Game Thread 2023-24 GAME #43 - BLAZERS @ THUNDER - JANUARY 23, 2024 - TUESDAY - 5:00 PM PST - ROOT

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PCmor7 said:
Yeah. Just not a good one. Or one he took.

In his last 7 years, 16.1% of his shots were from 10-19 feet, and he made 38.6% of those.
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Some people must hate how much data is available these days. Makes it way more difficult to get away with an invalid sports take.
 
maybe.... with a 1 point lead, and 22 seconds, knowing the Thunder would have to trap, steal, or foul .... the Blazers (Billups) should have called timeout immediately, brought in more ball handlers, and set the offense up better to prepare for the trap ??
 
Whyachi said:
maybe.... with a 1 point lead, and 22 seconds, knowing the Thunder would have to trap, steal, or foul .... the Blazers (Billups) should have called timeout immediately, brought in more ball handlers, and set the offense up better to prepare for the trap ??
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Or maybe just call a timeout like he did.
 
Just bizarre. You could probably watch a thousand NBA games that play out in a similar situation as this -- maybe more -- and not see this happen. The refs just totally lost control of the situation. They didn't seem to understand with time and score what might happen, totally lost their poise and did the one thing officials aren't supposed to want to do: decide who wins the game.
 
PCmor7 said:
Just bizarre. You could probably watch a thousand NBA games that play out in a similar situation as this -- maybe more -- and not see this happen. The refs just totally lost control of the situation. They didn't seem to understand with time and score what might happen, totally lost their poise and did the one thing officials aren't supposed to want to do: decide who wins the game.
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The facts that the ref was right there, the player with the ball both called for a time out and got scratched in the face (fouled), the head coach of the team with the ball ran up to the ref calling for the timeout and that ref or any of the three didn't get the timeout called or call the foul for the contact to the face is seemingly unprecedented nonsense (when considering the proximity of the ref most at fault for not getting the timeout called). That ref (the one Chauncey touched specifically) must have buckled under the stress of the moment or had something against us both of those things should be grounds for a ref getting fired. There has to be serious accountability for this sort of thing and historically there just hasn't been. A fucking shame compounded by that crazy second tech on Chauncey.

Yeah, I've never seen anything like it.
 
blazerkor said:
The facts that the ref was right there, the player with the ball both called for a time out and got scratched in the face (fouled), the head coach of the team with the ball ran up to the ref calling for the timeout and that ref or any of the three didn't get the timeout called or call the foul for the contact to the face is seemingly unprecedented nonsense (when considering the proximity of the ref most at fault for not getting the timeout called). That ref (the one Chauncey touched specifically) must have buckled under the stress of the moment or had something against us both of those things should be grounds for a ref getting fired. There has to be serious accountability for this sort of thing and historically there just hasn't been. A fucking shame compounded by that crazy second tech on Chauncey.

Yeah, I've never seen anything like it.
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Usually, I'd expect the head official to come running in with his whistle blaring, conference with his crew and come out and give Portland the timeout.

They might still have to give Chauncey the T for making contact with the official, although the official walked right into him and it was his mishandling of the situation that led to Chauncey even being there. Usually, though, the veteran official takes control here to ensure just this kind of thing doesn't happen.
 
If Chauncey wasn't throwing bones at the refs, the Thunder would have been down 1 with tremendous pressure to score the ball. While the Blazers weren't granted a timeout because the refs suck, those technical FT's cost Portland this game. OKC milked the clock in a tie game and had all the pressure lifted to drain a go ahead bucket.

I'm glad Billups went after the crooked officiating, but maybe next time wail on those striped shirt chumps in the 3rd or something, not with seconds to spare in a hard fought matchup.
 
Tince said:
https://official.nba.com/pool-repor...ng-in-tonights-trail-blazers-at-thunder-game/
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This is a horse bleep explanation.

  1. Saying the refs right there can't hear because the play is happening in front of him is crap.
  2. Implying the ref can't call a timeout until the play he's watching is complete is totally bogus
  3. Leaving out what the other two refs are doing during the entire play was clearly intentional because they're the ones who should be aware of the situation as well.
 
PCmor7 said:
Yep.

It's kind of like arresting a guy for jaywalking as he tries to escape a robber trying to shoot him. Technically, he did break the law ... just happened to be because someone else broke the law in a worse manner.
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Not sure that's the perfect anaolgy, but I liked it anyway!
 
Tince said:
This is a horse bleep explanation.

