Zach Edey with the GS pick?

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illmatic99 said:
Peek on the Yahoo podcast is very very low on Edey. Called him effectively a sideshow who is too slow footed to do anything of significance in the league.

She sees him dominating SL and getting drafted top 20, but feels like he'll be a huge bust in the NBA. She said if Portland uses a lottery pick on Edey, it would be a fireable offense considering the rest of the roster as it stands.

I 100% agree with her. Do not draft Edey.
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I don't know who Peek is, but a fire-able offense in this draft? Come on.

Does this person guarantee which players will be good? Are there any in this draft?

The roster as it stands? What does that mean? The roster as it stands won 21 games last season.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Is the modern NBA much faster? League average pace in 85-86 was 102.1 possessions per game; last year it was 98.5.
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Ok maybe faster wasnt the right adjective.

But it's more suited for players who aren't slow and plodding because of the varied offensive attacks and fewer postups. Offensive efficiency has skyrocketed and I think will leave players like Edey by the wayside.

Similarly, his limited versatility on defense will make him a prime target for perimeter oriented offenses who have speed/agility at every position.
 
The Edey and Clingan for that matter smoke doesn't make much sense to me unless we have a trade sending Ayton out. We already have a big paint protecting C that as big as he is has way better foot speed than either of these two.

I think if we go big with pick 14 it should be with Ware who is even more mobile than Deandre and can shoot the three. If we moved up for a big it should be for Sarr who moves his feet better than maybe any other 7 footer in the league... definitely right there with Wemby and Chet but I honestly think he's a bit more fluid and probably a bit quicker than even those two.

I hope we do move up from 14, while staying at 7. I hope we end up with both Cody Williams and Salaun. I think they are the perfect kind of forwards who project to be great wing complements to a Scoot/Shaedon back court.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I don't know who Peek is, but a fire-able offense in this draft? Come on.

Does this person guarantee which players will be good? Are there any in this draft?

The roster as it stands? What does that mean? The roster as it stands won 21 games last season.
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She's the nba draft guru at Yahoo the past few years. Was one of the first people who was on the Shaedon bandwagon after reporting on him at the EYBL. She's got some draft bonafides that make me trust her opiniom more than some others
 
illmatic99 said:
Ok maybe faster wasnt the right adjective.

But it's more suited for players who aren't slow and plodding because of the varied offensive attacks and fewer postups. Offensive efficiency has skyrocketed and I think will leave players like Edey by the wayside.

Similarly, his limited versatility on defense will make him a prime target for perimeter oriented offenses who have speed/agility at every possession.
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Yeah, it's more spread out and many rosters will not have to sacrifice having a near 7 footer out there to have five guys who can shoot the three.

If a team like Miami takes Edey it will make sense because they can dictate when they use him as a mismatch against opponents. We just don't have a roster that affords us the luxury of drafting a bench specialist whose ceiling seems to be where his game is at right now. We have to swing for the fences and try to get someone that will develop into a high level starter with versatility.
 
illmatic99 said:
Ok maybe faster wasnt the right adjective.

But it's more suited for players who aren't slow and plodding because of the varied offensive attacks and fewer postups. Offensive efficiency has skyrocketed and I think will leave players like Edey by the wayside.

Similarly, his limited versatility on defense will make him a prime target for perimeter oriented offenses who have speed/agility at every possession.
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We all know that defense is going to be a question, and few are talking about him being some kind of team centerpiece. But his size will also give him the ability to take advantage of those perimeter-oriented teams on the offensive end, both with his pick-setting and his post presence. Situationally, he can absolutely bring value, especially to a team that was near the bottom of the league in offensive efficiency.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, it's more spread out and many rosters will not have to sacrifice having a near 7 footer out there to have five guys who can shoot the three.

