Game Thread 2023 SUMMER LEAGUE GAME 1: BLAZERS VS ROCKETS - JULY 7TH 2023 - FRIDAY - 4PM ESPN

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He's a Hornets fan because of his friendship with Kupchak.
Said picking Miller was all about keeping LaMelo Ball happy.

I always remember he and Kupchak as the young guys on a team of oldsters like Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld and Dave Bing. I hate to say that because I got to be friends with Elvin's son in college.
 
I liked Amen a lot as well but I think calling Scoot a "small point guard that can score" is disingenuous. He IS a small guard that can score, but it's more than he's the guy that can serve as the engine of an offense. As in, he can be your number one option, run everything through him, kind of player. Think Amen can maybe get there too but I have a harder time seeing it with him than with Scoot.

No, I don't mean to say Scoot is "Just a small point guard that can score". Obviously, Scoot is a talented point guard with superstar potential. Rather, I mean to say that his role can be fulfilled quickly and adequately enough by a Jalen Brunson tier player while an Amen Thompson is incredibly rare to find.

Regarding that last sentence, I don't see Amen as the number one option, either. But with Dame and Sharpe, he doesn't need to be. He is Scottie Pippen to them. And you need a Scottie Pippen, who isn't a pure outlet on offense, to compliment the player who will be an outlet on offense (which is what Dame currently is and what I believe Sharpe can be). The fact that he's getting steals (I watched him pick the pocket of a good point guard in Sexton and tonight, he had some good steals) only makes him stand out more as someone who would've complimented Portland's defensively weak backcourt.

It's why, say, Chris Paul and Harden worked better than Westbrook and Harden, despite the latter looking better on paper.

Also, your username brings up a point I really like about Amen Thompson. People here praise Brandon Roy's game but would they recognize a player who has his skills?

When it comes to driving and passing, he is quite similar in the way he utilizes a strong first step, tucks the ball close to his body, has elite body control while in motion, raises the ball above his head and angles it at the rim or around an opposing defender for a pass. That's Roy-esque. He's just faster and more explosive, with a longer wingspan.

Furthermore, with Amen, I never thought about just this draft. I think ahead, as well. I think Portland is in a difficult spot with the next two drafts being weak ones. 2024 is looking a lot like 2000 and 2013. 2025 might be better in the way 2014 was but not top heavy. If Portland wants to secure its versatility on offense and defensive capabilities to compliment their back court, they will need to find the next Jokic/Giannis in these drafts or they need to get a Top 2 pick in 2026 so they can get Boozer or Flagg.

Otherwise, you risk a Dame-CJ scenario where they start to become too good to tank. Maybe more talented but limited in their impact due to the roster/starting five not being fully complimentary to their talents.
 
Amen is going to be very good. I hope we made the right decision.
 
I always remember he and Kupchak as the young guys on a team of oldsters like Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld and Dave Bing. I hate to say that because I got to be friends with Elvin's son in college.

I'm suffering from Mandela Effect. Bing left the previous offseason. They still had Bobby Dandridge, though.
 
No, I don't mean to say Scoot is "Just a small point guard that can score". Obviously, Scoot is a talented point guard with superstar potential. Rather, I mean to say that his role can be fulfilled quickly and adequately enough by a Jalen Brunson tier player while an Amen Thompson is incredibly rare to find.

Regarding that last sentence, I don't see Amen as the number one option, either. But with Dame and Sharpe, he doesn't need to be. He is Scottie Pippen to them. And you need a Scottie Pippen, who isn't a pure outlet on offense, to compliment the player who will be an outlet on offense (which is what Dame currently is and what I believe Sharpe can be). The fact that he's getting steals (I watched him pick the pocket of a good point guard in Sexton and tonight, he had some good steals) only makes him stand out more as someone who would've complimented Portland's defensively weak backcourt.

It's why, say, Chris Paul and Harden worked better than Westbrook and Harden, despite the latter looking better on paper.

Also, your username brings up a point I really like about Amen Thompson. People here praise Brandon Roy's game but would they recognize a player who has his skills?

