you take Amen Thompson. We have a ton of young talent and picks to start our rebuild.

I think that is a bit too much for Portland.

I was just looking at the same scenarios. Dame can't be traded until July 9th or 10th at the earliest. If the deal is in place, but not executed until August - the #4 pick can be included for salary matching purposes.

Dame - $45.6M
Keon - $2.8M
Walker - $1.7M

for

#4 - $9.2M
Porter Jr - $18.2M
Smith Jr - $9.2M
Eason - $3.5M
'25 pick (no impact on cap)

Portland sends out $50.1M, and Houston $40.3M.

Houston could sign Harden to a Max contract, sign a center/PF (Barnes or Vuvecic?) to a $17M contract - then execute this trade.
Rockets would still have the $7M room exception to round out the roster.

 

[Strenuus]

Dumb owner without patience. Happens pretty often in sports

Never bank on stupidity winning out. We had the 2nd dumbest GM in the history of the NBA they aren't all like that. Recalibrate.

 

[wizenheimer]

Brooklyn might believe they can pair Dame with Bridges in Brooklyn. They don't have their pick so won't have the rebuilding with your own lottery picks benefit teams normally always have. They have a ton of great picks from the Durant Suns trade, some from Philly, and now some more of their own. Dame was at a Nets playoff game supporting Bridges in Brooklyn - just imagine the rumors if that situation had been reversed.

Brooklyn has "a ton of great picks".....really??






They do have about 3.5 more first's coming in than they have going out, but one of the first's is conditional, could drop to a 2nd. And complicated swaps are involved. None of the certain 1st's are guaranteed to even be good, let alone great. Not a single guaranteed lottery pick, even one destined for the back of the lottery. And the ones that may be good are more than 4-6 years away from showing up even as potentially promising rookies...or not

and any trade with Brooklyn might require the Blazers to eat the fucked-up contract of Ben Simmons

 

[HansenYang]

The Raptors beat writer for the Athletic proposed an idea:

Ant + Nas + 3 for Siakam + 13.

I would do that before they have a chance to think twice.

I would probably reluctantly do this.
Ideally Portland could get either Precious or Koloko back as well.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

My issue with Siakam is we already have Grant IF we did not have Grant then I might be open to a deal like that ( sweetened a little more on Raps end ) but might consider it IF all other avenues closed but with Grant all but re-signed it would make ZERO sense.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

My issue with Siakam is we already have Grant IF we did not have Grant then I might be open to a deal like that ( sweetened a little more on Raps end ) but might consider it IF all other avenues closed but with Grant all but re-signed it would make ZERO sense.

Yeah Siakam and Grant are a horrible duo. Totally duplicate all of each others defensive positives and cover none of each others weaknesses. Its basically the frontcourt equivalent of DameCJ or DameAnt.

Yes I know Siakam is a good rebounder and Grant horrific - I'm talking defense. Offensively yes the duo would be fine, just like any of the three of Dame, CJ, and Ant on offense are fine. But with a Dame team every other position needs thought put into the defense if there is truly any plans of winning now.

 

[HansenYang]

My issue with Siakam is we already have Grant IF we did not have Grant then I might be open to a deal like that ( sweetened a little more on Raps end ) but might consider it IF all other avenues closed but with Grant all but re-signed it would make ZERO sense.

Grant is not a reason to upgrade the roster talent.

Besides Grant/Siakam can play together at either the SF/PF or PF/C. My preference would be Grant at SF because he's a terrible rebounder.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not only Miller, but there are guys taken in EVERY draft outside the top 10 who contribute right away.

Let's get one.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Brooklyn has "a ton of great picks".....really??

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They do have about 3.5 more first's coming in than they have going out, but one of the first's is conditional, could drop to a 2nd. And complicated swaps are involved. None of the certain 1st's are guaranteed to even be good, let alone great. Not a single guaranteed lottery pick, even one destined for the back of the lottery. And the ones that may be good are more than 4-6 years away from showing up even as potentially promising rookies...or not

and any trade with Brooklyn might require the Blazers to eat the fucked-up contract of Ben Simmons

Brooklyn also has their own picks in 2028, 2029, 2030. Yes they have plenty of unprotected picks to trade out - those Phoenix unprotected picks are great. What do they have - probably 6 years of them or something like that? Compared to a team like the Lakers or Clippers or Heat / etc that have just 1 or 2 years.

Yeah eating Simmons contract is fine - first the Blazers have to match salaries next season which is a wash. Then Simmons deal is an expiring contract. News flash - the Blazers are tanking the next two years if they trade Dame, they don't need production from that salary spot.

What is there; a 5-10% chance Simmons regains value as an expiring? Its not likely, but not impossible either. If so its a bonus. If not, well fine the point was getting the picks. Simmons is just salary filler, and would potentially get the Blazers even more picks to take that on which is great.

 

[illmatic99]

I would probably reluctantly do this.
Ideally Portland could get either Precious or Koloko back as well.

I feel like so many people on this forum don't realize how good Siakam is. The multiple comparisons to Grant as if they're equals.... Baffling. The guy averaged 24/8/6 last year and we are nitpicking about stuff? He'd be a definitive #2 that fits a positional need. And he plays defense.

The only worry for me is to ensure he has an extension in place.

And keeping Nurk while also having 13 and 23 gives you a chance to find a better fitting center as well. I think that deal is a solid triple for us if not a homerun.

 

[illmatic99]

Eww. Siakim isn't even worth the 13th pick.

Not sure you realize who Pascal is...?

 

[illmatic99]

Hell no, we give up the best asset, and we have no way to contend.

Although yes its better than just Ant 3 filler for Siakam.... however its still bad.

Only way I look at it is if the Blazers can flip 13, future firsts for another allstar in addition to Siakam. If its a good enough star (Embiid Brown Bridges) maybe explore throwing Sharpe in.

But just that above move on its own - hell no

Bridges is a star but Siakam is not? What in the world?

Just for your reference, Pascal has made two all nba teams but Bridges has yet to make a single all star game.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yeah Siakam and Grant are a horrible duo. Totally duplicate all of each others defensive positives and cover none of each others weaknesses. Its basically the frontcourt equivalent of DameCJ or DameAnt.

Yes I know Siakam is a good rebounder and Grant horrific - I'm talking defense. Offensively yes the duo would be fine, just like any of the three of Dame, CJ, Ant. But with a Dame team every other position needs thought put into the defense if there is truly any thoughts of winning now.

So you acknowledge offensively they work fine, and that Siakam is a much better rebounder, yet they are a "horrible" duo?
I still don't agree with this at all. Who would work better and still give us what Siakam brings offensively? I am guessing that most other
options will also have a weakness somewhere in their game. Siakam is a solid 230 lbs. Grant is a solid 210. I don't see a whole lot of similarities in their game.