Free Agent Thread

[illmatic99]

If CJ is traded for a forward that isn't Simmons then I like Exum because he can run the point but... right now I'd much rather have a big 4 that can play the 5. Also comparing those stats is preposterous.

i'm not comparing Dame to Exum. I was simply trying to show that Exum can play still and is finally healthy.

 

[illmatic99]

https://www.nba.com/blazers/story/2021/8/12/trail-blazers-sign-greg-brown-iii

Looks like we signed Greg Brown. Interested in the contract details.

oooh the $ amount here can give insight into if we'll use our MLE or not.

 

[blazerkor]

https://www.nba.com/blazers/story/2021/8/12/trail-blazers-sign-greg-brown-iii

Looks like we signed Greg Brown. Interested in the contract details.

I'm sure it was for the rookie min but I'm also interested in the length... which I'm sure is what you're talking about. I hope it's like Gary's deal was and not like Elleby's. I like his potential a lot. His athleticism is out of this world, he can put the ball on the floor, his shot looks nice and has good length for a forward who can probably play the 3 or 4.

 

[blazerkor]

i'm not comparing Dame to Exum. I was simply trying to show that Exum can play still and is finally healthy.

Yeah, he looked good and if we were going to add another guard, I think you're right that he'd be a good one to get.

 

[illmatic99]

Spotrac already has Brown at 925k for the year. If it's that value, most likely it's a rookie minimum and for 2 yrs.

If his number starts any higher, then we used part of the MLE, but most likely for a 3 yr deal.

 

[B-Roy]

Spotrac already has Brown at 925k for the year. If it's that value, most likely it's a rookie minimum and for 2 yrs.

If his number starts any higher, then we used part of the MLE, but most likely for a 3 yr deal.

Spotrac does not know the details yet. Need to wait for one of their sources to find the information. I doubt we'll know until later today at the earliest.

 

[tykendo]

Does Hoop Central have them all coming to us? That being said, i would love to add Josh Hart, and Markkanen.

 

[Labinot41]

So Schroeder signed for under 6M sometime after he turned down an 84M offer....is that correct? a 70M mistake...? holy ouch!

I wonder what the all-time bonehead contract move by a player is...? I know there have been some....just can't recall them

if you believe Quick, Meyers turned down a 60M offer to end up signing for 41M the following summer

speaking of bonehead moves...will any team ever sign Meyers Leonard again?

How the fuck do you offer Meyers freaking Leonard $60M ? $40M is already way to much but $60M?? Dude is not even a minimum player

 

[tester551]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSfDC3mJ8tt/?utm_medium=share_sheet

Teams under the luxury tax the end of this season will each receive $13 Million each, the highest ever. I bet this factors into how so close we are to the luxury tax. If we can get out of the tax at the trade deadline it would put a hefty chunk of change in Jody's pocket.

The other factor is if we can avoid the tax this season, it completely re-sets the repeater tax threat.
If we're in the tax this season - then next season we get hammered with the repeater penalties as well.

 

[tester551]

Dame in FIBA this year: 11.2 pts, 3.2 asts, 2.7 rebs in 24 mpg on 38% FG, 35% from 3.

Exum in FIBA this year: 9.0 pts, 2.8 asts, 3.7 rebs in 21 mpg on 57% FG, 60% from 3.

I would take a flyer on Exum for the minimum.

We REALLY need a legitimate backup PG.
Exum really isn't a 'true' PG - but he's probably better than anyone else on the market.

 

[wizenheimer]

Dame in FIBA this year: 11.2 pts, 3.2 asts, 2.7 rebs in 24 mpg on 38% FG, 35% from 3.

Exum in FIBA this year: 9.0 pts, 2.8 asts, 3.7 rebs in 21 mpg on 57% FG, 60% from 3.