When it comes to driving and passing, he is quite similar in the way he utilizes a strong first step, tucks the ball close to his body, has elite body control while in motion, raises the ball above his head and angles it at the rim or around an opposing defender for a pass. That's Roy-esque. He's just faster and more explosive, with a longer wingspan.

Furthermore, with Amen, I never thought about just this draft. I think ahead, as well. I think Portland is in a difficult spot with the next two drafts being weak ones. 2024 is looking a lot like 2000 and 2013. 2025 might be better in the way 2014 was but not top heavy. If Portland wants to secure its versatility on offense and defensive capabilities to compliment their back court, they will need to find the next Jokic/Giannis in these drafts or they need to get a Top 2 pick in 2026 so they can get Boozer or Flagg.

Otherwise, you risk a Dame-CJ scenario where they start to become too good to tank. Maybe more talented but limited in their impact due to the roster/starting five not being fully complimentary to their talents.

Respect the well thought out response. I agree with a lot of what you said, but I disagree on your evaluation of Scoot. In the NBA I think it's more important to have "THE" guy. ie. top 10-ish player, regardless of position. I think Scoot and Amen both have that upside, but I'm way more confident Scoot gets there than Amen.

I get that part of your calculus is that we already have that guy, in Dame, but in my mind Dame is gone whether we have Scoot or Amen. And even if he wasn't, by the time Scoot/Amen are approaching stardom Dame will be fading out of his, so threading that needle (haha) is not a path I'd like to go down anyhow.
 
Just finished the game, haven't taken the time to read through the thread.

Nothing today was overly surprising to me:
  • Scoot looked real solid in a handful of areas. I'd like him to be better on the defensive end, but Amen is a tough cover.
  • Sharpe should've looked better, but given he only really excelled last year when we were trying to tank (like Ant in 2021), my expectations aren't as high as others.
  • Walker is such a solid summer league player. I'm not sure his game will ever really translate as a starter in the NBA, but could be a real solid 8th or 9th man.
  • Murray was fine, but didn't show a major NBA skillset
  • Didn't see anyone else ready to contribute on a winning NBA team
On the Houston side, Amen and Smith looked real nice. No surprise from two top 4 picks.

Nice to watch Blazer basketball.
 
Respect the well thought out response. I agree with a lot of what you said, but I disagree on your evaluation of Scoot. In the NBA I think it's more important to have "THE" guy. ie. top 10-ish player, regardless of position. I think Scoot and Amen both have that upside, but I'm way more confident Scoot gets there than Amen.

I get that part of your calculus is that we already have that guy, in Dame, but in my mind Dame is gone whether we have Scoot or Amen. And even if he wasn't, by the time Scoot/Amen are approaching stardom Dame will be fading out of his, so threading that needle (haha) is not a path I'd like to go down anyhow.

I agree that Amen was highly highly unlikely to change out Dame felt. Putting a guy who can't space the floor next to Dame would've made little sense in a win-now mode.
 
No, I don't mean to say Scoot is "Just a small point guard that can score". Obviously, Scoot is a talented point guard with superstar potential. Rather, I mean to say that his role can be fulfilled quickly and adequately enough by a Jalen Brunson tier player while an Amen Thompson is incredibly rare to find.

Regarding that last sentence, I don't see Amen as the number one option, either. But with Dame and Sharpe, he doesn't need to be. He is Scottie Pippen to them. And you need a Scottie Pippen, who isn't a pure outlet on offense, to compliment the player who will be an outlet on offense (which is what Dame currently is and what I believe Sharpe can be). The fact that he's getting steals (I watched him pick the pocket of a good point guard in Sexton and tonight, he had some good steals) only makes him stand out more as someone who would've complimented Portland's defensively weak backcourt.

It's why, say, Chris Paul and Harden worked better than Westbrook and Harden, despite the latter looking better on paper.

Also, your username brings up a point I really like about Amen Thompson. People here praise Brandon Roy's game but would they recognize a player who has his skills?

