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BigGameDamian said:
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“I'm told Portland has told Miami this: Make your best offer to us.”

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. Or what we can extrapolate will happen next from this. There's a lot of different possibilities;

1. Does that mean Portland has another potential deal with a different team they are about to agree to - and they are giving Miami one final chance to beat it?
2. Does that mean Portland has resigned to trade Dame to Miami no matter the return and is politely asking for the best offer so the deal can be closed?
3. Does that mean Portland is giving Miami one final chance to complete this trade - but without a best offer will end negotiations to trade Dame and move on to holding Dame long term?
4. Does that mean Portland will next push back on Dame that the Miami offer is not realistic so he needs to add additional teams or accept returning to the Blazers?

I feel like different parties could spin that comment to fit whatever agenda they want.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I just don't think that this means anything.

If anything it means that Miami is lowballing.
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I think you're right but it could mean that we're close on a deal and Joe thinks he can squeeze them for a little more by saying that the offer on the table isn't the best and he needs the best. If things get wrapped up in the next week, that's probably what this meant, if (more likely) things continue to drag on then obviously you are right.
 
I would use the "make your best offer" as a negotiation tactic to put fear in them that other teams are making offers. Cronin can tell Dame, look, we received Miami's best offer and it just wasn't good enough. You are going to Boston (or Philly, or Toronto, etc.).

I don't think anyone believes Dame would actually sit out. I don't believe we aren't getting any offers other than a shit one from Miami.
 
Hoopguru said:
If Joe can't get a decent trade I could see them agreeing on something that will allow Dame to start the season, excel at playing, create more trade interest, and Dame has submitted a list of 3-5 teams.
That would be the smart business decision unless someone knocks his socks off now.
Dame just came off his best season ever, Im sure he will play like a man on mission.
Dont give him to Riley without an acceptable return.
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I don't really see a payoff for Dame returning to the Blazers if both parties are going to work to trade him soon. If Dame plays great it doesn't really change trade offers - its just more of the same as last season. If Dame plays terrible it has a chance of hurting his trade value a bit. If Dame gets hurt his trade value could plummet.

Just seems like a high risk low reward move. If the Blazers can't find a trade I'd think it makes more sense to have Dame sit out, possibly at the direction of the team so he can still get his checks.

If the Blazers and Dame want to move on and have him play for the team for the majority of next season; then thats a totally different discussion. I just find it unlikely both parties want to go down that path at the start of next year.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
“I'm told Portland has told Miami this: Make your best offer to us.”

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. Or what we can extrapolate will happen next from this. There's a lot of different possibilities;

1. Does that mean Portland has another potential deal with a different team they are about to agree to - and they are giving Miami one final chance to beat it?
2. Does that mean Portland has resigned to trade Dame to Miami no matter the return and is politely asking for the best offer so the deal can be closed?
3. Does that mean Portland is giving Miami one final chance to complete this trade - but without a best offer will end negotiations to trade Dame and move on to holding Dame long term?
4. Does that mean Portland will next push back on Dame that the Miami offer is not realistic so he needs to add additional teams or accept returning to the Blazers?

I feel like different parties could spin that comment to fit whatever agenda they want.
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Personally, I read it as #3. Basically Portland saying, "We're tired of your insulting offers. If you want Dame, prove it, but it's time to crap or get off the pot."
 
blazerkor said:
I think you're right but it could mean that we're close on a deal and Joe thinks he can squeeze them for a little more by saying that the offer on the table isn't the best and he needs the best. If things get wrapped up in the next week, that's probably what this meant, if (more likely) things continue to drag on then obviously you are right.
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I think we're a long ways apart from them.

It sounds like they're offering some kind of crap deal with Herro, Robinson, maybe Jovic and a couple picks.

The best they can offer is not much better, but it IS better.

Jovic
Jaquez
2024
2028
2030
Pick from Herro trade
Pick from Martin trade
A couple pick swaps

That's a LOT better than what they are most likely offering, but Miami doesn't want to offer this because (as their shills have been screaming) they don't want to bid against themselves.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't really see a payoff for Dame returning to the Blazers if both parties are going to work to trade him soon. If Dame plays great it doesn't really change trade offers - its just more of the same as last season. If Dame plays terrible it has a chance of hurting his trade value a bit. If Dame gets hurt his trade value could plummet.