I would take a flyer on Exum for the minimum.

what I saw of him in the Olympics looked decent

but, Exum has played in 245 NBA games and his career marks are 40.7% on FG's and 30.5% on three's. I wouldn't see any team signing him for his shooting

right now, Portland's height chart is

6'11 nurk
6'11 zeller

6'7 roco
6'7 brown
6'6 snell
6'6 eleby
6'5 jones
6'5 nas
6'3 Mclemore
6'3 powell
6'3 cj
6'3 simons
6'2 dame

pretty glaring hole in the roster at PF. Exum doesn't fix that

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

what I saw of him in the Olympics looked decent

but, Exum has played in 245 NBA games and his career marks are 40.7% on FG's and 30.5% on three's. I wouldn't see any team signing him for his shooting

right now, Portland's height chart is

6'11 nurk
6'11 zeller

6'7 roco
6'7 brown <—— 6’-8” of an inch matters
6'6 snell
6'6 eleby
6'5 jones
6'5 nas
6'3 Mclemore
6'3 powell
6'3 cj
6'3 simons
6'2 dame

pretty glaring hole in the roster at PF. Exum doesn't fix that

 

[blazerkor]

what I saw of him in the Olympics looked decent

but, Exum has played in 245 NBA games and his career marks are 40.7% on FG's and 30.5% on three's. I wouldn't see any team signing him for his shooting

right now, Portland's height chart is

6'11 nurk
6'11 zeller

6'7 roco
6'7 brown
6'6 snell
6'6 eleby
6'5 jones
6'5 nas
6'3 Mclemore
6'3 powell
6'3 cj
6'3 simons
6'2 dame

pretty glaring hole in the roster at PF. Exum doesn't fix that

Not that it matters too much at all but Greg Brown measured out at 6'8.5" and is listed at 6'9". Obviously the young guy isn't going to see the floor much if his summer league play is indicative of where he's at, so it still doesn't add size or length to our rotation.

 

[Paine Tablet]

You realize we had a healthy Nurk in the series against New Orleans? We got schooled with a healthy roster.

Nurk regressed a ton during that season. The next season he came back with a vengeance and was playing by far the best basketball of his career. Looked like a future all-star before his injury. The team was hitting on all cylinders right before he broke his leg.

 

[wizenheimer]

Not that it matters too much at all but Greg Brown measured out at 6'8.5" and is listed at 6'9". Obviously the young guy isn't going to see the floor much if his summer league play is indicative of where he's at, so it still doesn't add size or length to our rotation.

he actually measured as 6'7.25". The revised NBA protocol is to list players at their height without shoes, and round to the nearest non-decimal height. Thats why CJ, Simons, and Powell aren't listed as 6'4 anymore. Or Nurkic listed at 7'

 

[Blazinaway]

Hartenstein still available? would be a decent 3rd string big for cheap

 

[damianlillard]

what I saw of him in the Olympics looked decent

but, Exum has played in 245 NBA games and his career marks are 40.7% on FG's and 30.5% on three's. I wouldn't see any team signing him for his shooting

right now, Portland's height chart is

6'11 nurk
6'11 zeller

6'7 roco
6'7 brown
6'6 snell
6'6 eleby
6'5 jones
6'5 nas
6'3 Mclemore
6'3 powell
6'3 cj
6'3 simons
6'2 dame

pretty glaring hole in the roster at PF. Exum doesn't fix that

Looking at that, it’s clear that we need a big PF who can play center too. Paul Milsap is someone that can fit that role pretty well. He’s can shoot 3s, rebound well, and defend decently even at his old age. Larry Nance would be a great target. And Milsap can be a great and even perfect mentor for Greg Brown. Now we still don’t have a backup point guard, but Neil probably still think Simons can fill that role

 

[TBpup]

what I saw of him in the Olympics looked decent

but, Exum has played in 245 NBA games and his career marks are 40.7% on FG's and 30.5% on three's. I wouldn't see any team signing him for his shooting

right now, Portland's height chart is

6'11 nurk
6'11 zeller

6'7 roco
6'7 brown
6'6 snell
6'6 eleby
6'5 jones
6'5 nas
6'3 Mclemore
6'3 powell
6'3 cj
6'3 simons
6'2 dame


Only 2 guys over 6'7"....and both injury prone. What an (Olshey) joke.
pretty glaring hole in the roster at PF. Exum doesn't fix that

 

[illmatic99]

ugh. Jody needs to go.

https://theathletic.com/2768636/202...ing-offseasons-for-raptors-pelicans-and-more/

Portland
When the Blazers weren’t bewildering their best player with tire-fire news conferences, they weren’t doing much at all. Damian Lillard’s increasing non-subtle critiques of the roster around him might have spurred the Blazers to action, especially on the trade market. Thus far, they’ve purchased a second-round pick and signed three players to minimum contracts.