  1. Saying the refs right there can't hear because the play is happening in front of him is crap.
  2. Implying the ref can't call a timeout until the play he's watching is complete is totally bogus
  3. Leaving out what the other two refs are doing during the entire play was clearly intentional because they're the ones who should be aware of the situation as well.
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I expect nothing more, the league will likely defend these guys and even if last two minute report comes out saying they missed something these guys will still be reffing games tomorrow or whenever the fuck they were scheduled to before this game. The refs in the NBA are really like bad cops in a town with a corrupt mayor or maybe a mayor that for some reason is afraid of them. Never any accountability, constantly covering for each other, not all of them but some of them openly having rivalries with players and/or teams. Doing the job is hard but a ref not putting himself before the game should be easy and having the humility to get it right on the back end after mistakes were made should also be easy. Fuck these refs (the three tonight specifically)!
 
Tince said:
https://official.nba.com/pool-repor...ng-in-tonights-trail-blazers-at-thunder-game/
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personally, I don't think anything Kennedy said is very debatable:

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what I saw was the official was standing on the sideline ("slot position") looking directly at the play in front of him. He clearly was not seeing Chauncey 90 degrees off his line of sight, and it's impossible to say how audible Chauncey's voice was to the official; if the official could even hear him. I'm not sure where the other two officials were in relation to the play or the 3-player scrum, and if their line-of-sight to Chauncey was obstructed. I didn't see Chauncey make any physical signal for a TO unless if was during or after Brogdon's double dribble

what I haven't seen is any angle showing whether or not Brogdon clearly called a time-out. One of the other Blazer players were in the best position to get an official's attention though
 
TYDame said:
WOW
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Tince said:
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The league won't do shit. If they do the right thing and determine the timeout should have been called they'll contend that there would be no way to know if we could have held onto the lead since we didn't after the bullshit turnover. If anything it will be a last two minute report thing which is nothing more than rubbing it in our face if they admit what they did which I doubt they will.

They fucking cost the Wolves an almost certainty to take the lead last night, admitted KAT was fouled on the play and have never overturned shit. They won't this time but symbolically I like this from our team.
 
Tince said:
This is a horse bleep explanation.

  1. Saying the refs right there can't hear because the play is happening in front of him is crap.
  2. Implying the ref can't call a timeout until the play he's watching is complete is totally bogus
  3. Leaving out what the other two refs are doing during the entire play was clearly intentional because they're the ones who should be aware of the situation as well.
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Really disappointed in Bill Kennedy, lost all respect for him
 
wizenheimer said:
personally, I don't think anything Kennedy said is very debatable:

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what I saw was the official was standing on the sideline ("slot position") looking directly at the play in front of him. He clearly was not seeing Chauncey 90 degrees off his line of sight, and it's impossible to say how audible Chauncey's voice was to the official; if the official could even hear him. I'm not sure where the other two officials were in relation to the play or the 3-player scrum, and if their line-of-sight to Chauncey was obstructed. I didn't see Chauncey make any physical signal for a TO unless if was during or after Brogdon's double dribble

what I haven't seen is any angle showing whether or not Brogdon clearly called a time-out. One of the other Blazer players were in the best position to get an official's attention though
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I believe Malcolm and if the ref was fixated on the play wouldn't Malcolm calling time-out be the easiest for him to see/hear. Also I believe Malcolm when he says that one of the defenders made contact with his face, enough contact to draw blood. Again if that ref was so intensely fixated on what was going on with that play why wouldn't he have called that either?

This isn't even emotional... I don't know why but you're really on the wrong side of this.

Edit: And of course the head ref didn't say it the wrong way that's what refs in the NBA do best is cover each others' asses.
 
wizenheimer said:
personally, I don't think anything Kennedy said is very debatable:

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what I saw was the official was standing on the sideline ("slot position") looking directly at the play in front of him. He clearly was not seeing Chauncey 90 degrees off his line of sight, and it's impossible to say how audible Chauncey's voice was to the official; if the official could even hear him. I'm not sure where the other two officials were in relation to the play or the 3-player scrum, and if their line-of-sight to Chauncey was obstructed. I didn't see Chauncey make any physical signal for a TO unless if was during or after Brogdon's double dribble

what I haven't seen is any angle showing whether or not Brogdon clearly called a time-out. One of the other Blazer players were in the best position to get an official's attention though
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I think this is a WILD take.

  1. Brogdon said he was calling timeout (along with the other coaches) and I can't see any reason why he'd lie about this. Guy is mild mannered, will be on another team in a few weeks, and knows winning isn't important to this team.
  2. You don't have to see someone to call a timeout. There is only one person in the arena who can be 5-10ft away from him on the sideline, and it's Billups. After the double dribble he could blow the whistle, look to his right, and confirm that it was indeed Billups screaming at him, and award the timeout
  3. You can't expect a potential receiptent of a pass to look away from the ball to attemp to find a ref and call timeout. So many things can go wrong in that situation.
  4. One of the refs had the PERECT line of sight to Billups
  5. Kennedy implying the ref needs to see the play to completion before calling a timeout is not accurate at all.
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