Just seems like a high risk low reward move. If the Blazers can't find a trade I'd think it makes more sense to have Dame sit out, possibly at the direction of the team so he can still get his checks.

If the Blazers and Dame want to move on and have him play for the team for the majority of next season; then thats a totally different discussion. I just find it unlikely both parties want to go down that path at the start of next year.
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I don't think either side wants him to come back. I think it's the only threat we have and they have to believe that we're willing to use it.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
“I'm told Portland has told Miami this: Make your best offer to us.”

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. Or what we can extrapolate will happen next from this. There's a lot of different possibilities;

1. Does that mean Portland has another potential deal with a different team they are about to agree to - and they are giving Miami one final chance to beat it?
2. Does that mean Portland has resigned to trade Dame to Miami no matter the return and is politely asking for the best offer so the deal can be closed?
3. Does that mean Portland is giving Miami one final chance to complete this trade - but without a best offer will end negotiations to trade Dame and move on to holding Dame long term?
4. Does that mean Portland will next push back on Dame that the Miami offer is not realistic so he needs to add additional teams or accept returning to the Blazers?

I feel like different parties could spin that comment to fit whatever agenda they want.
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It means some combination of 1,3, and 4. If its 2 see you in the unemployment line Joe cause you’re done in the league!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Personally, I read it as #3. Basically Portland saying, "We're tired of your insulting offers. If you want Dame, prove it, but it's time to crap or get off the pot."
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I think it could be #1 or #3.

I don't think anyone is buying the bluff that Dame will refuse to play.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Sure... but most team pay those guys $10-15m/year. (ie - DiVincenzo, Clarkson, Kennard, Huerter, LeVert). Hell, Eric Gordon is getting paid $3M/yr.

Not $25-$30m/year
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Eric Gordon has made $158 million and earned 18 million last year at age 34. Yeah he's turning 35 soon and will now make much less at $3 million per year - nobody is saying Ant should make over $25+ million in 2035.

Jordan Poole, Tyler Herro, etc are paid about the same as Ant. Maybe he is a tad overpaid, but he certainly isn't significantly overpaid. If he makes improvements, as history would suggest will happen for a player after their age 23 season, he'll become very underpaid.

With the cap approaching 200 million there's plenty of room for Ant at $25 million - especially while our two cornerstones are on rookie contracts.

Now is Grant work $160 million or Nurk worth $70 million? Both are way past the age of improvements. Those are the overpaid contracts to criticize; not Ant signing for $25 million per year at 22.
 
e_blazer said:
The Blazers gave Ant that contract for two reasons: they think he has more upside than the average gunner; and the usual Blazers overpay because of small market and trying to keep a core together for Dame. The question is whether any other GMs around the league agree with the first assessment enough to swallow the second part.
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Doesn't really matter because the Blazers are very high on Ant so they aren't trading him unless its for a very good return; which apparently there isn't a market for right now.

Blazers will do a Dame trade first, possibly Nurk/Grant deals in the months ahead. They will take a lot of time, many months into the season if not into next summer, before deciding of doing any moves with Scoot/Sharpe/Ant.
 
Idog1976 said:
people are apologizing for it when our team is gonna get reamed? I just do not get it at all.
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we haven't seen the Miami package yet. Everything up to this point is pure speculation. Has Cronin made ugly trades to tear this team down for the rebuild? Yes, but that doesn't mean he's going to get hosed by Miami.

The material is already in the lot to begin the build, any extra help from Miami should be considered welcome. Thank you Pat Reily for taking this huge contract, we like the picks, good luck in the playoffs, have fun with your new All-Star.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
the Blazers are very high on Ant
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I don't know if this is true. It sounds like he doesn't have much of a market out there.... just like Herro.

I think we're stuck with him. It doesn't make sense to dump him for nothing with Dame going out there door, but I don't really see any indications that they're very high on him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think we're a long ways apart from them.

It sounds like they're offering some kind of crap deal with Herro, Robinson, maybe Jovic and a couple picks.

The best they can offer is not much better, but it IS better.

