Game Thread GAME# 17: BLAZERS @ CAVALIERS - NOVEMBER 23, 2019 - SATURDAY, 5:00 PM, NBCSNW

[GhostOfPGA]

um, yes, players play basketball even with injuries. the more you know!

yes the cavs were deleted and yes Carmelo and Tolliver aren’t helping much. Who else are we gonna sign?

Fuck Melo and Tolliver, play Little and Trent over them. It’s not really complicated. There’s no reason bums who have no future in Portland get court time over young players.

 

[Blazers1977]

He also got benched because he couldnt guard anyone on Denver last year and was getting torched. Zach is better than him. Teams were literally not guarding him. The strategy was make him and Harkless shoot and make decisions. If he is so good, how come he’s playing so bad for his new team...

The strategy was come off Aminu bc Dame is raw as fuck, and Aminu filled his role and shot great percentages when we needed him. They didn’t dare Aminu to shoot bc they wanted to, it’s bc they had to. his inability to play with Orlando doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good fit here with the team/roster he spent 6 seasons with.

kicking a long time teammate while he’s down bc of one bad playoff series. Great stuff guy.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

I’m not gonna lie though, if we continue down this road I’m afraid Dame will not want to be a part of yet another rebuild.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Fuck Melo and Tolliver, play Little and Trent over them. It’s not really complicated. There’s no reason bums who have no future in Portland get court time over young players.

When Trent, and Little have gotten minutes they looked really good IMO, I have no idea why the leash is so short for them and other guys can repeatedly do some of the most head scratching garbage and keep getting minutes.

 

[wizenheimer]

In the 3 games that Collins played this year, he averaged 4 rebounds per game.

he had a PER of 9.2, a winhare/48 of .048 (9th on the team); and a box plus/minus of -2.8 (8th on the team). And as far as his supposed strength, defense, he was 8th on the team in defensive box plus/minus, and 13th in defensive rating. He isn't the reason Portland was 2-1

sure, ridiculously small sample size, and I think he's better than those numbers. But too many people are talking like he was the 2nd best player on the team. But then, we've reached the any-excuse-in-the-storm phase of the season

yes, roster turnover, injuries, and lots of road games are factors. But those aren't the only factors at work with this team

 

[GhostOfPGA]

When Trent, and Little have gotten minutes they looked really good IMO, I have no idea why the leash is so short for them and other guys can repeatedly do some of the most head scratching garbage and keep getting minutes.

I’m sure Trent could get more than 11 points on 15 shots, and I’m sure as hell Little can play better on both sides of the court over Tolliver.

Stotts is an absolute failure and slave to his garbage rotations.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

The strategy was come off Aminu bc Dame is raw as fuck, and Aminu filled his role and shot great percentages when we needed him. They didn’t dare Aminu to shoot bc they wanted to, it’s bc they had to. his inability to play worth Orlando doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good fit here with the team/roster he spent 6 seasons with.

kicking a long time teammate while he’s down bc of one bad playoff series. Great stuff guy.

Its just being realistic. He was an ok role player here, and thats about it. What do you want me to say he’s like a Draymond or Rodman level role player? Cause he wasnt. He was ok. I enjoyed his growth, I like that he learned to dribble and finish around the rim. His shoot was streaky. He was an ok role player. Not a difference maker. All those P/O series your touting his great stats they won what 3 of them...?

 

[Blazers1977]

When Trent, and Little have gotten minutes they looked really good IMO, I have no idea why the leash is so short for them and other guys can repeatedly do some of the most head scratching garbage and keep getting minutes.

man, you’re gonna shit on Aminu and go to bat for Trent? TRENT??!!

TRENT SUCKS! WTF lolol

 

[Serbian]

The last time we were this bad was 2012. We were losing by 40 every night. So we trade Gerald Wallace to New Jersey for their pick. That pick was Damian Lillard. I think we should tank. We could get #1 pick.