If a team like Miami takes Edey it will make sense because they can dictate when they use him as a mismatch against opponents. We just don't have a roster that affords us the luxury of drafting a bench specialist whose ceiling seems to be where his game is at right now. We have to swing for the fences and try to get someone that will develop into a high level starter with versatility.
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We can do both--swing for the fences with 7, and take a high-floor "bench specialist" at 14.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
We all know that defense is going to be a question, and few are talking about him being some kind of team centerpiece. But his size will also give him the ability to take advantage of those perimeter-oriented teams on the offensive end, both with his pick-setting and his post presence. Situationally, he can absolutely bring value, especially to a team that was near the bottom of the league in offensive efficiency.
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I am not taking situationally effective dudes who need optimal game plans to even see the floor with either lottery pick.
 
illmatic99 said:
Ok maybe faster wasnt the right adjective.

But it's more suited for players who aren't slow and plodding because of the varied offensive attacks and fewer postups. Offensive efficiency has skyrocketed and I think will leave players like Edey by the wayside.

Similarly, his limited versatility on defense will make him a prime target for perimeter oriented offenses who have speed/agility at every position.
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There still are a lot of centers in the NBA you could say the same about -- Joker, Embiid, Gobert, Towns, Nurk, Kessler, Hartenstein, Vucevic, Lopez, Stewart, Sengun, Poetl, Valanciunis, Adams, Porzingis. Every one of those players is at an extreme disadvantage if they get stuck switching on a high screen and roll. And yet, they still get a lot of minutes for one reason or another.

Add to that, there are a whole lot of other bigs in the NBA today that start or are big rotation players who aren't perimeter threats themselves. It's not like every team in the NBA plays 5-out.
 
Again, I get the narrative, but reality doesn't match it as much as we act like it does.
 
PCmor7 said:
Again, I get the narrative, but reality doesn't match it as much as we act like it does.
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Think people are scared because there is no precedent for a player like Edey having success in the modern NBA. Even Clingan has Gobert as a distant comparison.

But what if Edey IS the precedent?
 
illmatic99 said:
She's the nba draft guru at Yahoo the past few years. Was one of the first people who was on the Shaedon bandwagon after reporting on him at the EYBL. She's got some draft bonafides that make me trust her opiniom more than some others
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That lady went on a rant that the Blazers traded Jrue Holliday. I know nothing about Zach Edey, but her take on Portland quickly flipping Jrue for a couple of picks and 2 role players makes me question anything she says. Maybe she understands draft prospects better than the NBA situation - but I would argue that you actually need to understand these things as well to understand draft fit...
 
illmatic99 said:
She's the nba draft guru at Yahoo the past few years. Was one of the first people who was on the Shaedon bandwagon after reporting on him at the EYBL. She's got some draft bonafides that make me trust her opiniom more than some others
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I mean, Givony thinks Edey is like a top 7 player in this draft, and he was also sold on Shaedon. It's not like Edey doesn't have veteran draft analysts advocating for him.
 
B-Roy said:
I mean, Givony thinks Edey is like a top 7 player in this draft, and he was also sold on Shaedon. It's not like Edey doesn't have veteran draft analysts advocating for him.
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Not saying they haven't. Peek's views just align with mine. That said, I am dead against the idea of clingan too, but who knows.
 
B-Roy said:
But what if Edey IS the precedent?
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Maybe he is the "draft for crazy upside" with upside being "change how the game is played" as Steph was when GSW drafted him.

In theory, this dude could be the guy you throw into the paint to have Wemby figure out how to stop him. He will just toss him out of the way and dunk? Defensive side be damned?

(Again, I know nothing about this dude other than reading about him, never seen him play, have no effin idea).
 
If there isn’t a huge upside potential pick at 14 I’m good with Edey at 14. If this years playoffs showed anything it’s the game slows down and having a good big off the bench would be really nice. Also I think his offense is under appreciated.