Maybe the Blazers are biding their time and waiting to pounce later, but it sure looks like Portland is focused on staying below the tax line and running it back with last year’s group; the Blazers haven’t even used their taxpayer MLE.

Given that this is what Lillard’s entire beef with the organization is about, it feels like a dangerous game to play. The entire league will be watching Portland over the next year for smoke signals about Lillard’s intentions; the Blazers’ offseason to date has only fanned the flames.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Paul would have gone over the tax no questions asked if it meant trying to make Dame happy.

 

[Natebishop3]

ugh. Jody needs to go.

https://theathletic.com/2768636/202...ing-offseasons-for-raptors-pelicans-and-more/

Portland
When the Blazers weren’t bewildering their best player with tire-fire news conferences, they weren’t doing much at all. Damian Lillard’s increasing non-subtle critiques of the roster around him might have spurred the Blazers to action, especially on the trade market. Thus far, they’ve purchased a second-round pick and signed three players to minimum contracts.

Maybe the Blazers are biding their time and waiting to pounce later, but it sure looks like Portland is focused on staying below the tax line and running it back with last year’s group; the Blazers haven’t even used their taxpayer MLE.

Given that this is what Lillard’s entire beef with the organization is about, it feels like a dangerous game to play. The entire league will be watching Portland over the next year for smoke signals about Lillard’s intentions; the Blazers’ offseason to date has only fanned the flames.

Yup. It's unfortunate that we have this place holder for an owner right now.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Paul would have gone over the tax no questions asked if it meant trying to make Dame happy.

100%

 

[illmatic99]

I don't get it.

She is printing money with this new TV deal and valuation. Yes, she has paid a nominal tax two years prior to last season, but WTF. This is do or die time and we got OUT of the tax last year deliberately to avoid the repeater this year, and you don't want to go for it? We have the 10th highest payroll right now in the league. For a team with a borderline top 5 player in his prime, that is ridiculous. Very clear indications that you have no intention to spend to win.

While dropping a mil here or there in cash considerations for the 43rd pick looks nice on paper, you have to pay (tax) to play with the big boys in the playoffs. I don't blame Dame one bit for leaving if the org suddenly starts to pinch pennies.

 

[wizenheimer]

ugh. Jody needs to go.

https://theathletic.com/2768636/202...ing-offseasons-for-raptors-pelicans-and-more/

Portland
When the Blazers weren’t bewildering their best player with tire-fire news conferences, they weren’t doing much at all. Damian Lillard’s increasing non-subtle critiques of the roster around him might have spurred the Blazers to action, especially on the trade market. Thus far, they’ve purchased a second-round pick and signed three players to minimum contracts.

Maybe the Blazers are biding their time and waiting to pounce later, but it sure looks like Portland is focused on staying below the tax line and running it back with last year’s group; the Blazers haven’t even used their taxpayer MLE.

Given that this is what Lillard’s entire beef with the organization is about, it feels like a dangerous game to play. The entire league will be watching Portland over the next year for smoke signals about Lillard’s intentions; the Blazers’ offseason to date has only fanned the flames.

Blazers are already over the tax line:



but it sure isn't by much

they only have 13 players signed, which is one less than the standard minimum roster size, but there may be loopholes to that. If JA has insisted that Portland get below the tax at the end of the season, then it could be Portland is looking around summer league trying to find a player with no NBA experience so they could sign him to the 900K minimum (vs 1.67 vet minimum). Then, at the trade deadline it would be pretty easy to get under the tax line is Portland was only 1.2M over

I have a hard time believing the Blazers would be that fucking cheap in the situation with Dame threatening a trade demand. But I guess it's possible.

who knows....maybe JA is trying to sell the team and thinks a new owner would not want to start out paying tax right away

 

[illmatic99]

Yup. It's unfortunate that we have this place holder for an owner right now.

i wonder who would be interested. A lot of recent ownership groups that just bought into the NBA (Utah, BKN, ATL, LAC, MIL, SAC, etc) aren't completely local to their markets so that removes a hurdle of absolutely having to find someone from PNW.

