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Is your comment a joke? Try to acquire a 29 year old highly paid player when we're starting a rebuild?

Yeah, what was I thinking? 20 million for a former 1st-team all-defense player who averaged 11 rebounds per game last year. That is a horrible deal when obviously we want to fucking tank again. We need to pay more to bring back another guard for matching salaries
 


My god, these guys are somethin else. Holy crap was that a slanted 20-minute listen...

Amazing to me that the entire point of the conversation is "how much is too much for Dame", and they even get as far as "viable roster-filling free agents are signing elsewhere so the cupboard will be bare" (which is obviously a talking point for Blazer leverage), but then their takeaway from that is, so, just do the deal now for what we're offering *because*...

Every day this thing drags on I think Cronin gains leverage against Miami and I think Dame's destination becomes less and less likely to be Miami...
 
My god, these guys are somethin else. Holy crap was that a slanted 20-minute listen...

Amazing to me that the entire point of the conversation is "how much is too much for Dame", and they even get as far as "viable roster-filling free agents are signing elsewhere so the cupboard will be bare" (which is obviously a talking point for Blazer leverage), but then their takeaway from that is, so, just do the deal now for what we're offering *because*...

Every day this thing drags on I think Cronin gains leverage against Miami and I think Dame's destination becomes less and less likely to be Miami...

I think we're waiting until Dame opens up his list.

I think we're hoping we can do Boston. I think it's REALLY weird that Jaylen Brown hasn't been extended.
 
I think we're waiting until Dame opens up his list.

I think we're hoping we can do Boston. I think it's REALLY weird that Jaylen Brown hasn't been extended.

Yep. Whether its us taking Brown or sending him to Houston, I think either of those outcomes really fit what we're clearly needing and wanting to do more than crappy future 1s and a couple young players with some upside...
 
Yep. Whether its us taking Brown or sending him to Houston, I think either of those outcomes really fit what we're clearly needing and wanting to do more than crappy future 1s and a couple young players with some upside...

Marang said it in his podcast today, but I have been begging for Boston for months. Dame to Boston, Brown to Houston, picks and young studs to Portland. It's my dream.
 
I think we're waiting until Dame opens up his list.

I think we're hoping we can do Boston. I think it's REALLY weird that Jaylen Brown hasn't been extended.

Zach Lowe seemed pretty sure it will be done pretty soon. I wouldn't have too much hope on this.
 
I think we're waiting until Dame opens up his list.

I think we're hoping we can do Boston. I think it's REALLY weird that Jaylen Brown hasn't been extended.

According to Strennus, Jaylen Brown being involved in a Dame trade is pretty stupid and won't happen. I don't think he wants us to discuss it either fyi. lol
 


I saw the earlier parts of this (played it while having lunch)

- they hope portland would eventually accept tyler hero, duncan robinson, draft compenasation for dame

- they don't want to include caleb martin

- they don't even think jaquez and/or jovic would be part of dame trade

- they really think they have no competition

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I hope Joe doesn't trade Dame just to trade Dame.

Jimmy and Bam will ask out of Miami if they don't get Dame or they get stuck wasting their prime. We have better talent than them for the future. They have Bam, an aging and declining Jimmy, and scraps. We can't rescue them just cause.

I don't care if it's awkward Dame is still here next season. Wait it out. The options will expand come Christmastime.
 
I saw the earlier parts of this (played it while having lunch)

- they hope portland would eventually accept tyler hero, duncan robinson, draft compenasation for dame

- they don't want to include caleb martin

- they don't even think jaquez and/or jovic would be part of dame trade

- they really think they have no competition

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I hope Joe doesn't trade Dame just to trade Dame.

Jimmy and Bam will ask out of Miami if they don't get Dame or they get stuck wasting their prime. We have better talent than them for the future. They have Bam, an aging and declining Jimmy, and scraps. We can't rescue them just cause.

I don't care if it's awkward Dame is still here next season. Wait it out. The options will expand come Christmastime.

Yeah, it's hilarious that Miami thinks we're going to accept a shit sandwich. They're not even offering their best offer. They think they can squeeze us and lowball. I suspect there's a good chance it might be done if they offered EVERYTHING, but they clearly have not.
 


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"Given that Lillard only gunna play here (Miami)."

No, if you (Miami) don't up your offer, you aint getting Dame.

No, if you (Dame) don't expand your list, you staying here. We don't care if we win or not, we not giving you away for scraps.

Yes, if you expand your (Dame) list and we get a haul for you, we'll make the trade.

Dame is under contract to play here for the remainder of his prime. He can only REQUEST. He is not a free agent who can DEMAND.

Joe/Blazers have all the leverage.

We trade him if we get good return.

Otherwise, we keep him and we don't care if we win or not.

Dame will soon realize his precious legacy and prime is evaporating by the day that he will expand his list.
 
Portland is the 3rd youngest team in the league. 2nd youngest if you remove Lillard.

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I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but I'm not interested in Portland going younger and pushing tanking. I think 'tanking' will come naturally with this young group. I'd like to pick up a few young talents and some draft capital - But also pick up a solid starter.

