Game Thread 2023-24 Game #19 - BLAZERS @ JAZZ - DECEMBER 2, 2023 - SATURDAY - 6:30 PM PST - ROOT

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Pinwheel1 said:
So that 3, and the one waived off........ how does that work? Is Secaucus calling in? I didn't see the refs check the replay. If it was do they do it all game? What can and can't they change?
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Apparently, they can do whatever they like without repercussion.
 
blazerkor said:
I think it's hard when the game is on the move to use your challenge on a whistle that costs you an offensive rebound and foul instead of challenging a call that nets you points for sure. I don't blame Chauncey for that. The bottom line is that the refs just aren't calling the game fairly for Shae. Soon he'll get all star calls but for now he doesn't even get fair calls.
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Bro, that was the game. It was out on an untouched, flopping Sexton. It would've been our ball.

And even if he thought he was going to lose the challenge, he should've used it. I know you're a Chauncey guy, but he's got to get the challenge thing down. It's a matter of strategy.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So that 3, and the one waived off........ how does that work? Is Secaucus calling in? I didn't see the refs check the replay. If it was do they do it all game? What can and can't they change?
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used to be if they are unsure about a shot making the shot clock they'd signal the scorer's table that they want to review at the next stoppage. There was no stoppage until Camara's tip-in

in real time I thought he was too late with the shot
 
blazerkor said:
An intense game to watch. We saw the most effective outing from Scoot as a scorer. We saw Shaedon assert himself again in crunch time. I hate that bad officiating probably decided it but I don't care about losses this season. Scoot, Shae and Tou showed why this team's future is so bright. GO BLAZERS!!!
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Coaching has impressed me A LOT. Especially in the last 5 or so games.

Those guys are playing their ass off
 
illmatic99 said:
also where is that idiot poster that was ragging continuously on toumani?

show yourself, dumbass.

we have our SFotF no matter how cluelessly you argue otherwise.
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Yep, I'm very excited about how he is coming along. He is a good complement to Grant. I would not label either a PF or SF, they are just forwards.
 
illmatic99 said:
also where is that idiot poster that was ragging continuously on toumani?

show yourself, dumbass.

we have our SFotF no matter how cluelessly you argue otherwise.
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Both TC and Thybulle have been playing really well. This roster could legit contend but it needs a legit superstar or two, but we have our role players. We have depth.
 
I'm excited to see what this team looks like with Ant. Ant/Shaedon should be starting, and if those two prove they can shoulder an offense we'd be a pretty decent team. Honestly wouldn't mind running Tisse/Camara at the 3/4 after the trade deadline. Want to see the young guys grow. Ant/Scoot/Shae/Camara/Bari.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Both TC and Thybulle have been playing really well. This roster could legit contend but it needs a legit superstar or two, but we have our role players. We have depth.
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a part of me wonders how we'd look with dame in place of scoot/brogdon/rwIII right now. the nurk+little + keon for ayton+tou trade was still there w/ or w/o Dame.

Dame
Shaedon
Toumani
Grant
Ayton

with Ant as super sixth man, and Thybulle and Jabari off the bench as 7th/8th guys?

man we went nearly a decade without putting that kinda defense around Dame.

sucks when this thought sets in, but we have to look forward.
 
Dame by himself kind of tanks a defense. Bucks are 20th. Yeah we'd be better, I don't think we would be contenders.
 
illmatic99 said:
a part of me wonders how we'd look with dame in place of scoot/brogdon/rwIII right now. the nurk+little + keon for ayton+tou trade was still there w/ or w/o Dame.

Dame
Shaedon
Toumani
Grant
Ayton

with Ant as super sixth man, and Thybulle and Jabari off the bench as 7th/8th guys?

man we went nearly a decade without putting that kinda defense around Dame.

sucks when this thought sets in, but we have to look forward.
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I love Dame man… I really do. But he did not play team basketball. He was the iso king. He didn’t even try on defense. I’m not convinced that a team can win the title with Dame as their best player. I think he might get one with the bucks because they have Giannis.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I love Dame man… I really do. But he did not play team basketball. He was the iso king. He didn’t even try on defense. I’m not convinced that a team can win the title with Dame as their best player. I think he might get one with the bucks because they have Giannis.
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dame on his own makes for a top 10 offense. we are the worst offensive team in the league right now. even with a decline in our defense, we'd be a playoff team with dame still here.
 
illmatic99 said:
dame on his own makes for a top 10 offense. we are the worst offensive team in the league right now. even with a decline in our defense, we'd be a playoff team with dame still here.
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We'd certainly be closer to having 2 superstars if Dame was on the roster.
 
illmatic99 said:
also where is that idiot poster that was ragging continuously on toumani?

show yourself, dumbass.

we have our SFotF no matter how cluelessly you argue otherwise.
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Not ready to call him SFotF, but loved what I saw from him on the defensive end.