 

[illmatic99]

Blazers are already over the tax line:

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but it sure isn't by much

they only have 13 players signed, which is one less than the standard minimum roster size, but there may be loopholes to that. If JA has insisted that Portland get below the tax at the end of the season, then it could be Portland is looking around summer league trying to find a player with no NBA experience so they could sign him to the 900K minimum (vs 1.67 vet minimum). Then, at the trade deadline it would be pretty easy to get under the tax line is Portland was only 1.2M over

I have a hard time believing the Blazers would be that fucking cheap in the situation with Dame threatening a trade demand. But I guess it's possible.

who knows....maybe JA is trying to sell the team and thinks a new owner would not want to start out paying tax right away

i swear i saw that we weren't just yesterday on Spotrac. Must have changed after the Brown signing last night.

But yes, the point remains. We appear to be functioning in a way to potentially dump salary at the deadline to duck under (even if we are above now).

 

[wizenheimer]

i swear i saw that we weren't. Must have changed after the Brown signing last night. But yes, the point remains. We appear to be functioning in a way to potentially dump salary at the deadline to duck under.

what happened was that Spotrac kept showing Snell in the pending list. So, they didn't count either of the Snell or Brown contracts. That left the Blazers about 2.2M under. So, they just fully updated in the last 24-36 hours

also, keep in mind that the trigger for repeater tax is that a team was a taxpayer in 3 of the previous 4 seasons. So, if the Blazers stay under the tax line this year, they'd gain a 2-year margin, starting next season, between them and the repeater tax

I'm kind of hoping this just means JA want to sell the team, and not having an immediate threat of repeater tax is a good selling point. Even if the threat of the Blazers moving is elevated (although I think that's really overblown), I'd like to see the Blazers not managed by the Vulcans

 

[julius]

I really doubt that a new owner, who would be paying BILLIONS for the team, would be bitching about a 30 million dollar tax bill.

Let's say the team is sold for 2.5 billion (I don't think that's unreasonable). That's 250,000,000,000.

A lux tax bill of 100,000,000 which is I think is between 28 and 32 over the cap. I'm using 100 million because it's easy math) /

Anyway, 100 million is approx 1/25th of the teams value. If the new owner would be kvetching over that amount, they probably aren't buying an NBA team (or would be in the running for one).

Thinking an owner isn't going over the lux tax because they want to sell the team is laughable, and similar to the "so and so is sitting out so they must be trading him" mindset.

 

[illmatic99]

I really doubt that a new owner, who would be paying BILLIONS for the team, would be bitching about a 30 million dollar tax bill.

Let's say the team is sold for 2.5 billion (I don't think that's unreasonable). That's 250,000,000,000.

A lux tax bill of 100,000,000 which is I think is between 28 and 32 over the cap. I'm using 100 million because it's easy math) /

Anyway, 100 million is approx 1/25th of the teams value. If the new owner would be kvetching over that amount, they probably aren't buying an NBA team (or would be in the running for one).

Thinking an owner isn't going over the lux tax because they want to sell the team is laughable, and similar to the "so and so is sitting out so they must be trading him" mindset.

i agree. i don't think ownership's reluctance to pay tax has anything to do with a potential sale. I think it's just more sticker shock and them not realizing that every winner/contender pays tax because of naivety.

 

[wizenheimer]

I really doubt that a new owner, who would be paying BILLIONS for the team, would be bitching about a 30 million dollar tax bill.

Let's say the team is sold for 2.5 billion (I don't think that's unreasonable). That's 250,000,000,000.

A lux tax bill of 100,000,000 which is I think is between 28 and 32 over the cap. I'm using 100 million because it's easy math) /

Anyway, 100 million is approx 1/25th of the teams value. If the new owner would be kvetching over that amount, they probably aren't buying an NBA team (or would be in the running for one).

Thinking an owner isn't going over the lux tax because they want to sell the team is laughable, and similar to the "so and so is sitting out so they must be trading him" mindset.

this isn't about money.

it's about competition and a new owner, looking at a team with no chance at contention, will not want to start out by sending money to the other owners, IMO

I mean, why the fuck did Portland do everything they could to stay under the tax line last year? paying 30M in repeater tax compared to the estate JA inherited is a much smaller nothing-burger than your example.