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Natebishop3 said:
There's a huge difference between flopping and trying to draw the charge. Guys like Kevin Martin and James Harden will intentionally run into you and then fall down like they were shot.
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Exactly. Selling the charge is one thing. Running directly into a player, essentially committing the foul, then bounced off like you've been hit by a car and drawing a foul call on your victim is flat out unsportsmanlike and should be fined accordingly. Same with doing the same bad acting job when the defender didn't come with a foot of you. That should be a technical and a fine.
 
RoxFan said:
Hey guys, Houston fan over here. I think its going to be a hard fought series with about 100 3s attempted a game between the both of us lol. I say it goes to 7 (Please please Houston get home court). I know most of you guys think we are dirty and flop a lot, i do agree we flop a lot but i would say all teams flop to a certain extent. Mainly its Harden and Lin who do the most flopping. Most people think Beverley is dirty but i just think he plays hard nosed defense and doesn't give up. He is in the NBA for one reason and one reason alone, defense, he wants to stay in the league and he knows that his defense is the only way to do it. I kinda blame the new school NBA for being soft and labeling any hard nosed defender dirty. If Beverley played int he 80' and 90's he most definitely would not be called dirty. But i do understand that i am biased and that you guys probably think differently.

Either way i wish you guys health and luck and hope for it to be a great series. Beverley is going to have his hands full trying to make it hard on Lillard who is a stud. Same with Mathews on Harden. We don't have any 4 who can guard LMA, we might have to resort to trying to play Asik and Howard together to attempt to slow him down. Batum and Parsons is going to be fun to watch, they are pretty even if you ask me one is a little better D and the other is a little better on O. Lopez will probably have trouble guarding Howard but you never know how Howard's offence is going to turn out. Some knights he looks unstoppable and other nights Bargnani shuts him down one on one :/.
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My problem with Bev isn't his defense, it's that the refs let him get away with things that most people don't get away with. There's a problem in the NBA with refs allowing players to get away with more physical defense if they have a reputation as a "good defender" and Beverley is a good example of that. He is able to do well against Dame because he can body him and push him around on the perimeter. This essentially neutralizes Lillard's quickness. Ask any of the older players and they'll tell you that taking away hand checking made it extremely difficult to stop quick players, but for some reason Bev is allowed to get away with it.

It's just another example of the NBA being inconsistent in how it calls fouls. Also, I think Harden might be the worst flopper in the league. Possibly second behind Kevin Martin.
 
RoxFan said:
I hate flopping too. But I've seen enough players on other teams flop on us so i don't get too mad about it. I just want Harden to play better D, he is so bad it's cringe worthy at times.
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On this we agree.

:cheers:
 
Natebishop3 said:
My problem with Bev isn't his defense, it's that the refs let him get away with things that most people don't get away with. There's a problem in the NBA with refs allowing players to get away with more physical defense if they have a reputation as a "good defender" and Beverley is a good example of that. He is able to do well against Dame because he can body him and push him around on the perimeter. This essentially neutralizes Lillard's quickness. Ask any of the older players and they'll tell you that taking away hand checking made it extremely difficult to stop quick players, but for some reason Bev is allowed to get away with it.

It's just another example of the NBA being inconsistent in how it calls fouls. Also, I think Harden might be the worst flopper in the league. Possibly second behind Kevin Martin.
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I agree that i want more consistency with the calls. If you call it for one player then call it for all players. I just want more physicality on defense, i guess I'm just old school like that :P.
 
RoxFan said:
Hey guys, Houston fan over here. I think its going to be a hard fought series with about 100 3s attempted a game between the both of us lol. I say it goes to 7 (Please please Houston get home court). I know most of you guys think we are dirty and flop a lot, i do agree we flop a lot but i would say all teams flop to a certain extent. Mainly its Harden and Lin who do the most flopping. Most people think Beverley is dirty but i just think he plays hard nosed defense and doesn't give up. He is in the NBA for one reason and one reason alone, defense, he wants to stay in the league and he knows that his defense is the only way to do it. I kinda blame the new school NBA for being soft and labeling any hard nosed defender dirty. If Beverley played int he 80' and 90's he most definitely would not be called dirty. But i do understand that i am biased and that you guys probably think differently.

Either way i wish you guys health and luck and hope for it to be a great series. Beverley is going to have his hands full trying to make it hard on Lillard who is a stud. Same with Mathews on Harden. We don't have any 4 who can guard LMA, we might have to resort to trying to play Asik and Howard together to attempt to slow him down. Batum and Parsons is going to be fun to watch, they are pretty even if you ask me one is a little better D and the other is a little better on O. Lopez will probably have trouble guarding Howard but you never know how Howard's offence is going to turn out. Some knights he looks unstoppable and other nights Bargnani shuts him down one on one :/.
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Welcome! Repped!
 
maxiep said:
Welcome! Repped!
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Thanks! I cant wait for the playoffs to start, I just hope we don't have another late season collapse and lose home court. I have no doubt its going to be a good series.
 
