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I don't agree with this at all. I'm not a huge fan of Herro, but he's only 23 and he actually contributes. He's a decent player.

Simmons is a tangled wreck sitting in the middle of a u-pull-it yard. He might not ever get back to what he was. Some people have called his contract the worst in the NBA. If the Nets wanted to move Simmons, they would have to attach a pick with him just to get someone to take him on.

Herro might not have a ton of value, but he's worth a pick.

Simmons isn't that bad of a contract, salaries have to match this year in a trade - next year its an expiring contract. Theres a dozen contracts that are worse in the NBA - starting with Dillon Brooks making up to 90-100 million.

Or Lamelo Ball making $250+ million while the franchise passes on Scoot. Yikes!
 
Wrong SF going from Toronto to PDX.

Cut the other teams out of it and simply give us Barnes. Makes way more sense for Toronto as well.

Makes no sense to have a one year veteran rental of OG come to PDX with Dame leaving. It would almost be a devious slap in Dame's face - trade him for one of the Blazers he's been begging to join him here.
 
Yeah, just seems like we aren't aggressively shopping him for sure. Perhaps there is another trade to be made that keeps dam and Scoot here. Maybe we trade Dame and Nurk and Ant. No idea how this is going to play out in the end.

We all guess and say what we want to happen and if we throw enough shit against the wall, something is bound to stick.

Its July - no urgency by any sides.

We get a few weeks out from training camp and both sides will want to move on. Dame add some teams to his list. Blazers start to demand a bit less back in trades.

Blazers don't want to have media day with Dame still here. They don't want to try and sell season tickets featuring a team led by ??? They want to get this resolved just like Dame does. But they don't want to take back a bunch of shit value.
 
Wrong SF going from Toronto to PDX.

Cut the other teams out of it and simply give us Barnes. Makes way more sense for Toronto as well.

Makes no sense to have a one year veteran rental of OG come to PDX with Dame leaving. It would almost be a devious slap in Dame's face - trade him for one of the Blazers he's been begging to join him here.

I'm not necessarily against adding OG because he just turned 26 and I think he could still fit our window.... but I think there's a good chance that this dude is going to be drastically overpaid in a year. Not really excited about that.
 
This needs some tinkering, but this seems fairly reasonable for all teams assuming you value Lillard as the game's best closer >> Jaylen Brown. It also feels like it might be a slight overpay for Houston, but Houston also seems ready to get back into contention and they'd be looking pretty good with Sengun, Smith, Brown, Brooks and Van Fleet. Great balance on that starting lineup. I really like Horford in the locker room as well and then we move on from Nurk.
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Houston is not sending that package over LMAO. Maybe Amen on his own or the Eason/Porter Jr/Picks. What you list is basically 2x the value they will give up.
 
When looking for a potential 3rd teammate to play with Scoot and Sharpe, I think fit, meaning someone who plays exceptional defense, is more important than trying to equal the value of Lillard.
Getting ScootShaedon's "Draymond Green" to me is a higher priority than getting "a haul" of players and picks.
getting both would be nice, of course.
Fit is what you worry about when your taking the steps from playoff team to contender.

Blazers need to build talent, they don't need to worry that much about fit.
 
Id personally trade Ant for Eason or Amen... I don't know about Jarabi, but probably him too.

I don't understand this.

How is Amen in discussions as a trade for Ant or throw in on a large Dame trade? Dude was picked right after Scoot and preferred by many over Scoot. One of probably 3-4 players that arguably could end up as the best in this draft class. I'd put his value close to Dame.
 
The interesting thing about trading for picks that are 4 to 6 years away is that we can hope that by then the team is sold to someone that cares about the fans. Someone that might be willing to trade picks for players with salaries that make us go over the luxury tax.

Distant future picks have a ton of value - yes they can be flipped for a star, they can be held to try and take a swing for a star, held for the chance the franchise rebuilds, used to keep the team contending if they have luxury tax concerns but acquire their main starters like Denver. So many options. I really want the Miami 2027-2030 draft equity and think many here are undervaluing it. However I'd hold firm that Miami needs to give us nearly every asset they can or we hold out for a better trade.
 
