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Mediocre Man said:
Thanks for that. So what does Philly getting to the cap floor with a 1 year contract tgat hurts nothing, have to do with Crabbe and Turner
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Learn the game, then post.
 
BonesJones said:
We would have apx. $10M in cap space next year if Lin opted out. That's with Harkless and Crabbe still on the roster.
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And then spend 10 mill of cap space on who? After losing out two best defenders despite your belief Aminu sucks on defense, and lose lineup variation with Aminu and ET who both play multiple positions. And Vonleh who is a Pf/C combo.

Essentially we destroy all of our depth and versatility for Lin and 10 mill in salary which would land us someone like Ed Davis or some other journeymen big man. 10 mill doesn't get you a good enough player to justify losing 3 rotation players and a pick.
 
Destroyer of Worlds said:
And then spend 10 mill of cap space on who? After losing out two best defenders despite your belief Aminu sucks on defense, and lose lineup variation with Aminu and ET who both play multiple positions. And Vonleh who is a Pf/C combo.

Essentially we destroy all of our depth and versatility for Lin and 10 mill in salary which would land us someone like Ed Davis or some other journeymen big man. 10 mill doesn't get you a good enough player to justify losing 3 rotation players and a pick.
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I loathe Aminu, but I still agree with you on this being a HORRIBLE trade proposal. Vonleh and a draft pick are worth far more on their own, than the garbage return we get in that proposal.
 
Nate said:
Learn the game, then post.
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What are you talking about? They have nothing to lose by spending $23M on Redick. They'd otherwise have to pay it to reach the floor anyway.

In retrospect, we should've gave Turner a $24M contract for a single year, instead of $17Mp.y. for 4 years.

I've advocated this for us and other teams in the past. If no better option, spend all the cap space by overpaying players to play there for one year. It's cap space that would otherwise go unused, and you can use them as expiring contracts which would have value in trades. If not, they come off the books the next year and doesn't affect anything. That player could also be grateful and want to stay, signing on a lesser deal the next year when teams actually need the cap space.
 
blue9 said:
I loathe Aminu, but I still agree with you on this being a HORRIBLE trade proposal. Vonleh and a draft pick are worth far more on their own, than the garbage return we get in that proposal.
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Lmao....

Vonleh and a draft pick is about as valuable as Turners and Leonard's contracts are unvaluable. Can't get teams to take that shit for free. So we get two veterans that are better backup options then anyone we have, while getting rid of those messy contracts. Great deal.
 
ripcityboy said:
Man. Olshey played himself for a sap last summer. But in all honestly, it's better than having money and not having any potential FA. :dunno:
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You think Korver signs with a team that doesn't have LBJ/wasn't in the finals over the Cavs given same or even relatively similar money?

Most of the low budget signings are players who are looking to join or remain with a contender. We have and had no shot at them.

When a young player with potential signs for - 'bargain' then Olshey might've made mistakes; thus far, he has been justified, imo.
 
Destroyer of Worlds said:
And then spend 10 mill of cap space on who? After losing out two best defenders despite your belief Aminu sucks on defense, and lose lineup variation with Aminu and ET who both play multiple positions. And Vonleh who is a Pf/C combo.

Essentially we destroy all of our depth and versatility for Lin and 10 mill in salary which would land us someone like Ed Davis or some other journeymen big man. 10 mill doesn't get you a good enough player to justify losing 3 rotation players and a pick.
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Almost every NBA player can play 2 positions. Booker can play the 4/5 as well. Bench players that can play 3 positions at a below-average level aren't as valuable as a bench player that can play 1 position at an average level.

We destroy all our depth? We destroy our versatility? What???
We'd have Lin, Crabbe, Davis, and Collins off the bench. Our bench gets better. Davis and Collins can play both PF and C, which you seem to value. Lin can play PG and SG, and Crabbe can play SG and SF.

Examples of the players we could have added with $10M of cap this year: PJ Tucker would've been awesome, he signed for $8M a year. Patrick Patterson would be awesome as well, he'll make less than $10M a year. Almost enough for James Johnson (for between $12M and $15M). Johnson would be the perfect PF for us (and is a SF/PF combo).
 