RoxFan said:
Thanks! I cant wait for the playoffs to start, I just hope we don't have another late season collapse and lose home court. I have no doubt its going to be a good series.
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I've been posting over at ClutchFans, but so far, not many seem to be interested in having an in-depth discussion. Just trash talk.

Please invite any of your more reasonable posters over here to discuss the series. I love getting the perspective of the other side. You bring so much in-depth knowledge of your guys and your view of us. It's refreshing.

:cheers:
 
maxiep said:
I've been posting over at ClutchFans, but so far, not many seem to be interested in having an in-depth discussion. Just trash talk.

Please invite any of your more reasonable posters over here to discuss the series. I love getting the perspective of the other side. You bring so much in-depth knowledge of your guys and your view of us. It's refreshing.

:cheers:
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Most fans are like that. We all overvalue our own guys and undervalue opposing guys. Most of Clutchfans (myself included) wanted to play you guys in the first. I'm sure out of all the playoffs teams you could have faced you would prefer to play us too. I think there are some really good match-ups. Can one of our 4's at least make it hard on LA? Or will we have to play Asik and Howard together, something we tried earlier on that didn't work out too well and might mess up our rhythm. Can Beverley slow down Lillard and get him out of his comfort zone? Same with Mathews on Harden. Can Howard dominate? I would say you guys have the biggest advantage at the 4 and we have the biggest advantage at the 5. That will probably decide the series, which team can maximize their specific advantage and counter the other teams with adjustments. That is where I think you guys might also have an advantage, Mchale isn't seen as the best x's and o's type of coach who can adjust on the fly from possession to possession. From the games i have seen Stotts seems to be a good coach. Even though I haven't seen too many Blazers games.
 
RoxFan said:
Most fans are like that. We all overvalue our own guys and undervalue opposing guys. Most of Clutchfans (myself included) wanted to play you guys in the first. I'm sure out of all the playoffs teams you could have faced you would prefer to play us too. I think there are some really good match-ups. Can one of our 4's at least make it hard on LA? Or will we have to play Asik and Howard together, something we tried earlier on that didn't work out too well and might mess up our rhythm. Can Beverley slow down Lillard and get him out of his comfort zone? Same with Mathews on Harden. Can Howard dominate? I would say you guys have the biggest advantage at the 4 and we have the biggest advantage at the 5. That will probably decide the series, which team can maximize their specific advantage and counter the other teams with adjustments. That is where I think you guys might also have an advantage, Mchale isn't seen as the best x's and o's type of coach who can adjust on the fly from possession to possession. From the games i have seen Stotts seems to be a good coach. Even though I haven't seen too many Blazers games.
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Actually, if you read this board, most of us think the team we match up with the worst is HOU. Perhaps we're deluded, but we've had success against SA, LAC and OKC. We haven't against Houston.

I think we're not freaking out because of your recent injuries which has negatively affected your play. Re-integrating Howard and PB hasn't been easy for you. You barely beat a NO team without eight players. However, if Beverley can continue to play like he did when he was healthy, you'll see a lot more concern on our board.
 
We will say, as a fanbase that knows knees and associated injuries, that Beverley is really making a shortsighted decision... probably to get a fat contract this summer. But that meniscus thing is no joke.
 
maxiep said:
Actually, if you read this board, most of us think the team we match up with the worst is HOU. Perhaps we're deluded, but we've had success against SA, LAC and OKC. We haven't against Houston.

I think we're not freaking out because of your recent injuries which has negatively affected your play. Re-integrating Howard and PB hasn't been easy for you. You barely beat a NO team without eight players. However, if Beverley can continue to play like he did when he was healthy, you'll see a lot more concern on our board.
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We learned that when Beverley and Howard/Asik aren't playing we have one of the worst defenses in the league. Parsons his rookie year was a lock down defender, but ever since he has put more attention on offense he has turned into a neutral/negative defender.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
We will say, as a fanbase that knows knees and associated injuries, that Beverley is really making a shortsighted decision... probably to get a fat contract this summer. But that meniscus thing is no joke.
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I agree, but i guess he feels that if the doctor said he could safely play then he was damn sure going to play. Whether it will hurt him in the long run is yet to be seen and i something I hope doesn't happen.
 
RoxFan said:
We learned that when Beverley and Howard/Asik aren't playing we have one of the worst defenses in the league. Parsons his rookie year was a lock down defender, but ever since he has put more attention on offense he has turned into a neutral/negative defender.
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I read that on your forum and found it fascinating. You're top ten when those three play and when they don't you drop to 27th or something like that.
 