The whole state of Florida is now responsible for Miami trying to steal Dame. It's totally cool to shit on anyone from that state in any context until Dame is traded. And if he is dealt to Miami that goes for at least a year.
At least one person isn't hoping MIA steals Dame. And most everyone north of Alligator Alley thinks MIA are out of their minds thinking they have the leverage.
 
I'm not necessarily against adding OG because he just turned 26 and I think he could still fit our window.... but I think there's a good chance that this dude is going to be drastically overpaid in a year. Not really excited about that.

He made a lot of sense to play with Dame. Doesn't make any sense as the main piece back in a trade of Dame. Sure I'd rather have him than not have him. It just makes way more sense to get other assets here or send OG to a 3rd team that is a better immediate fit. Its a bit similar to adding Jaylen Brown here - it doesn't make any sense if we trade away Dame.

Sure I hope Scoot and Sharpe develop faster than we expect and are a dominant all star duo. But who knows - they might both flop and be better long term as backups. We don't know if we're half way done with the rebuild or basically have 0 long term franchise pieces to build around. We need players that make sense regardless of how next season progresses, regardless of how many years we stay in the lottery, and make sense regardless of what we do or don't get out of Scoot/Sharpe.

Guys like Scottie Barnes make sense with either outcome. OG doesn't.
 
Couldn't that have been said about paying Dillon Brooks 80 mil when they have Eason, Thompson, and now Cam Whitmore who can play the same position at a fraction of the price? The answer is yes. But they seemingly want to accelerate their competitiveness with the acquisition of Brook, Udoka and Van Fleet. I think they'd welcome a consolidation of young talent for a known veteran like Jaylen Brown who isn't even in his prime yet.
They didn’t have to give up anyone to get those “upgrades” so it’s a completely different scenario. If they had to give up Eason for Brooks, I’d bet they’d say no.

I am fairly convinced they’d say absolutely not to almost any trades that involve any 2 of the 3 players you listed. I think the odds that they’d consider Amen or Jabari for virtually anyone outside of Embiid and Giannis caliber players damn near 0.
 
They didn’t have to give up anyone to get those “upgrades” so it’s a completely different scenario. If they had to give up Eason for Brooks, I’d bet they’d say no.

I am fairly convinced they’d say absolutely not to almost any trades that involve any 2 of the 3 players you listed. I think the odds that they’d consider Amen or Jabari for virtually anyone outside of Embiid and Giannis caliber players damn near 0.

Because of summer league? Because Jabari looked like ass last year.
 
Blazers should tell Miami what they want (if the Heat have what Portland wants) versus asking Miami to make their best offer.
 
I don't understand this.

How is Amen in discussions as a trade for Ant or throw in on a large Dame trade? Dude was picked right after Scoot and preferred by many over Scoot. One of probably 3-4 players that arguably could end up as the best in this draft class. I'd put his value close to Dame.
I would bet Houston values Jabari // Amen higher than Scoot // Sharpe
 
He made a lot of sense to play with Dame. Doesn't make any sense as the main piece back in a trade of Dame. Sure I'd rather have him than not have him. It just makes way more sense to get other assets here or send OG to a 3rd team that is a better immediate fit. Its a bit similar to adding Jaylen Brown here - it doesn't make any sense if we trade away Dame.

Sure I hope Scoot and Sharpe develop faster than we expect and are a dominant all star duo. But who knows - they might both flop and be better long term as backups. We don't know if we're half way done with the rebuild or basically have 0 long term franchise pieces to build around. We need players that make sense regardless of how next season progresses, regardless of how many years we stay in the lottery, and make sense regardless of what we do or don't get out of Scoot/Sharpe.

Guys like Scottie Barnes make sense with either outcome. OG doesn't.

Yes, Barnes would be ideal. No doubt. He is still very young and in a position of need. But in the event Toronto also values him......
OG would also make sense. I mean we do need to take back some salary for Dame. He is a better option than most as he also gives us a player of need. (a big defensive-minded SF) Who else?
 