At this point I feel like we have potential of having at least 3 maybe even 4 spots that have starter potential

1. Ayton definitely a starter
2. Sharpe- star potential but still an unknown if that will happen
3. Scoot- same as Sharpe I’m a fan and see the potential . Game started to slow down last year he’ll be a much improved player this year
4. Camara- solid and should continue to improve if not hopefully this years pick fills this role
5. Currently Grant but really don’t think he’s the solution at the PF position. Again I would draft or trade to fill this position.

first 3 have all star potential.
 
andalusian said:
Maybe he is the "draft for crazy upside" with upside being "change how the game is played" as Steph was when GSW drafted him.

In theory, this dude could be the guy you throw into the paint to have Wemby figure out how to stop him. He will just toss him out of the way and dunk? Defensive side be damned?

(Again, I know nothing about this dude other than reading about him, never seen him play, have no effin idea).
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I think a lot of the narrative that has been around Edey is that he has to be a post up player on offense. I don't think that's true watching some film. Purdue posted him up a ton because that's what was best for their team. I don't think he couldn't play pnr in the NBA. Edey will crush everyone on screens which gives so much space to the ball handler. He's not that much slower than Nurkic, could you imagine what Dame could do with Edey on a roll? Edey has great hands and finishes everything near the basket, he doesn't even need to make it to the rim.
 
B-Roy said:
Think people are scared because there is no precedent for a player like Edey having success in the modern NBA. Even Clingan has Gobert as a distant comparison.

But what if Edey IS the precedent?
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Yeah, there's that, but part of the issue is there is A LOT of precedent for players like Edey having success in the modern NBA. I just rattled off a dozen or so of them.

Everyone acts like every team these days is the Warriors when the Warriors are more of the exception. Most teams have a guy 6-10 to 7-1 who either can't guard on the perimeter or isn't an offensive threat on the perimeter or both.

Zubac has scored at least 14 in 5 of the last 6 games vs. the Blazers. He's had double-doubles in 4 of the last 7 and only has played 30 minutes in 2 of those games. He's shooting like 70% in those games.

If we didn't have a big to match him, he'd kill us, and every fan here would be torching Cronin for not having a big to oppose him.

He's posted a 125 or better offensive rating in 5 straight years. He's been over 130 3 of the last 5. His defensive rating is usually between 110-112, and yet his overall rating differential is around +10 to +20.

If the NBA really had no place for "slow" bigs, players like him would be extinct. But they aren't. And even those we tend to forget are thriving.
 
PCmor7 said:
Yeah, there's that, but part of the issue is there is A LOT of precedent for players like Edey having success in the modern NBA. I just rattled off a dozen or so of them.

Everyone acts like every team these days is the Warriors when the Warriors are more of the exception. Most teams have a guy 6-10 to 7-1 who either can't guard on the perimeter or isn't an offensive threat on the perimeter or both.

Zubac has scored at least 14 in 5 of the last 6 games vs. the Blazers. He's had double-doubles in 4 of the last 7 and only has played 30 minutes in 2 of those games. He's shooting like 70% in those games.

If we didn't have a big to match him, he'd kill us, and every fan here would be torching Cronin for not having a big to oppose him.

He's posted a 125 or better offensive rating in 5 straight years. He's been over 130 3 of the last 5. His defensive rating is usually between 110-112, and yet his overall rating differential is around +10 to +20.

If the NBA really had no place for "slow" bigs, players like him would be extinct. But they aren't. And even those we tend to forget are thriving.
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Some refreshing Zachsanity...

Dismissing Edey because he can't guard perimeter shots is like dismissing a guard soley because they can't defend the paint.
 
The thing I see is Edey can guard a big like Wemby. He is fast enough to keep up with him and big enough to alter his shots. The next question is can Wemby guard Edey? Yes he can probably give him some trouble as well. Ultimately I think around the rim Edey can beat Wemby but obviously Wemby has a much better outside shot. Wemby however is not all that fast either and this might be a great matchup.
Another thing I think people are missing is that Ayton is still the starter. We are talking a backup big here. This team had Eubanks as their backup. Think about that.
 
If we take Edey at 7, I'd love to get Devin Carter at 14 and Tomlin in the 2nd.
 
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