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[kjironman1]

great...we both have "first hand" knowledge that is complete different

setting that shit aside, why the fuck should there be NDA's about how the city of Portland spends public funds?

You can type cuss words all day long. It doesn’t make your case any stronger. It certainly doesn’t make you sound like you know what you’re talking about.
I’ll explain exactly why the city, county, state and federal agencies are willing to apply non disclosure agreements and even requirements. It’s because of the very nature of the internet and information leaks everywhere. Forums like this one spread a bunch of false information and subject matter to narratives that are contrary to public good.
When is the last time you actually sat through any kind of job orientation?
Every single job now prohibits cell phone use and pictures. Every job discourages posting about what you are doing on social media.
It’s not just professional athletes and famous people anymore.
High level job espionage is at record levels. You might think the public has a right to know but it can shut contracts down and actually be a huge public safety concern.

 

[cdub503]

I feel ya. I just dont care for mediocrity anymore. Been through this so many times. Going through the Roy, Oden, Aldridge experience was rough. I don't enjoy making the play in and losing handily in the first round.

The truth is you say one ounce of criticism about a team and people have a tendency to get upset. To each their own.

Some people want to just watch to have a good time and get a break from life I guess.

For sure and I get that too. Like I said, it’s not like I don’t have gripes about the team but I try to not let it upset me too much. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t. I too was heavily invested in the Roy Aldridge oden era and I think that’s why I went this route of we will get them next time rather than try to be overly upset over something I can’t control.

 

[wizenheimer]

You can type cuss words all day long. It doesn’t make your case any stronger. It certainly doesn’t make you sound like you know what you’re talking about.
I’ll explain exactly why the city, county, state and federal agencies are willing to apply non disclosure agreements and even requirements. It’s because of the very nature of the internet and information leaks everywhere. Forums like this one spread a bunch of false information and subject matter to narratives that are contrary to public good.
When is the last time you actually sat through any kind of job orientation?
Every single job now prohibits cell phone use and pictures. Every job discourages posting about what you are doing on social media.
It’s not just professional athletes and famous people anymore.
High level job espionage is at record levels. You might think the public has a right to know but it can shut contracts down and actually be a huge public safety concern.

you're just making shit up now. Imagining correlations that don't come anywhere close to the situation

"multiple levels of NDA's"
"High level job espionage"

we're not talking about protecting military tech from the Chinese or importing plutonium or secret medical research in Antarctica

for chrissakes, the NDA's in question were signed in 2022, and it wasn't the city that wanted the NDA's it was the Paul Allen Trust. There are legal questions about the viability of these NDA's being enforceable with a new ownership group and several new city counselors who didn't sign the original NDA's. In any event, the bulk of the funding is coming from the state with the state taking a percentage of ownership of the Moda, and the state didn't sign any NDA's with the Blazers

again, setting this useless debate aside, the main point I'm making is the assertion that the decisions about how to spend public money on a publicly owned building should be done in secret and barred from disclosure is a corrupt idea and terrible government. But I guess it's the age of corruption. Ignorance is bliss right?

 

[kjironman1]

you're just making shit up now. Imagining correlations that don't come anywhere close to the situation

"multiple levels of NDA's"
"High level job espionage"

we're not talking about protecting military tech from the Chinese or importing plutonium or secret medical research in Antarctica

for chrissakes, the NDA's in question were signed in 2022, and it wasn't the city that wanted the NDA's it was the Paul Allen Trust. There are legal questions about the viability of these NDA's being enforceable with a new ownership group and several new city counselors who didn't sign the original NDA's. In any event, the bulk of the funding is coming from the state with the state taking a percentage of ownership of the Moda, and the state didn't sign any NDA's with the Blazers

again, setting this useless debate aside, the main point I'm making is the assertion that the decisions about how to spend public money on a publicly owned building should be done in secret and barred from disclosure is a corrupt idea and terrible government. But I guess it's the age of corruption. Ignorance is bliss right?