Because of summer league? Because Jabari looked like ass last year.
No because of what their GM and Udoka have said about him.

I’m not even a huge fan of Jabari as I was leading the Paolo charge last year, but Jabari is a 6’10 “shooter” and elite defender that can play multiple positions. Pretty hard to find those guys. Even if I don’t think he has the dribbling ability to become a go-to option, he’s like 19? 20?

If he comes even close to Jaren Jackson Jr. or Evan Mobley that’s a pretty valuable player.

And I agree he looked pretty bad last year, but I’d assume HOU thinks they can get his 3pt% up quite a bit. His shooting absolutely tanked last year
 
No because of what their GM and Udoka have said about him.

I’m not even a huge fan of Jabari as I was leading the Paolo charge last year, but Jabari is a 6’10 “shooter” and elite defender that can play multiple positions. Pretty hard to find those guys. Even if I don’t think he has the dribbling ability to become a go-to option, he’s like 19? 20?

If he comes even close to Jaren Jackson Jr. or Evan Mobley that’s a pretty valuable player.

And I agree he looked pretty bad last year, but I’d assume HOU thinks they can get his 3pt% up quite a bit. His shooting absolutely tanked last year
You can’t take statements from coaches or GMs as iron clad. They say shit and then they trade someone. Happens all the time.
 
Its July - no urgency by any sides.

We get a few weeks out from training camp and both sides will want to move on. Dame add some teams to his list. Blazers start to demand a bit less back in trades.

Blazers don't want to have media day with Dame still here. They don't want to try and sell season tickets featuring a team led by ??? They want to get this resolved just like Dame does. But they don't want to take back a bunch of shit value.

We'll see.
 
Houston is not sending that package over LMAO. Maybe Amen on his own or the Eason/Porter Jr/Picks. What you list is basically 2x the value they will give up.
I didn’t realize that Eason, Amen and Smith Jr. were all generational talents in their prime! I need to go put $10k on HOU winning it all next year since they have three players who are as good or better than Jaylen Brown and most of them are only 20! No wonder they brought in FVV and Brooks to come off the Bench for their multiple top 10 in the league guys!

All sarcasm aside, those young guys are very talented and could even be all stars some day. Jaylen Brown is a two way wing who was just voted second team all NBA, meaning by definition he’s a top 10 player (or a top 4 wing, which IMO is even better in this wing dominant league) who is in his early prime. He’s absolutely worth two of those guys and picks. Dame is even better having the rarest talent in the NBA. Dame is arguably the greatest clutch player in NBA history.
 
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No, they shouldn’t, as that would be a display of piss-poor negotiating skills.
If you ask them to give you their best offer they will low ball which they have done.
If you are Portland and you want to send Dame to Miami ask them for what you want in return and see what they counter with. We are the ones selling not them.
 
If you ask them to give you their best offer they will low ball which they have done.
If you are Portland and you want to send Dame to Miami ask them for what you want in return and see what they counter with. We are the ones selling not them.

I am pretty sure they asked for Bam and were told no, so at this point, they gave an offer that Portland did not like. I would say, it's up to Miami now.
 
I am pretty sure they asked for Bam and were told no, so at this point, they gave an offer that Portland did not like. I would say, it's up to Miami now.
Miami is looking for the best deal they can get without giving up to much and Portland should establish the price with Miami, as they are, the could be sellers, and should maximize what they can get.
 
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Miami is looking for the best deal they can get without giving up to much and Portland should establish the price with Miami, as they are, the could be sellers, and should maximize what they can get.

I think Portland does not believe Miami is where the best deal will come, so they want Miami to give them the most they are willing to give - so they can confirm it. Basically, Portland wants Dame to open the list of teams he is willing to go to or have to report to training camp with the Blazers. Given that, they Blazers have no interest what so ever to make Miami's life easier. They asked for something (Bam), they were told no, got a low-ball offer they rejected. At this point, there is a stalemate - and it's not Portland that needs to be worried about the time.

Miami has a bigger pressure on them, if they do not want to move it on - Portland can wait - until either Miami relents or Dame relents. Either way, works to Portland's advantage.
 
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