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Fez Hammersticks said:

Heinously uncool
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I've never understood why people compare complete careers, or the stats from people who are older and further along in their development, to that of younger players.

(not saying you are doing this, at least I don't think you are).

Sometimes players take longer to develop then people think. Look at Steve Nash. He didn't average double figures until he was 26, and in his 5th season. Tyson Chandler didn't really come into his own until he was about 23-25.

Many players would've been given up and cast aside early in their careers in the eyes of many fans.
 
julius said:
I've never understood why people compare complete careers, or the stats from people who are older and further along in their development, to that of younger players.

(not saying you are doing this, at least I don't think you are).

Sometimes players take longer to develop then people think. Look at Steve Nash. He didn't average double figures until he was 26, and in his 5th season. Tyson Chandler didn't really come into his own until he was about 23-25.

Many players would've been given up and cast aside early in their careers in the eyes of many fans.
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Kind of seems like this comp makes a pretty good case for waiting another 2 years and seeing what you’ve got.
 
kjironman1 said:
Kind of seems like this comp makes a pretty good case for waiting another 2 years and seeing what you’ve got.
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Yeah, he definitely should show something (I hope so) over the next 2+ years, to indicate he's worth it. From what I have seen, (albeit INCREDIBLY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE), I like it. He cannot (nor do I hope/think he will) stay at this level. But I'm not too worried.

He has shown some flashes of what he could be, but I don't know what he'll end up being. Too soon to know.

One issue I have (not with him necessarily) is how the G-league is like the equivalent to A ball, when the NBA needs AA at worst, and AAA most likely.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Yang has a high ceiling but he should be with the Remix for the remainder of the season.

Desperately needs reps. He’s nowhere close to being ready for NBA pace.
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Certainly the way I see it. Get him as much time playing as possible and then work really hard this next summer on some moves.
This as well as learning the language might get him some PT next year which again might help a bunch.
 
kjironman1 said:
Certainly the way I see it. Get him as much time playing as possible and then work really hard this next summer on some moves.
This as well as learning the language might get him some PT next year which again might help a bunch.
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And IMHO, him being on the RCR is in no way a bad thing. If he ends up being a solid pro, no one will care that he spent time down there.
 
Chinese fans are all over X complaining

Some local fans even want a refund for their season tickets

Why he’s not getting reps with the Remix is beyond me - he looks lost most of the time.

This can be addressed and worked on in the G League.

Yang clearly needs consistent experience with NBA pace and he’s not going to get it playing spot/garbage minutes
 
Yang will be fine he’s young big. They almost always take time to develop. There are really two things you can’t teach in basketball elite athleticism and elite BBIQ. Both have a chance to be special.

Non athletic but smart bigs
Lopez
Jokic
Sabonis
Gasol

What I like hearing coming out of camp is Yang looked really good against Clingan and there were times he was the better of the two. I’d still like to see him have a game or two this year where he puts up a double double.

Kind of wondering if the are preparing him to play bigger role since they are likely going to trade RWill at trade deadline. He and RWill both played together last night, I assume to get him minutes
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Yang will be fine he’s young big. They almost always take time to develop. There are really two things you can’t teach in basketball elite athleticism and elite BBIQ. Both have a chance to be special.

Non athletic but smart bigs
Lopez
Jokic
Sabonis
Gasol

What I like hearing coming out of camp is Yang looked really good against Clingan and there were times he was the better of the two. I’d still like to see him have a game or two this year where he puts up a double double.

Kind of wondering if the are preparing him to play bigger role since they are likely going to trade RWill at trade deadline. He and RWill both played together last night, I assume to get him minutes
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I've seen some grainy vids of Sabonis when he was young and he was athletic.
 
People forget how lost Clingan looked his rookie season and he couldn't stay on the court until the end of his rookie season and that's with a lot more minutes than Yang and being english speaking. Yang will look a lot better next season than this season. He is a player they want to develop and it's not happening overnight. If they move Rob at the deadline, he'll get some burn.
 
riverman said:
People forget how lost Clingan looked his rookie season and he couldn't stay on the court until the end of his rookie season
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I don't think that's accurate.,,,at all.

It wasn't that he couldn't stay on the floor, it's that Chauncey wouldn't play him because he was locked on giving empty-calorie Ayton 33 minutes a game. Clingan was only getting 12-13 minutes a game because of Billups, not because he wasn't ready

the first time Clingan played over 30 minutes he had 17 points; 12 rebounds; and 8 blocks. And this was the 13th game of the season in mid-November

That was part of a 6 game stretch for Clingan before his high ankle strain when he averaged 8 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks. When he came back from the injury, Chauncey was back to his stupid fucking rotation and Clingan had an 11 game stretch when he averaged about 13 minutes. Then it was a 3 game stretch when he averaged 24 minutes, 7 points and 12 rebounds. Then he missed 5 games and came back so Chouncey could jerk him around for 10 straight games including 3 games when he got less than 10 minutes

then Ayton got hurt, Chauncey didn't have a choice so he had to play Clingan and he dominated the paint on both ends of the floor the rest of the season.