When it comes to driving and passing, he is quite similar in the way he utilizes a strong first step, tucks the ball close to his body, has elite body control while in motion, raises the ball above his head and angles it at the rim or around an opposing defender for a pass. That's Roy-esque. He's just faster and more explosive, with a longer wingspan.

Furthermore, with Amen, I never thought about just this draft. I think ahead, as well. I think Portland is in a difficult spot with the next two drafts being weak ones. 2024 is looking a lot like 2000 and 2013. 2025 might be better in the way 2014 was but not top heavy. If Portland wants to secure its versatility on offense and defensive capabilities to compliment their back court, they will need to find the next Jokic/Giannis in these drafts or they need to get a Top 2 pick in 2026 so they can get Boozer or Flagg.

Otherwise, you risk a Dame-CJ scenario where they start to become too good to tank. Maybe more talented but limited in their impact due to the roster/starting five not being fully complimentary to their talents.
Scoot looks like a linebacker compared to the average summer league player.
 
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were we ready for any kind of basketball distraction or what?

I typed in page 33 to see what kind of participation a game thread had. Game 61 vs the Pelicans, 14 pages. This summer league game thread, 37 pages and counting
 
were we ready for any kind of basketball distraction or what?

I typed in page 33 to see what kind of participation a game thread had. Game 61 vs the Pelicans, 14 pages. This summer league game thread, 37 pages and counting

I prefer summer league to post-January NBA to be honest!

From the perspective of a European who loves football (soccer), there are far too many regular season NBA games.

Like all sport, basketball is best when there is jeopardy and intensity which the NBA lacks outside of the playoffs.

As for summer league, I just love watching the new guys, and given recent Dame developments, this campaign is a particularly intriguing one.
 
Shaedon seemed to have a hard time finding a lane/seam to drive to the hoop. He was a bit slow in moving laterally, and beating someone off the dribble, I thought. I realize its a summer league and he was also being careful probably.
 
Scoot did what we all expected. No surprises. An excellent debut. Just another g league game for him. It was fun to watch. Portland is sorely lacking bigs however. None of those guys will be NBA starting material ever. Walker is a fine bench player and he should improve this season with more development. He plays with a lot of heart imho. Right now Nurk is the only real contributor with size on the roster. How they expect to rebound is beyond me. Grant is allergic to rebounds so he gets a pass…
 
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People beg for attention more often than they beg for money.
 
Just reviewed the game on dvr. Loved what I saw from Scoot. Agree with others that he seems more ready than we may have thought. I liked his energy and grit.

Murray was decent at finding his spots early on, but yeah I was envisioning him on paper as a PF and....not gonna happen with that body size. Small ball, maybe? Grant at the 5? I still think I'd rather have Nas at the 4 in that lineup. And that last defensive play....yikes!!!!

Badji was a pleasant surprise and I can see potential, but starter? No thanks. Not that we need to impress this year, but let's try to get something more consistent in the 5 spot first.

Butler Jr. was kind of fun to watch. He has seemed to find his position more than say (can't even remember his name....waved the towel really well and just had legs like a colt....longish hair and would dance well...google nerds?) Anyways, he'll be fun to watch grow more via Rip City Remix highlights.

Rupert.....needs playing time and will join Butler Jr. He does have some freakishly long arms though, but hips and legs that remind me of Vonleh. He'll get there though. I think he'll replace Thybulle eventually.

Others....Garbage. Especially 57...wow. Sorry to their respective families who read this thread, but yeah. Pack your bags.

Final thoughts: I hope Scoot is okay. I hope we didn't just do some shit trade now. Rest Shaedon.
 
Reality is, its going to be a long 5 years, as laggards, with this team.
I was not impressed with any of the centers we had on the floor, very raw and fine for G league.
I would have thought with Mike we would have at least one young 5 that was showing some upside.
 
Murray and Roops were very unimpressive imo. I know it’s SL. Murray just seems so “meh” to me.
They certainly didn't show anything that would have made a team drafting in the lottery regret not taking them. Hopefully they will step it up.
 

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