Free Agent Thread

[LayneStaley]

I think it’s pretty obvious with Neil’s track record that our final FA get will be Millsap. It’s a pretty sad situation when I find myself praying that Beasley has some sorta massive resurrection in Summer League. How many games does this team win….

Dame/Simons
CJ/McLemore/CJ2
Norm/Nas/DJJ
RoCo/Millsap/Snell
Nurk/Zeller

???

Zeller/Millsap/Snell have to be better defensively than Kanter/Melo

 

[wizenheimer]

I've always believed the wingspan and standing reach argument when used to justify undersized players is a weak argument. It doesn't make much sense to me and I've played basketball. I'm 6'3 and have long arms but when I tried to guard somebody 6'7, my wingspan didn't help a bit. He was just bigger and stronger. Of course, it didn't help he was faster too

 

[maxiep]

Zach signed for 3 years, $22MM with the Spurs. I bet he pays off for them.

 

[wizenheimer]

Zach signed for 3 years, $22MM with the Spurs. I bet he pays off for them.

if he does pay off for the Spurs, that's more than what the Blazers got

 

[Strenuus]

Zach signed for 3 years, $22MM with the Spurs. I bet he pays off for them.

Hope the best for him but glad he isn't our problem anymore.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

I’d do CJ for Tobias Harris straight up.

How about this?

 

[MickZagger]

How about this?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz3laumq

If Lillard demanded a trade, yes.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

If Lillard demanded a trade, yes.

CJ/Norm/Harris/Simmons/Nurkic

Suddenly we have size. And CJ at PG is a decent defender.

when Nurk gets in foul trouble, you move Simmons to C and bring in Covington

 

[MickZagger]

CJ/Norm/Harris/Simmons/Nurkic

Suddenly we have size. And CJ at PG is a decent defender.

when Nurk gets in foul trouble, you move Simmons to C and bring in Covington

Your trade had us trading CJ

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Thybulle > Harris

 

[handiman]

I've always believed the wingspan and standing reach argument when used to justify undersized players is a weak argument. It doesn't make much sense to me and I've played basketball. I'm 6'3 and have long arms but when I tried to guard somebody 6'7, my wingspan didn't help a bit. He was just bigger and stronger. Of course, it didn't help he was faster too

Did you get your opponent's wingspan measurements?

Giving up strength and speed is usually a killer. Even if you were taller than him, you'd probably of been at a disadvantage.

Now we know why your height vs. wingspan argument has never made much sense.

 

[tykendo]

Thybulle > Harris

no way.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

no way.

Way.

Harris’ biggest knock is his ginormous contract - he’s a third wheel being paid like a mega star. Definitely on that Rudy Gay/Derozen tier.

Thybulle will be a perennial dpoty candidate.

 

[BonesJones]

I've always believed the wingspan and standing reach argument when used to justify undersized players is a weak argument. It doesn't make much sense to me and I've played basketball. I'm 6'3 and have long arms but when I tried to guard somebody 6'7, my wingspan didn't help a bit. He was just bigger and stronger. Of course, it didn't help he was faster too

I bet you would've had just as much trouble if you were 6'5 with shorter arms. You don't play basketball with the top of your head. Having a longer or shorter neck doesn't mean anything.

 

[tykendo]

Way.

Harris’ biggest knock is his ginormous contract - he’s a third wheel being paid like a mega star. Definitely on that Rudy Gay/Derozen tier.

Thybulle will be a perennial dpoty candidate.

Who has a limited offensive game.

 

[tykendo]

Who has a limited offensive game.

Harris would be great next to Dame and Nurk.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Green was VERY important to the Sixers last season. Losing him would knock them out of contention, IMO.

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Seems like Morey realized this.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nb...ion-deal-to-remain-with-the-sixers/ar-AAMYguK

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If we start the regular season and Powell is our starting SF we’re going to be in a world of hurt.

Not because Powell isn’t a good player. I’m a huge fan. But because he has no business defending 6’9” SF’s

Conversely, most of them can't defend him.

I really don't think this is a huge issue - if you tempt them to post him up, then that fucks up the other team's sets and most SFs are shit at posting up. Do they just shoot over him? Sure - but good NBA players can shoot over anybody. Even Luka, who can't jump for shit, has a step back he can get on anybody.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Thybulle > Harris

Sixers playoff stats:



Now, Thybulle might be better down the line. He's almost certainly a better defender already, and he's better suited for SF than Harris... BUT, it's unlikely Thybulle is ever as offensively versatile as Harris, and Harris is no slouch of a defender either.

Thybulle's certainly a fuck of a lot cheaper...

 

[Scalma]

What’s taking Kawhi so long hehe

 

[wizenheimer]

I bet you would've had just as much trouble if you were 6'5 with shorter arms. You don't play basketball with the top of your head. Having a longer or shorter neck doesn't mean anything.

"his fingertips are an inch further away from his core when fully extended so that makes up for his height".

I don't care how much you preach about standing reach, as long as the basket is at 10' above the court instead of 4' above the court, 6'3 is at a disadvantage when guarding 6'8.

 

[wizenheimer]

Did you get your opponent's wingspan measurements?

Giving up strength and speed is usually a killer. Even if you were taller than him, you'd probably of been at a disadvantage.

Now we know why your height vs. wingspan argument has never made much sense.

in my 'defense', when I said 6'7, I was thinking about a couple of a summertime pickup game when I was living in Eugene and the 6'7 guy I was 'guarding' was Greg Ballard (bbref). He was just a kid and I was a grown man....but it didn't make a difference. He wasn't even trying hard either

if you're not a shot-blocker, standing reach doesn't mean much of anything. And defense isn't played with your arms fully extended horizontally

 

[DDolla]

Yes or No?

 

[JoshuaHall]

Did you get your opponent's wingspan measurements?

Giving up strength and speed is usually a killer. Even if you were taller than him, you'd probably of been at a disadvantage.

Now we know why your height vs. wingspan argument has never made much sense.

Giving up speed, size and strength.
It’s almost as if… Wiz isn’t an NBA player and most likely isn’t an elite athlete either.

I wonder how much Wiz and Norm Powell have in common.

I am going to say your experience is about as meaningful as when I scored on Damon Stoudamire at his basketball camp.

 

[JoshuaHall]

Yes or No?

Doesn’t matter
We need bigger changes

and Paul Millsap is garbage now

 

[tykendo]

Yes or No?

Bigtime YES!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Yes or No?

Milsap YES
Oubre NO

 

[tykendo]

Doesn’t matter
We need bigger changes

and Paul Millsap is garbage now

He's older, but not garbage. He would be a quality backup.

 

[RR7]

Yes or No?

I'd take both for the bench, sure.

 

[JoshuaHall]

"his fingertips are an inch further away from his core when fully extended so that makes up for his height".

I don't care how much you preach about standing reach, as long as the basket is at 10' above the court instead of 4' above the court, 6'3 is at a disadvantage when guarding 6'8.

You could argue that 6’8 is at a greater disadvantage when guarding 6’3 (with long arms.)

Lower center of gravity, in theory should be faster, etc.

Also, Powell isn’t exactly a “slight dude.”

I do, however, primarily agree with your premise that height matters.

I do think reach does factor in to negate some of it. Minimizing passing angles, contest shots with outstretched arms.

There are definitely benefits.

But I think the benefits of being taller are greater.