Clingan scored 10 or more points 18 times; he grabbed 10 or more rebounds 20 times & at least 13 rebounds 12 times; he had 3 or more blocks 18 times. He was 5th in the NBA in blocks/game and did that will averaging 19 minutes while the other 9 players in the top-10 averaged 27 or more. He would have led the NBA in offensive rebounding rate and have been 2nd in blocked shot rate if Chauncey had only played him more

There's no way at all that Yang could come within a light year of that kind of production and impact. Not this year; not next year. Calling Yang a project C is being kind. Will he get better? Probably. Will he ever be as good as Clingan? not a chance
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think that's accurate.,,,at all.

It wasn't that he couldn't stay on the floor, it's that Chauncey wouldn't play him because he was locked on giving empty-calorie Ayton 33 minutes a game. Clingan was only getting 12-13 minutes a game because of Billups, not because he wasn't ready

the first time Clingan played over 30 minutes he had 17 points; 12 rebounds; and 8 blocks. And this was the 13th game of the season in mid-November

That was part of a 6 game stretch for Clingan before his high ankle strain when he averaged 8 points, 10 rebounds, and 3 blocks. When he came back from the injury, Chauncey was back to his stupid fucking rotation and Clingan had an 11 game stretch when he averaged about 13 minutes. Then it was a 3 game stretch when he averaged 24 minutes, 7 points and 12 rebounds. Then he missed 5 games and came back so Chouncey could jerk him around for 10 straight games including 3 games when he got less than 10 minutes

then Ayton got hurt, Chauncey didn't have a choice so he had to play Clingan and he dominated the paint on both ends of the floor the rest of the season.

Clingan scored 10 or more points 18 times; he grabbed 10 or more rebounds 20 times & at least 13 rebounds 12 times; he had 3 or more blocks 18 times. He was 5th in the NBA in blocks/game and did that will averaging 19 minutes while the other 9 players in the top-10 averaged 27 or more. He would have led the NBA in offensive rebounding rate and have been 2nd in blocked shot rate if Chauncey had only played him more

There's no way at all that Yang could come within a light year of that kind of production and impact. Not this year; not next year. Calling Yang a project C is being kind. Will he get better? Probably. Will he ever be as good as Clingan? not a chance
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It wasn’t that Chauncey wasn’t willing to play him. He picked up fouls and couldn’t finish a layup and got blown by. I’m talking before the allstar break. Not the last stretch where he looked better. Clingan is way better after he lost the baby fat and strengthen his cardio workouts. Yang needs to do the same. Jabari walker played center last year often behind Ayton. Good news is Clingan is great this season. I think Yang will get there as well and yes. Clingan is the better player as well as the higher lottery pick
 
riverman said:
It wasn’t that Chauncey wasn’t willing to play him. He picked up fouls and couldn’t finish a layup and got blown by. I’m talking before the allstar break. Not the last stretch where he looked better. Clingan is way better after he lost the baby fat and strengthen his cardio workouts. Yang needs to do the same. Jabari walker played center last year often behind Ayton. Good news is Clingan is great this season. I think Yang will get there as well and yes. Clingan is the better player as well as the higher lottery pick
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Hey....teams are starting to love it when he rests on the bench. For a moment...they are like a dryer sheet.....

.....Cling free.
 
DC was effective whenever he was on the court even as a rookie with conditioning issues / foul problems. Yang has not. That's the difference between them. Yang is a project.

It was clear that DC with improved conditioning was going to be a good / excellent center in the league. Yang has some tools, but his ability to process the speed of the game, especially on the defensive side - is nowhere near where DC was even as a rookie.

I think we underestimate how high DC’s basketball iq is. Yang shows flashes on offense, but he is nowhere near what DC showed and continues to show.

Now, maybe the language/culture barrier is a big part of that and Yang will advance quickly once he gets more comfortable with life and communication, but otherwise, he looks out of place. DC never did.
 
riverman said:
It wasn’t that Chauncey wasn’t willing to play him. He picked up fouls and couldn’t finish a layup and got blown by. I’m talking before the allstar break.
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again....I'm contending that's not accurate....I was talking about before the all-star break too

yes, Clingan picked up fouls, at times, but he only had 5 games of his first 17 when he had more than 3 fouls. Chauncey wasn't pulling him because of foul trouble. He fouled out of one game last season and that was in April

before the all-star break last season he had games of:

9pts-9reb-2 blks (the 3rd game of the season)
17-12-8
10-9-2
0-19-3
10-9-3
11-11-2
8-10-2
4-14-1
4-13-4
21-7-1
17-20-3

again...all before the all-star break. The reality is he consistently produced when consistently given 20 minutes or more.