Let’s bring in two more forwards in the draft this summer and make it a competition in the forward room. In the end, if he can’t shoot a few years from now, he’s just a really good specialist. He could be as good as Tony Allen on defense, the fact is Tony Allen wouldn’t be see much of the floor on a contending team today. Camara will have to shoot the 3 eventually before I can crown him as SFotF, even if in my own mind.
 
illmatic99 said:
a part of me wonders how we'd look with dame in place of scoot/brogdon/rwIII right now. the nurk+little + keon for ayton+tou trade was still there w/ or w/o Dame.

Dame
Shaedon
Toumani
Grant
Ayton

with Ant as super sixth man, and Thybulle and Jabari off the bench as 7th/8th guys?

man we went nearly a decade without putting that kinda defense around Dame.

sucks when this thought sets in, but we have to look forward.
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The problem would’ve been finding the extra piece in a Suns deal for them to pull the trigger. If not Allen, we would’ve had to find another player they wanted, and we didn’t have anything to trade to even acquire a guy like that. The guys who went back to the Suns were Nas and Keon, two guys that don’t get back anything of value on their own. Had this been discussed by fans before a Dame trade request, I think a lot of us would’ve thought we would have to use a 1st to find that piece to send to the Suns.

Then, there would be the salary issue. I still don’t think that team could be good enough to make the finals this year, which would be the goal. Then in the summer of ‘24, we’re talking about paying 3 guys in Dame, DA, and Grant who would make up how much of the payroll? Then Shae’s extension would start in a couple years. AND we’d have to think about unprotecting the 1st to allow for trading more 1sts to improve the team, something I would really be sick about.

In the end, the breakup was needed. No sense in doing what-ifs.
 
illmatic99 said:
a part of me wonders how we'd look with dame in place of scoot/brogdon/rwIII right now. the nurk+little + keon for ayton+tou trade was still there w/ or w/o Dame.

Dame
Shaedon
Toumani
Grant
Ayton

with Ant as super sixth man, and Thybulle and Jabari off the bench as 7th/8th guys?

man we went nearly a decade without putting that kinda defense around Dame.

sucks when this thought sets in, but we have to look forward.
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Ant/Shae with Brogdon as the super-sub sounds pretty good to me as well. And I don't know what Grant will fetch in 44+ days, but I'm excited to find out.
 
I should also say this, shout out to Walker Kessler. He looked like he knew as soon as Shae left the floor that he was going to get dunked on if he contested. No business decisions considered, he went for it and got baptized. And less than 60 seconds later, he came back for more.

Outside of needing a long cold shower and an examination in his relationship with God LOL, he’s going to be fine.

Nothing wrong with getting dunked on twice in the same minute young fella. Love the effort. He earned a new fan in me today.
 
BankTeller said:
I should also say this, shout out to Walker Kessler. He looked like he knew as soon as Shae left the floor that he was going to get dunked on if he contested. No business decisions considered, he went for it and got baptized. And less than 60 seconds later, he came back for more.

Outside of needing a long cold shower and an examination in his relationship with God LOL, he’s going to be fine.

Nothing wrong with getting dunked on twice in the same minute young fella. Love the effort. He earned a new fan in me today.
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And how was that not an And One.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Both TC and Thybulle have been playing really well. This roster could legit contend but it needs a legit superstar or two, but we have our role players. We have depth.
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Kind of ironic but you remove TimeLord who is irrelevant and swap Brogdon for Dame it might be the closest roster we could have put around Dame to contending since Wes snapped his Achilles.

Supposedly Dame was heavily against the Nurk for Ayton swap and there's the difficulty of what player we'd have needed to add for Phoenix to still do it without Grayson Allen.

Wonder what Dame would think if you showed him this possible roster now. Any regrets? He doesn't seem like the type to ever look back in hindsight though.

I still tend to think we're much better set for the future having clearly been able to move on from the Dame era, not to mention the 3 picks and 2 swaps we also will have.

But mostly this just reinforcers to me how bad an idea it is to give star players input on roster construction.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Supposedly Dame was heavily against the Nurk for Ayton swap and there's the difficulty of what player we'd have needed to add for Phoenix to still do it without Grayson Allen.
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Is that true? I’ve seen for more than one season, reports that Dame wanted DA in Portland. But for that to ever have been a possibility during Dame’s tenure, Nurk was going to have to be gone, right?
 
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