Except who is a game changer on lottery picks? Doncic came 2 years too early

 

[wizenheimer]

They suck. The only point I disagree with you on is the Phil Jackson one, every coach has bad losses, including Phil Jackson.

that's not why I called it bullshit. None of us have one goddamn clue how this game would have turned out in an alternate universe. It would be just as valid for me to say that Mark Helfrich could have coached the Blazers to a win tonight. Or John Belushi

 

[Blazers1977]

Its just being realistic. He was an ok role player here, and thats about it. What do you want me to say he’s like a Draymond or Rodman level role player? Cause he wasnt. He was ok. I enjoyed his growth, I like that he learned to dribble and finish around the rim. His shoot was streaky. He was an ok role player. Not a difference maker. All those P/O series your touting his great stats they won what 3 of them...?

aminu was an elite, team-first, defensive specialist role player of the exact sort teams need to win a championship. We dumped him for dick. We got Bazemore the stoner and mario the awkward Slav instead of a all-time great blazer role player. He was underrated as fuck and this season is showing that.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

man, you’re gonna shit on Aminu and go to bat for Trent? TRENT??!!

TRENT SUCKS! WTF lolol

He looked better than many of the other players they played tonight when he has gotten an oppurtunity.

Also Im not crapping on Aminu, by saying he’s an average role player, thats just basically the truth, but if you want to make it out to be that Aminu would save this team then, go ahead.

 

[BonesJones]

He looked better than many of the other players they played tonight when he has gotten an oppurtunity.

Also Im not crapping on Aminu, by saying he’s an average role player, thats just basically the truth, but if you want to make it out to be that Aminu would say this team then, go ahead.

He thinks Aminu is Kawhi Leonard. Hopefully I'm not shitting on Aminu by saying that.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

aminu was an elite, team-first, defensive specialist role player of the exact sort teams need to win a championship. We dumped him for dick. We got Bazemore the stoner and mario the awkward Slav instead of a all-time great blazer role player. He was underrated as fuck and this season is showing that.

They didnt dump him, he got a contract somewhere else.

 

[Blazers1977]

Fuck Melo and Tolliver, play Little and Trent over them. It’s not really complicated. There’s no reason bums who have no future in Portland get court time over young players.

wish Stotts would play Little and Trent for 40 min each so we could lose by 40 and be done with it. There are insanely heavy costs to playing both of these uninitiated rookie/sophomores that you guys simply refuse to acknowledge.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

wish Stotts would play Little and Trent for 40 min each so we could lose by 40 and be done with it. There are insanely heavy costs to playing both of these uninitiated rookie/sophomores that you guys simply refuse to acknowledge.

I rather lose by 40 with young guys than 20 with vets

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

wish Stotts would play Little and Trent for 40 min each so we could lose by 40 and be done with it. There are insanely heavy costs to playing both of these uninitiated rookie/sophomores that you guys simply refuse to acknowledge.

What they could lose??? Because of all those wins they've been getting playing the older guys.

 

[Blazers1977]

He thinks Aminu is Kawhi Leonard. Hopefully I'm not shitting on Aminu by saying that.

Yes bc Kawhi is a “role player”

Thanks for engaging with my actual argument and not a strawman you made up in an attempt to make me sound dumb. I can always count on you to elevate discussions to a higher level.

 

[DDolla]

I’m still hoping that this team can turn it around. Remember a BRoy team that started 5-13 then In December they won 13 straight games. Still can happen.

 

[GhostOfPGA]

I’m still hoping that this team can turn it around. Remember a BRoy team that started 5-13 then In December they won 13 straight games. Still can happen.

And they finished 41-41 I think. Not exactly where we wanna be lol

 

[JDC]

With a 7'2 wingspan and a taller standing reach than Tolliver.

AT's standing reach is 8' 11.5"

Little 8' 8.5"

 

[Blazers1977]

He looked better than many of the other players they played tonight when he has gotten an oppurtunity.

Also Im not crapping on Aminu, by saying he’s an average role player, thats just basically the truth, but if you want to make it out to be that Aminu would save this team then, go ahead.

• blazers are doing very good, reach western finals for first time in 20 years.
• You: “eureka! I’ve got it! trade/cut aminu and our other ‘average role players’ we will be FINE!”
• We’re totally not fine. We are 5-13.
• You: “hah! We didn’t need those role players! I showed you!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Yes bc Kawhi is a “role player”

Thanks for engaging with my actual argument and not a strawman you made up in an attempt to make me sound dumb. I can always count on you to elevate discussions to a higher level.