last season, among Blazers who played more than 20 games, Clingan was 1st on the team in offensive rating; 1st in defensive rating; 3rd in PER; obviously 1st in every rebounding rate, 4th in winshares (while being 7th in minutes); 1st in winshares/48; 4th in BPM; and 4th in VORP

he could not have done all that if he had spent half the season as a lost, struggling, foul-prone, out-of-shape, rookie big man who kept getting played off the floor. That narrative is obviously false and doesn't withstand scrutiny

as I said in the previous post, he had a 6 game stretch when he averaged over 24 minutes while also averaging 8-10-2. This was in mid-November and was in games 12-17 of the season. He was not out of shape. I'll be blunt and say that all thru last season I thought the narrative that Clingan was out of shape was about 77% bullshit. I believe it was cover for Chauncey's lame rotation patterns and cover for giving Ayton over 30 minutes/game

I've already seen the narrative that Clingan came into the NBA as an older, more experienced player than Yang take hold. Last season in game one, Clingan was less than 3 months older than Yang, this season, in game one. Clingan played 74 games and 1300 minutes at UCONN. But Yang played 96 games and 3200 minutes in the CBA. Now it's probably accurate to say Clingan played against better competition. At least he did in the Tournaments. But looking at UConn's schedules, Clingan wasn't always playing against top-25 NCAA teams; Stonehill, UNC Williamson, Delaware State, Long Island, Manhattan, New Hampshire, Arkansas Pine Bluff...Clingan played plenty against lower level competition. Besides that, Yang had almost 1900 more minutes to work on his craft in a professional league than Clingan did in the NCAA...that's a lot of minutes

and we're seeing the result of that extra work...and it's not impressive. In fact, combining NCAA and NBA, Clingan has played 3395 minutes. Combining CBA and NBA, Yang has played 3304 minutes. Sure, mixing some apples and oranges there, but it does go directly to the notion that more minutes is all Yang needs.
 
wizenheimer said:
again....I'm contending that's not accurate....I was talking about before the all-star break too

yes, Clingan picked up fouls, at times, but he only had 5 games of his first 17 when he had more than 3 fouls. Chauncey wasn't pulling him because of foul trouble. He fouled out of one game last season and that was in April

before the all-star break last season he had games of:

9pts-9reb-2 blks (the 3rd game of the season)
17-12-8
10-9-2
0-19-3
10-9-3
11-11-2
8-10-2
4-14-1
4-13-4
21-7-1
17-20-3

again...all before the all-star break. The reality is he consistently produced when consistently given 20 minutes or more.

last season, among Blazers who played more than 20 games, Clingan was 1st on the team in offensive rating; 1st in defensive rating; 3rd in PER; obviously 1st in every rebounding rate, 4th in winshares (while being 7th in minutes); 1st in winshares/48; 4th in BPM; and 4th in VORP

he could not have done all that if he had spent half the season as a lost, struggling, foul-prone, out-of-shape, rookie big man who kept getting played off the floor. That narrative is obviously false and doesn't withstand scrutiny

as I said in the previous post, he had a 6 game stretch when he averaged over 24 minutes while also averaging 8-10-2. This was in mid-November and was in games 12-17 of the season. He was not out of shape. I'll be blunt and say that all thru last season I thought the narrative that Clingan was out of shape was about 77% bullshit. I believe it was cover for Chauncey's lame rotation patterns and cover for giving Ayton over 30 minutes/game

I've already seen the narrative that Clingan came into the NBA as an older, more experienced player than Yang take hold. Last season in game one, Clingan was less than 3 months older than Yang, this season, in game one. Clingan played 74 games and 1300 minutes at UCONN. But Yang played 96 games and 3200 minutes in the CBA. Now it's probably accurate to say Clingan played against better competition. At least he did in the Tournaments. But looking at UConn's schedules, Clingan wasn't always playing against top-25 NCAA teams; Stonehill, UNC Williamson, Delaware State, Long Island, Manhattan, New Hampshire, Arkansas Pine Bluff...Clingan played plenty against lower level competition. Besides that, Yang had almost 1900 more minutes to work on his craft in a professional league than Clingan did in the NCAA...that's a lot of minutes

and we're seeing the result of that extra work...and it's not impressive. In fact, combining NCAA and NBA, Clingan has played 3395 minutes. Combining CBA and NBA, Yang has played 3304 minutes. Sure, mixing some apples and oranges there, but it does go directly to the notion that more minutes is all Yang needs.
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You pretty much sensationalized my statement but that’s ok. Get back to me when Yang gets 20 minutes a game.
 
I wonder how Clingan would've been if he came out the NBA not playing 2 years of college ball, and not speaking the language.

There's a reason why Damian Lillard was good right off the bat, he had 4 years of college/practice/training.
 
julius said:
I wonder how Clingan would've been if he came out the NBA not playing 2 years of college ball, and not speaking the language.

There's a reason why Damian Lillard was good right off the bat, he had 4 years of college/practice/training.
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lol...right

talent isn't part of the equation.

Wembanyama won't be good at basketball till he's fluent in English
 
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