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blue9 said:
So then, Vonleh and the draft pick are MASSIVELY valuable then?
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If Leonard and Turner are massively invaluable, then why are you fretting about the idea of losing Vonleh and a pick for upgrades off the bench while also getting rid of those two?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Doesn't me knowing a 1 year contract that has zero negative impact on a teams future cap space is different than what NO did mean I know the game?
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BonesJones said:
Who would say no?

BKN Gets: 2018 1st, Vonleh, Aminu, Turner, Leonard,
POR Gets: Booker, Lin, $17M in savings.
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As much as I like Booker and think he would solve a lot of Portland's issues at the 4 in the short term.
I don't do this trade if I'm Portland.

Frankly for two reasons.
Aminu and Turner do not have negative value around the league.
Even Nards, for everything he's not, has some value due to his minimal contract.
 
Surprise surprise, cap does not go up by $25M this year and average players are not getting $18M right, left and centre?
 
BonesJones said:
Almost every NBA player can play 2 positions. Booker can play the 4/5 as well. Bench players that can play 3 positions at a below-average level aren't as valuable as a bench player that can play 1 position at an average level.

We destroy all our depth? We destroy our versatility? What???
We'd have Lin, Crabbe, Davis, and Collins off the bench. Our bench gets better. Davis and Collins can play both PF and C, which you seem to value. Lin can play PG and SG, and Crabbe can play SG and SF. We could add a valuable vet. PJ Tucker would've been awesome, he signed for $8M a year. Patrick Patterson would be awesome as well, he'll make less than $10M a year. Or we could trade Davis and open up $17M to sign a PF like James Johnson (for between $12M and $15M). Johnson would be the perfect PF for us (and is a SF/PF combo). There's tons of options.

Say we start Booker. A bench of Lin, Crabbe, Johnson, and Collins gives us a PG/SG, a SG/SF, a SF/PF, and a PF/C. Position versatility...

Oh, but we need to retain are shitty role players because they can play multiple positions shittily... Lol.
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What were our most common lineups?

Vonleh, Turner, Aminu were all part of them. Were they not?

Why were they part of them?

Vonleh could play 4/5 and switch on to some 3s.

Aminu could guard 2-4, but ended up guarding 1-5.

Turner could guard 1-3.

Jeremy Lin is a piss poor defender (but I'd actually like this part of the trade) because I like his game. Jeremy Lin overlaps with CJ and Damian, unlike ET, because he isn't as versatile, which greatly limits our lineups right there. Unless you plan on playing ball dominant Jeremy Lin with our ball dominant back court and being undersized at SF if you want to replace ETs versatility.

Thus, you just limited our depth and versatility quite significantly just by removing Evan Turner and his skillset. This doesn't even touch on the fact that no one we acquire replace Aminu or Vonleh, which makes us lose 2 possibly SF, 2 possible PFs, a C and a PG because those 3 players are capable of replicating the skillset of essentially six players (and not doing it as poorly as you say). Neither Davis or Collins have the skillset of Aminu or Vonleh, which is hard to replace. Collins we haven't seen at all so it's hard to say more there.

How does Jeremy Lin change any of that? What options does he give us that we don't already have? He also plays at our most crowded position, PG and SG since CJ and Dame aren't off the court much. He also will compete with Crabbe for Backup SG minutes when one of Dame/CJ is on the court being that he is too small for SF.

James Johnson could get up to 20mm/year and we have NO chance at him. PJ Tucker got 11/year and took the MLE with Houston because of His good friend, Chris Paul. We will see on Patrick Patterson.

So we get Lin, Booker and PJ tucker for Vonleh, ET, Aminu, Meyers and a 1st round pick? Talk about getting fleeced in a trade?

Dame/CJ/Crabbe/Collins/Nurk with

Vonleh, ET, Aminu

OR

Dame / CJ / Crabbe / Collins / Nurk

Lin / Tucker / Booker

Not to mention the first round pick we randomly give away.

And we still have ED and Harkless, who are better than OR nearly equivalent to Tucker and Booker.

I'd rather retain our assets than trade assets for older, similar producing players that have little room for improvement, in order to create limited cap space for a player who historically averages single digit points and rebounds and limits our rotations in a significant way, while the best player we receive in return replicates a skillset we already have and minimizes lineup flexibility and would receive limited minutes.

Better than accepting a shitty trade.
 
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