I don't think we'll drop Brandon Roy

[magnifier661]

What if he helps us to a WCF/NBA finals this year? What then?

Hail, I am 100% a Roy supporter and fan. I would love nothing better to have him stay a Blazer for the rest of his career. Problem is the amount of money and his inability to perform to that contract. Knowing that the new CBA won't support bad contracts like this; which is why he will probably be released, regardless... It really sucks being a Roy fan; but I suspect it going to happen.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

What if he helps us to a WCF/NBA finals this year? What then?

That doesn't happen with the Brandon Roy we expect we'll get. Nor does that happen with the Greg Oden we expect (not) to get. That happens if Roy somehow finds his place, and stays consistent (and consistently good). That happens if Greg Oden dominates as a starter, plays more than 24 minutes a game, averages less than 3 fouls a game, etc. All this while LMA averages 25/12.

Basically, winning the WCF is the symptom of a condition that requires a bunch of things to happen. If those things happen, you bet we'll move heaven and earth to make it happen again next year. And if it falls apart then, Roy's gone the next summer.

If anyone on the team has the amnesty rule used on them it's Roy. The only way he can avoid being cut in this manner is to play like he's worth the money.

 

[Pinwheel1]

B-Roy will play one season and get Amnesty the next.

This is the smartest and safest stategy. If Paul decides to wait a year, why not? It's his money. It's better to make sure he is done rather than assume he is.

 

[Blazinaway]

or we go the other way, start him and play him a lot, either his knees hold up or perhaps it gets bad enough he considers medically retiring? I mean how much can he sit out saying his knees hurt when there is nothing medically that can be done? This may be harsh but it's also fair since he is getting paid 15 mil this yr to play ball. Medical retirement would be a big plus for the team and allow us more of a gamble on Oden.

and if he plays well and holds up then we have gained something, either way he's getting paid big bucks to play

 

[Blazinaway]

Maybe Roy needs to follow Kobe to Europe and try the latest in blood-related knee therapy, see this link

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/sto...ly-involved-cutting-edge-procedure-in-germany

there is also stem-cell knee therapy that apparently is having some good results

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/GMAHea...itis-pain-offer-alternative/story?id=13550160

 

[BBert]

If only a few teams are interested in using the amnesty clause, as reported earlier in this thread, why is it in the new contract? Who pushed for it? Did Paul Allen push for it? If he did, why did he, if not to use it on Brandon (who is widely considered the most amnesty worthy player in the league)?

Obviously none of us know whether Brandon has had a miraculous recovery this off-season, compared to his previous two seasons of overall futility. If not, then this grueling upcoming schedule in which the owners are attempting to maximize their revenue can only be expected to wear Brandon down moreso than last season -- which wasn't pretty. The worst part to me wasn't how his production diminished as his playing increased, it wasn't how he disrupted chemistry and took his teammates out of their games, it was his complete lack of defensive ability -- it was like playing 4 on 5.

Question (I apologize if it's been posted and I missed it): If Brandon is amnestied, and another team pays him, let's say, $5 mill, does that $5 mill come off our salary for cap purposes?

Thanks.

 

[BBert]

The more I think of Brandon changing his game to compensate for his lack of cartilege and mobility, the more doubtful I become. Didn't Brandon taylor his slow, change of pace, ball control game to compensate for his bad knees in the first place? Running around and cutting like Rudy has to be out of the question. The only hope is if he is willing to be Nate's designated stand in the corner to shoot the ocassional three pointer guy, and Nate is willing to put him in that role. Otherwise, I could see saving him for the last 5 minutes of every game and letting him do his thing.

 

[RR7]

Question (I apologize if it's been posted and I missed it): If Brandon is amnestied, and another team pays him, let's say, $5 mill, does that $5 mill come off our salary for cap purposes?

Thanks.

Brandon's full salary will come off of our cap and luxry tax, so if another team were to sign him for 5 million, all it does is save Paul Allen money, as it would come off of the money HE has to pay Brandon.

 

[tlongII]

BBert, my understanding is that the player's entire contract comes off the books for salary cap purposes if you use the amnesty clause. You still have to pay him, but it doesn't count against the cap.

 

[Brock]

please keep in my mind that the following is from canzano....

The whisper at One Center Court is that Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen won't bother to take one last look at Brandon Roy before he goes amnesty clause on the guy who won all those games for him.

Here's hoping Allen does. And that the longest look is into Roy's eyes.

"Brandon's out," a league executive told me Monday. "Don't know the exact details, but everyone around the league knows it's way, way done. Paul and Bert (Kolde) are calling the shots on this one."

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...sf/2011/11/canzano_blazers_appear_set_to.html

 

[BBert]

Thanks, guys. My brain seems to be malfunctioning today. I hope my employer doesn't amnesty me.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Bit of a reality check.

Roy sat out Jan and most of Feb to rest his knees. In the month of March, he shot 50-120. In April, he was down to 13-40. No legs! On the season, he shot 40% and was a liability on defense.

 

[BBert]

please keep in my mind that the following is from canzano....

The whisper at One Center Court is that Trail Blazers owner Paul Allen won't bother to take one last look at Brandon Roy before he goes amnesty clause on the guy who won all those games for him.

Here's hoping Allen does. And that the longest look is into Roy's eyes.

"Brandon's out," a league executive told me Monday. "Don't know the exact details, but everyone around the league knows it's way, way done. Paul and Bert (Kolde) are calling the shots on this one."

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...sf/2011/11/canzano_blazers_appear_set_to.html

I fully expect this. We'll know soon, won't we.

 

[craigehlo]

Bit of a reality check.