Portland has a nice young core. Add some balance. Build a culture of winning.

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Trade Nurkic, Little and a #1 protected top 7 pick for Ayton.

He’s about to turn 25 and fits our rebuild perfectly. Scoot, Sharpe and Simons and Ayton fit and Grant can be traded at the deadline for a PF that can play with Ayton

Couple this with a Dame trade and we’ll be playoff-bound in two years
I didn't want Ayton before, but now that Scoot is the leader, it makes sense. Scoot will get the ball to Ayton and make the Blazer offense very difficult to stop. Scoot's enthusiasm, passing, and leadership would be very good for a center like Ayton.

edit: I will add, contrary to many opinions of him, that Nurkic will flourish with Scoot. Nurk always shows up when surrounded by enthusiasm and good ball movement.
 
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Portland is the 3rd youngest team in the league. 2nd youngest if you remove Lillard.

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I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but I'm not interested in Portland going younger and pushing tanking. I think 'tanking' will come naturally with this young group. I'd like to pick up a few young talents and some draft capital - But also pick up a solid starter.

Portland has a nice young core. Add some balance. Build a culture of winning.

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I'm with you. I think getting Herro to Utah and getting assets to Cleveland with Allen coming back to us is the most appealing path. The question is whether Utah would be willing to give up some of the future Cleveland picks and what we could give them (from Miami) to make that happen.
 
Portland is the 3rd youngest team in the league. 2nd youngest if you remove Lillard.

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I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but I'm not interested in Portland going younger and pushing tanking. I think 'tanking' will come naturally with this young group. I'd like to pick up a few young talents and some draft capital - But also pick up a solid starter.

Portland has a nice young core. Add some balance. Build a culture of winning.

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This is why I wanted to keep Grant and Thybulle. We NEED veterans. It's not good to have an extremely young team without vets to guide them.
 
Portland is the 3rd youngest team in the league. 2nd youngest if you remove Lillard.

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I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but I'm not interested in Portland going younger and pushing tanking. I think 'tanking' will come naturally with this young group. I'd like to pick up a few young talents and some draft capital - But also pick up a solid starter.

Portland has a nice young core. Add some balance. Build a culture of winning.

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Completely agree.
I'd look at 2 Wizards as primary targets: Delon Wright & Gallinari would both be great mentors for the Blazers.
 
Portland is the 3rd youngest team in the league. 2nd youngest if you remove Lillard.

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I know this is an unpopular opinion here, but I'm not interested in Portland going younger and pushing tanking. I think 'tanking' will come naturally with this young group. I'd like to pick up a few young talents and some draft capital - But also pick up a solid starter.

Portland has a nice young core. Add some balance. Build a culture of winning.

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Scoot is ready to rock and roll.
This team should be "going for it."
Just get a fantastic forward/center in the same age ballpark, then get pieces that fit around them regardless of age.
 
This is why I wanted to keep Grant and Thybulle. We NEED veterans. It's not good to have an extremely young team without vets to guide them.


Thybulle and Allen playing drop coverage together would be a thing of beauty. It's somewhat outdated against a lot of players, but they're arguably the two best at it by position in the entire NBA.
 
Thybulle and Allen playing drop coverage together would be a thing of beauty. It's somewhat outdated against a lot of players, but they're arguably the two best at it by position in the entire NBA.

In basketball, drop coverage is a defensive strategy commonly used in pick-and-roll situations to defend against the ball handler's drive to the basket. It is a pick-and-roll defensive technique primarily employed by teams in a half-court setting.

During a pick-and-roll play, an offensive player (usually the point guard or ball handler) is assisted by a teammate who sets a screen (the pick) on the defender guarding the ball handler. The offensive player then uses the screen to create separation from the defender, allowing them to drive to the basket or make a play.

In drop coverage, the defender guarding the screener (often the center or big man) does not aggressively step out to challenge the ball handler immediately after the pick is set. Instead, they "drop" back a few steps to protect the paint and cut off the driving lane to the basket. By maintaining this distance, the defender aims to prevent the ball handler from getting an easy path to the rim.

The on-ball defender (usually a guard) must navigate around the screen and follow the ball handler closely, while the big man retreats to create a defensive wall between the ball handler and the basket. This defensive alignment forces the ball handler to take a mid-range jump shot or a three-point shot, which is generally considered less efficient than driving to the rim or getting a closer shot.

Drop coverage is effective against players who are not strong outside shooters or when the defending team wants to limit drives to the basket. However, it also opens up the possibility for the ball handler to take open jump shots, so the defending team must weigh the risks and rewards based on the specific situation and the offensive player's skills.

Different defensive strategies, like switching or hedging, are also commonly used in pick-and-roll situations, depending on the defensive team's overall game plan and the strengths and weaknesses of the players involved.
 
Herro and Simons are very close in terms of their skill level and what they bring. I don't know which one has more value to other teams. But I'd be fine with either as long as we could trade 1 for a PF/C.
 
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