You think I’m making it all up huh?
Okay watch what happens.

 

[wizenheimer]

You think I’m making it all up huh?
Okay watch what happens.

you seem to be avoiding speaking to the point I'm making. Forget about the debatable frequency of NDA's

do you believe the negotiations about how the city raises their portion of the funding package should be hidden from public view?

I sure hope the state wasn't stupid enough to allow the city to be the front for this plan without any oversight because the city is staring to sound like they are scrambling and divided

 

[kjironman1]

you seem to be avoiding speaking to the point I'm making. Forget about the debatable frequency of NDA's

do you believe the negotiations about how the city raises their portion of the funding package should be hidden from public view?

I sure hope the state wasn't stupid enough to allow the city to be the front for this plan without any oversight because the city is staring to sound like they are scrambling and divided

Watch what happens.

 

[wizenheimer]

Watch what happens.

ok, I was planning on it....but I've now asked you several times if you think the discussions, negotiations, and plans about spending public money on a publicly owned building should be hidden behind a fog of NDA's. Who is served by secret back room deals? It sure as hell isn't the public

 

[HailBlazers]

ok, I was planning on it....but I've now asked you several times if you think the discussions, negotiations, and plans about spending public money on a publicly owned building should be hidden behind a fog of NDA's. Who is served by secret back room deals? It sure as hell isn't the public

There's should and then there's reality... Two different things.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This isn't about me silly. Try contemplating how ridiculous you're being projecting your personal expectations on some 20-something athlete (who most likely is just another self centered horny dumb jock). Come on Deni, throw yourself (and your family) into a political hailstorm for the rest of your life or else I won't root for you! You've focused your life energy becoming great at hoops, but chop chop it's time to get into international politics and publicly articulate my views or again... I won't root for you.

If he were to publicly take a vocal stand against Israel's atrocities, and righteous, articulate and genuine enough to pull it off successfully, that would truly be something. But come on... dude is an entertainer. I'm okay with him just being great at hoops and you, I & others saving the world... but maybe thats for the OT forum

STOMP

Notice that you're portraying being unbelievably patronizing about athletes as somehow virtuous. Don't you think athletes should see Muhammad Ali as a role model?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

They had a player on their bench (Harper) who would be our franchise player

The Spurs have probably just had the best three-year run of first-round picks since Seattle/OKC 07-09. Comparing us to them is just asking for heartbreak.

 

[kjironman1]

ok, I was planning on it....but I've now asked you several times if you think the discussions, negotiations, and plans about spending public money on a publicly owned building should be hidden behind a fog of NDA's. Who is served by secret back room deals? It sure as hell isn't the public

That simply isn’t pertinent though sure I agree wholeheartedly that it should be wide open for all to see. However, you do see the problem with that right? If I’m a contractor in today’s environment I absolutely do not want that information publicly disclosed. For all the reasons I just explained to you.
The world has changed. This is not like contracts of the late 70’s and early 80’s. Even the 90’s.
My contracts went from 100 pages to 1000’s of pages with multiple lawyers writing different aspects.
Every job ends up in mediation. Every job. Not some jobs. Every single job. And every general contractor and customer withhold money for every possible reason that they can.
It’s the way the game is played now.
NDA’s are simply another aspect.

 

[sheed30]

Seriously makes it hard to read this fourm sometimes. I get not everything can be sunshine and lollipops but it feels like everyone’s constantly bitching regardless of if we win or not.

this forum has definitely gone to the dogs. Years back it was nice discussing here but now it’s just a big shit show.

Funny enough a mod here or former mod or whatever he is one of the biggest trolls here outside of Aldo.

You can have better discussions on social media platforms than here imo, unless you like to post negativity and get likes from the other negativity Nancy’s lmao.

 

[kjironman1]

this forum has definitely gone to the dogs. Years back it was nice discussing here but now it’s just a big shit show.

Funny enough a mod here or former mod or whatever he is one of the biggest trolls here outside of Aldo.