Roy sat out Jan and most of Feb to rest his knees. In the month of March, he shot 50-120. In April, he was down to 13-40. No legs! On the season, he shot 40% and was a liability on defense.

Don't forget all the drives to hoop where he threw the ball at the underside of the rim because of his inability to leap. That was brutal to watch.

 

[Brock]

JohnCanzanoBFT John Canzano
There's a faction of the franchise that would like to bring Roy into camp, and get a longer look. Hoping that faction gets Allen's ear.
25 minutes ago

 

[illmatic99]

I briefly read through Larry Coon's breakdown of the new CBA. There's nothing in there about not being able to amnesty a player who was just traded to a team.

Can Roy be used as a trading chip?

• 2011 CBA: One player can be waived prior to the start of any season (only one player can be amnestied during the agreement, and contracts signed under the new CBA are not eligible). The salary of the waived player will not count toward the salary cap or luxury tax. Teams with cap room can submit competing offers to acquire an amnestied player (at a reduced rate) before he hits free agency and can sign with any team.

 

[RR7]

I briefly read through Larry Coon's breakdown of the new CBA. There's nothing in there about not being able to amnesty a player who was just traded to a team.

Can Roy be used as a trading chip?

My guess is they will clean up the language to make it where it has to be a current contract on that team. Not just a current contract under the CBA.

 

[RoyToy]

Don't think it would be a good trading chip(if it were possible)

They'd still have to pay his contract(4 more years). It just wouldn't count against the cap. Not exactly an expiring contract.

And if the other team was looking to shed salary, wouldn't they just amnesty the player they would be trading?

 

[illmatic99]

Don't think it would be a good trading chip(if it were possible)

They'd still have to pay his contract(4 more years). It just wouldn't count against the cap. Not exactly an expiring contract.

And if the other team was looking to shed salary, wouldn't they just amnesty the player they would be trading?

Ya, unless they have more than one player they want to get rid of.

 

[RoyToy]

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...sf/2011/11/canzano_blazers_appear_set_to.html

"Brandon's out," a league executive told me Monday. "Don't know the exact details, but everyone around the league knows it's way, way done. Paul and Bert (Kolde) are calling the shots on this one."

Stop meddling Paul Allen!!!!

Good to know that the man that writes the checks allegedly is ready to cut Roy loose

 

[RoyToy]

That was a crappy article by Canzano. Wow.

 

[barfo]

That was a crappy article by Canzano. Wow.

That was probably the 10,000th crappy article by Canzano. Man has a gift.

barfo

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And if the other team was looking to shed salary, wouldn't they just amnesty the player they would be trading?

Ya, unless they have more than one player they want to get rid of.

Or, if the player they're looking to "amnesty" has a bigger contract than Roy's. Joe Johnson, anyone?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Bit of a reality check.

Roy sat out Jan and most of Feb to rest his knees. In the month of March, he shot 50-120. In April, he was down to 13-40. No legs! On the season, he shot 40% and was a liability on defense.

He rested? I thought he had surgery. I seem to remember other reality checks last winter too, like he will never play again in the NBA.

Again, they need to be sure.

 

[RoyToy]

He rested? I thought he had surgery. I seem to remember other reality checks last winter too, like he will never play again in the NBA.

Again, they need to be sure.

Even if Roy can squeeze out 5 more years

Do you really think it'll be at a franchise player level? Because that's the value of his current contract.

You just can't justify that contract on the salary cap. It'd be a big waste for a role player.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Even if Roy can squeeze out 5 more years

Do you really think it'll be at a franchise player level? Because that's the value of his current contract.

You just can't justify that contract on the salary cap. It'd be a big waste for a role player.

That is true. But if he is able to play then I think he is more than a role player. And I am willing (since it is not my money) to wait a year to know for sure.

I know some of you guys like your stats, but I am not a big stats guy. I believe he is our best "jump" shooter. Mid range and long range. Replace him first and then I will change my tune. Until then I say wait.

 

[BlazerBeav]

I'm admittedly not a fan of the Oregonian hack, but this one felt especially rushed and poorly based on anything. Seems like he wrote that in 25 minutes.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I'm admittedly not a fan of the Oregonian hack, but this one felt especially rushed and poorly based on anything. Seems like he wrote that in 25 minutes.

Oh well.....he was on TV Sunday night predicting that the Duck football program was headed for disaster. 25 minutes is probably all the time he had before they forced him to take his evening meds.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

jwquick: Blazers guard Brandon Roy has been working out mornings at UW with other NBA players and has reported no setbacks w/knees.

 

[Brock]

Lots of Blazer tweets. Please start from reading from bottom up


KBergCBS Ken Berger
If Blazers amnestied Roy next year, it would create space to sign a free agent. This year, all they'd save is $.
43 minutes ago

blazersedge Ben Golliver
Waiving B. Roy would restore full Mid-Level for Blazers. MLE-range free agent bigs: Carl Landry, Kwame Brown, Glen Davis, Chuck Hayes
43 minutes ago

jwquick Jason Quick
I'm not buying that the Blazers have already made a decision on Roy. It may end up being the wise business move, but why not take a look?
43 minutes ago

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Using amnesty for Roy would save on tax bill, but wouldn't give Blazers cap room to replace him. Key part of decision.
44 minutes ago

jwquick Jason Quick
Why would GM from another team say he knows the Blazers' plans on Roy? Probably b/c it's the same GM who has long tried to sabotage the team
45 minutes ago

KBergCBS Ken Berger
While it may be true that Paul Allen wants to amnesty Roy, that doesn't mean it makes sense. In speaking with NBA cap man, it doesn't.