RoxFan said:
I agree, but i guess he feels that if the doctor said he could safely play then he was damn sure going to play. Whether it will hurt him in the long run is yet to be seen and i something I hope doesn't happen.
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PB should be given Brandon Roy's phone number.
 
maxiep said:
PB should be given Brandon Roy's phone number.
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Lol don't scare me. I think both of our fanbases are the most sensitive about injuries. Yoa/Tmac both breaking down was very hard for us and constantly leave us with the "what if" feeling.
 
RoxFan said:
Mchale isn't seen as the best x's and o's type of coach who can adjust on the fly from possession to possession. From the games i have seen Stotts seems to be a good coach.
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I've always been of the opinion that, for the most part, talent carries a team through the regular season and coaching caries a team through the Playoffs. I think this series between POR/HOU will be an exception, where the outcome will be dependent on the players rather than the coaches. IMO, that's good for us. I think we'd get out-coached by any other team in the POs, but McHale doesn't strike me as someone who'll out-fox Stotts. So this series will come down to the individual players figuring out their opposition and coming up with ways to neutralize each other. Oddly, I think Lopez is the guy who's going to do the best job of this. I think Games 1 & 2 will go to Howard, but by Game 3 Lopez will figure out how to make him less effective.
 
Portland Vs Rockets...I have been a fan of the Rockets since 81'. I can not wait for this series to tip-off. Just looking at the starters I say the Blazers get the nod at PG & PF and the Rockets get the nod at SG, SF, & C. I hope the Refs let them play it out. Nothing worse than the refs taking a team out of the game with BS calls.
 
RoxFan said:
Parsons his rookie year was a lock down defender, but ever since he has put more attention on offense he has turned into a neutral/negative defender.
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That sounds just like like Batum.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
We will say, as a fanbase that knows knees and associated injuries, that Beverley is really making a shortsighted decision... probably to get a fat contract this summer. But that meniscus thing is no joke.
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Beverley is under contract for next season.
 
RoxFan said:
Lol don't scare me. I think both of our fanbases are the most sensitive about injuries. Yoa/Tmac both breaking down was very hard for us and constantly leave us with the "what if" feeling.
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That's no joke. He's being serious. Brandon Roy came back way too soon from a meniscus tear.
 
Back2Back said:
Portland Vs Rockets...I have been a fan of the Rockets since 81'. I can not wait for this series to tip-off. Just looking at the starters I say the Blazers get the nod at PG & PF and the Rockets get the nod at SG, SF, & C. I hope the Refs let them play it out. Nothing worse than the refs taking a team out of the game with BS calls.
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You are right about Center going to DHo, but don't discount Robin Lopez. I think you'll get a healthy appreciate for his abilities after the playoffs are over. A vast majority of us here were slightly disappointed when we signed him and not Asik, but have since fallen in love.
 
Eastoff said:
You are right about Center going to DHo, but don't discount Robin Lopez. I think you'll get a healthy appreciate for his abilities after the playoffs are over. A vast majority of us here were slightly disappointed when we signed him and not Asik, but have since fallen in love.
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I don't remember it that way at all. Probably because I didn't think Asik was worth his contract, which would have left no money to improve the bench.
 
Asik and Lin were both overpaid but considering the position the Rockets were in...they had no other option but to make the deals.
 
PapaG said:
I don't remember it that way at all. Probably because I didn't think Asik was worth his contract, which would have left no money to improve the bench.
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Perhaps just a majority?
 
Eastoff said:
That's no joke. He's being serious. Brandon Roy came back way too soon from a meniscus tear.
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The difference was Roy had had surgery before coming back. But I don't think Beverley is in much better a scenario by avoiding surgery.
 
Found an article talking about the beverley Lillard beef during that game. I didn't remember the incident but after watching it I gotta say what is beverley doing going into Lillards chest during a dead ball. Funny that people think beverley makes Lillard mad. If dame was mad he would have shoved Beverley's punk ass down.

http://nba.si.com/2014/03/10/damian-lillard-patrick-beverley-blazers-rockets/
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Found an article talking about the beverley Lillard beef during that game. I didn't remember the incident but after watching it I gotta say what is beverley doing going into Lillards chest during a dead ball. Funny that people think beverley makes Lillard mad. If dame was mad he would have shoved Beverley's punk ass down.

http://nba.si.com/2014/03/10/damian-lillard-patrick-beverley-blazers-rockets/
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Wow that flop job is such bullshit. I hope Beverly gets what's coming to him.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Found an article talking about the beverley Lillard beef during that game. I didn't remember the incident but after watching it I gotta say what is beverley doing going into Lillards chest during a dead ball. Funny that people think beverley makes Lillard mad. If dame was mad he would have shoved Beverley's punk ass down.

http://nba.si.com/2014/03/10/damian-lillard-patrick-beverley-blazers-rockets/
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It's called getting in his head. Sadly, it worked. We need to toughen up.
 
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