Jovic
Jaquez
2024
2028
2030
Pick from Herro trade
Pick from Martin trade
A couple pick swaps

That's a LOT better than what they are most likely offering, but Miami doesn't want to offer this because (as their shills have been screaming) they don't want to bid against themselves.
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This might end up being the best realistic deal. I hate the idea of getting zero known young players that appear to have a probable trajectory as a high quality starter. Selfishly, I would want Portland to get at least one guy they can hang their hat on. Jovic and Jaquez are not those guys.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think we're stuck with him. It doesn't make sense to dump him for nothing with Dame going out there door, but I don't really see any indications that they're very high on him.
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Chauncey loves him and he's been the face of Blazers marketing material for months.
 
Maybe we would get a 2024 pick from a 3rd team for Herro (Brooklyn, Philly, etc) and that would have a swap with Miami which makes much more sense. A 2024 swap with Miami PDX should have basically no value to us.

Now the 2027 and 2029 swaps I certainly do want us to get. Those could be worth a ton, especially if we rebuild well with Scoot/Sharpe/etc.
 
Tince said:
This might end up being the best realistic deal. I hate the idea of getting zero known young players that appear to have a probable trajectory as a high quality starter. Selfishly, I would want Portland to get at least one guy they can hang their hat on. Jovic and Jaquez are not those guys.
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If we do end up having that deal shoved down our throat, I'd be hoping we could flip some of those picks for Jarrett Allen.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
"- Multiple first-round pick swaps, which Miami has available for 2024, 2027, 2029."

LMAO I would so love if a 2024 Miami swap with the Blazers happens. So we would be in the lottery thus keep our pick from Chicago, but would swap so Miami actually finishes this year worse or jumps into the top4.
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I'm interested in what you're trying to spell out, but I'm not following it.

If we have a 2024 swap with Miami and we're in the lottery, we wouldn't exercise the swap, correct?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Maybe we would get a 2024 pick from a 3rd team for Herro (Brooklyn, Philly, etc) and that would have a swap with Miami which makes much more sense. A 2024 swap with Miami PDX should have basically no value to us.

Now the 2027 and 2029 swaps I certainly do want us to get. Those could be worth a ton, especially if we rebuild well with Scoot/Sharpe/etc.
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Yup. The 2024 swap would be basically worth nothing. It's filler. It's another line on the invoice to make the deal look better than it is.
 
Tince said:
I'm interested in what you're trying to spell out, but I'm not following it.

If we have a 2024 swap with Miami and we're in the lottery, we wouldn't exercise the swap, correct?
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I think he's saying it would be hilarious if we still ended up in the lottery so that we kept our pick instead of sending it to Chicago, but Miami has a worse season than us so we swap and take theirs.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think he's saying it would be hilarious if we still ended up in the lottery so that we kept our pick instead of sending it to Chicago, but Miami has a worse season than us so we swap and take theirs.
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LOL... oh my, yeah that would be some scenario.
 
Tince said:
That's the type of name I'd be happy to have in conjunction with a few first round picks.
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I'm really hoping that we can work out some kind of four team deal where we take some of Miami's crap and turn it into something decent.

Probably a pipe dream.
 
Natebishop3 said:
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Yeah if Miami pushes all their chips into this trade I've always maintained it could end up being very good value to Portland. Yeah I know many people scoff because there isn't a headline player as when the Nets got Bridges.

However; if we can control all of Miami draft equity in 2027, 2028, 2029, 2030 it could be worth a massive amount either at that time while we are pinched with max contracts around Scoot/Sharpe. Or in a deal earlier if we need picks to acquire that final star wing. We can also get a few additional pieces for Martin & Herro.

The was basically the entire problem with the last 11 years of building around DameCJ; we never had assets to go get that 2nd/3rd star wing.

Boston had less assets from Brooklyn than what we could potentially get if Miami pushes all their chips in. Boston still ended up with Tatum and Brown. Just imagine having a solid playoff team in ~5 years with Scoot/Sharpe entering their prime - and then drafting Brown one year and Tatum the next. It could be a dynasty.

Now Miami doesn't have any young studs so they do need to push in all those chips to get Dame! But some Blazers fans talking about how Miami has nothing good in a trade is very shortsighted.
 
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