So who would you compare Aminu too. He was a good one on one defender. He was a very streaky shooter. He had some great moments as a Blazer. I just dont know how you can build an argument for him statistically that says he was an above average role player. Yeah he did his job ok most of the time, but he was never a good offensive option if teams paid any attention to him at all. He was good (sometimes), when teams would throw everything at Dame.
Say the CBA didnt exist and they inserted Aminu for Tolliver how many more wins do you think they have right now? Maybe one or two?
Seems like an unfair argument to just say no one can say anythint negative about Aminu without telling us what the goal posts are. Because so far he’s basically been a career ok role player IMO and its not crapping on him, its just how I perceive him.

 

[Blazers1977]

AT's standing reach is 8' 11.5"

Little 8' 8.5"

please take your facts out of this conversation. BonesJones is here to dunk on me every time I comment and facts will not get in the way of that.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

• blazers are doing very good, reach western finals for first time in 20 years.
• You: “eureka! I’ve got it! trade/cut aminu and our other ‘average role players’ we will be FINE!”
• We’re totally not fine. We are 5-13.
• You: “hah! We didn’t need those role players! I showed you!

Again they didnt trade or cut him, he was a Free Agent, who got more in Orlando then the Blazers could pay him.

 

[KingSpeed]

So who would you compare Aminu too. He was a good one on one defender. He was a very streaky shooter. He had some great moments as a Blazer. I just dont know how you can build an argument for him statistically that says he was an above average role player. Yeah he did his job ok most of the time, but he was never a good offensive option if teams paid any attention to him at all. He was good (sometimes), when teams would throw everything at Dame.
Say the CBA didnt exist and they inserted Aminu for Tolliver how many more wins do you think they have right now? Maybe one or two?
Seems like an unfair argument to just say no one can say anythint negative about Aminu without telling us what the goal posts are. Because so far he’s basically been a career ok role player IMO and its not crapping on him, its just how I perceive him.

Last I checked, Aminu was leading the league in defensive rating.

 

[Strenuus]

• blazers are doing very good, reach western finals for first time in 20 years.
• You: “eureka! I’ve got it! trade/cut aminu and our other ‘average role players’ we will be FINE!”
• We’re totally not fine. We are 5-13.
• You: “hah! We didn’t need those role players! I showed you!

So do you want olshey fired?

 

[GhostOfPGA]

So who would you compare Aminu too. He was a good one on one defender. He was a very streaky shooter. He had some great moments as a Blazer. I just dont know how you can build an argument for him statistically that says he was an above average role player. Yeah he did his job ok most of the time, but he was never a good offensive option if teams paid any attention to him at all. He was good (sometimes), when teams would throw everything at Dame.
Say the CBA didnt exist and they inserted Aminu for Tolliver how many more wins do you think they have right now? Maybe one or two?
Seems like an unfair argument to just say no one can say anythint negative about Aminu without telling us what the goal posts are. Because so far he’s basically been a career ok role player IMO and its not crapping on him, its just how I perceive him.

Aminu is basically MKG/Roberson with a slightly better but still streaky shot

 

[Blazers1977]

So who would you compare Aminu too. He was a good one on one defender. He was a very streaky shooter. He had some great moments as a Blazer. I just dont know how you can build an argument for him statistically that says he was an above average role player. Yeah he did his job ok most of the time, but he was never a good offensive option if teams paid any attention to him at all. He was good (sometimes), when teams would throw everything at Dame.
Say the CBA didnt exist and they inserted Aminu for Tolliver how many more wins do you think they have right now? Maybe one or two?
Seems like an unfair argument to just say no one can say anythint negative about Aminu without telling us what the goal posts are. Because so far he’s basically been a career ok role player IMO and its not crapping on him, its just how I perceive him.

Shane Battier. Udonis Haslem circa 2006. Trevor Ariza.

Edit: you don’t see the statistical argument, says the guy making excuses about stats from 6/7 of his playoff series... right

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Last I checked, Aminu was leading the league in defensive rating.

He’s also 369th in offensive rating..