You can have better discussions on social media platforms than here imo, unless you like to post negativity and get likes from the other negativity Nancy’s lmao.

You know I think some of that just comes from the way people read things.
I can type “ This place is great”
If you read it for what it’s worth it’s a very nice statement. If you read it sarcastically then maybe not so much?

 

[kjironman1]

this forum has definitely gone to the dogs. Years back it was nice discussing here but now it’s just a big shit show.

Funny enough a mod here or former mod or whatever he is one of the biggest trolls here outside of Aldo.

You can have better discussions on social media platforms than here imo, unless you like to post negativity and get likes from the other negativity Nancy’s lmao.

Then there’s this…

My god thatd be so fucking stupid for Denver. Truly one of the dumbest posts about a hypothetical trade ive ever seen.

I mean. If the shoe fits right?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

this forum has definitely gone to the dogs.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Bring back @SlyPokerCat!

 

[sheed30]

You know I think some of that just comes from the way people read things.
I can type “ This place is great”
If you read it for what it’s worth it’s a very nice statement. If you read it sarcastically then maybe not so much?

lol I doubt. I’ve been around here long enough to know the difference.

The complaining and just overall the negative vibes just puts people off annd over time gets old and tiring, unless you’re someone that like misery because misery loves company.

That being said I read your basketball related posts.

But I was very surprised to see you want to move Cling for a more mobile big.

Cling has been one of our best centers in a long while, still young and improving and took a big leap this year.

And still more room to grow. I like that he expanded his game out to the 3 pointer line this year. He wasn’t the best at it but showed he is willing to take it and if he can become consistent at hitting it then it opens up so much more for us and him as well.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

this forum has definitely gone to the dogs. Years back it was nice discussing here but now it’s just a big shit show.

Funny enough a mod here or former mod or whatever he is one of the biggest trolls here outside of Aldo.

You can have better discussions on social media platforms than here imo, unless you like to post negativity and get likes from the other negativity Nancy’s lmao.

You can always use the block feature.

But more importantly, make the discussion you want to see. I disagree all the time with people in here. But I make my case and always enjoy when they come back at me. Otherwise it would be really boring if everyone agreed. I don't care if people disagree with me, and sometimes get a little upset, because I know I'm always right. Okay, just kidding about that last part.

If you want more positive content, post it and I will try to post more of it also.

Have you seen the Blazer History thread? Post a picture, share something fun about your fandom. I've read enough of your posts to know you have a good story or two.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

lol I doubt. I’ve been around here long enough to know the difference.

The complaining and just overall the negative vibes just puts people off annd over time gets old and tiring, unless you’re someone that like misery because misery loves company.

That being said I read your basketball related posts.

But I was very surprised to see you want to move Cling for a more mobile big.

Cling has been one of our best centers in a long while, still young and improving and took a big leap this year.

And still more room to grow. I like that he expanded his game out to the 3 pointer line this year. He wasn’t the best at it but showed he is willing to take it and if he can become consistent at hitting it then it opens up so much more for us and him as well.

I don't know that people just want to give up on Clingan. You just have to give something good up to get something good back. I'm of the mindset we always should be looking for upgrades at positions. For instance, if Bam Adebayo became available, I would look at what he would cost since I view him as an upgrade.

If Anthony Davis became available for a package around Clingan, I might pass. Not because I dislike Davis, but his age and injury history would have me hesitant.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think we should give Clingan 2 more years before writing him off. Yang 3, maybe 4. Both have high BB IQs.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I think we should give Clingan 2 more years before writing him off. Yang 3, maybe 4. Both have high BB IQs.

I could see that mindset, but with Dame and Jrue in their mid 30's, i'd rather push some chips in now to get an upgrade. Doesn't mean that necessarily has to include Clingan. It just depends who is out there and what they want for them.

Giannis, Kawhi, Bam, Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Durant etc.

Not that i'd want all those guys. Depends on cost and how quickly we feel they will get hit by father time.