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Watching him get better has been the highlight of the season for me so far. I've been classifying it as 2 steps forward, 1 step back, but ultimately, that's still improvement.

He's slowing down and reading defenses finally, and his shot is dropping these days. He's gonna be scary good.

He impacts the game so much even without scoring; it's rare for a PG to do that these days.
 
illmatic99 said:
Watching him get better has been the highlight of the season for me so far. I've been classifying it as 2 steps forward, 1 step back, but ultimately, that's still improvement.

He's slowing down and reading defenses finally, and his shot is dropping these days. He's gonna be scary good.

He impacts the game so much even without scoring; it's rare for a PG to do that these days.
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Hopefully he reaches nightmare level.
 
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...ing-superstardom-where-warriors-miss-draymond

3. Scoot Henderson, showing some of the right signs
Henderson's (very bad) shooting numbers from 2-point range haven't budged since his return from an ankle injury, but he's making an acceptable number of 3s and looks like a different player with the ball. He's more under control -- pinning defenders on his hip, changing pace, slowing down and waiting for the defense to expose something.

Portland Trail Blazers have scored 1.22 points per possession on trips featuring a Henderson pick-and-roll -- 26th among 157 players who have run at least 50 such plays in that stretch, per Second Spectrum.

The Spurs did Henderson a favor in that game by chasing him over screens. Most opponents duck screens for Henderson, and he'll see that treatment until he beats it consistently. His pull-up jumper doesn't look broken, but he has hit only 34% on midrangers. Henderson can sometimes outrace defenders to the area under the screen -- and break down the defense from there. The Blazers jump-start him by setting screens lower on the floor. But that's tough sledding.

The Blazers face an interesting puzzle splitting minutes and touches among Henderson, Anfernee Simons and Shaedon Sharpe. The trio has logged just 41 minutes; Portland is a disastrous minus-27 over those minutes. They might not be able to tread water on defense.


Sharpe has blossomed hopping between on-ball and off-ball roles; he is ready for more. Simons is a great shooter who draws a ton of attention on the pick-and-roll. Henderson is (by far) the worst shooter among them, but he's the future.
 
December 1st through yesterday (January 7th) , Scoot now fits in with the group of players who should be taking 3-point shots.
36.8% during that period.

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blazerfan11 said:
December 1st through yesterday (January 7th) , Scoot now fits in with the group of players who should be taking 3-point shots.
36.8% during that period.

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The small sample of just January:

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Great to see he's improving as the sample size continues to grow. About all we could reasonably hope for knowing shooting was a concern coming into the league.
 
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And according the @KingSpeed , he is only the second 19-year-old to post at least 33 points/7 rebounds/ 9 assists/3 steals. The other is Kevin Durant.

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Every shot with his right hand also.
If this kid gets in the gym this summer and works on finishing left he is going to be incredible.
Give him some time Blazer fans.
 
BankTeller said:
I AM talking Jaylen Brown lol. Yeah, the whole idea makes me sound f’ing crazy. My logic was that Jaylen’s contract will be $50+m over the next five seasons—if Jaylen doesn’t improve his playmaking and handle or if Boston doesn’t make the finals, they’re kind of stuck.

People talk about the Grant contract being terrible, but Jaylen’s is twice as much. Idc what people think, Jaylen is NOT twice the player.

Yeah, it takes a level of desperation on their part to offer this package. But without the two 1sts, I find myself disinterested in a deal with Boston anyway. It was just a possibility I came up with for next season.
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That trade would be like reversing the Damian Lillard trade, trading picks for an all-star vet that will probably help us stay somewhere in mediocrity land. I'd certainly not trade unprotected picks.

If he were on a long term deal that paid him 35 rather than going up to 65 million it would be more enticing.
 
beast crnjo said:
That trade would be like reversing the Damian Lillard trade, trading picks for an all-star vet that will probably help us stay somewhere in mediocrity land. I'd certainly not trade unprotected picks.

If he were on a long term deal that paid him 35 rather than going up to 65 million it would be more enticing.
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But then we wouldn’t get any 1sts back with him. Celtics wouldn’t think about giving up anything of value like 1st round picks if he was only making $35m, THEY’D be the one demanding picks from us.

The idea I suggested getting 1sts for us to take on Brown’s contract and give them Ant and Grant was already kind of far fetched. Your caveat of “maybe if Brown was making $35m instead of $65m” makes the whole hypothetical impossible unless you thought Brad Stevens was brain dead.
 
Scoot was 5 of 14 at the rim last night. It's good that he got to the rim so much, but there are times when he attempted awkward shots. I hope he can learn to pass out of some of those.
 
BankTeller said:
But then we wouldn’t get any 1sts back with him. Celtics wouldn’t think about giving up anything of value like 1st round picks if he was only making $35m, THEY’D be the one demanding picks from us.

The idea I suggested getting 1sts for us to take on Brown’s contract and give them Ant and Grant was already kind of far fetched. Your caveat of “maybe if Brown was making $35m instead of $65m” makes the whole hypothetical impossible unless you thought Brad Stevens was brain dead.
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If Brown made ~10 mil more per season than Grant, the Celtics might want to downgrade, to Grant to save on the luxury tax. I don't think they would either, but I'm really talking about the interests of the Blazers. Trading unprotected firsts to take on Brown's contract, that'll pay him 65 mil when he's 33 is not it.
 
beast crnjo said:
If Brown made ~10 mil more per season than Grant, the Celtics might want to downgrade, to Grant to save on the luxury tax. I don't think they would either, but I'm really talking about the interests of the Blazers. Trading unprotected firsts to take on Brown's contract, that'll pay him 65 mil when he's 33 is not it.
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Why do you keep saying us trading unprotected 1sts to take on Brown’s contract? My scenario was us GETTING 1sts back for taking on Brown’s contract.
 
BankTeller said:
Why do you keep saying us trading unprotected 1sts to take on Brown’s contract? My scenario was us GETTING 1sts back for taking on Brown’s contract.
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Oh, I totally misread that then, I thought you had us offering picks to get him.
 
kjironman1 said:
Every shot with his right hand also.
If this kid gets in the gym this summer and works on finishing left he is going to be incredible.
Give him some time Blazer fans.
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The fact that he knocked down his 3s and 7-9 of his FTs last night means something. Finishing, especially for an athlete like scoot, can be fixed with lots of repetition.
 
Samuel said:
The fact that he knocked down his 3s and 7-9 of his FTs last night means something. Finishing, especially for an athlete like scoot, can be fixed with lots of repetition.
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I'm certain the coaches see this and they will be working on it. He's showing me he will be very good. Just needs to keep working and improving.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So genuine question for you.

Despite this board, or at least a large portion of it, valuing Simons at a high level, why does it appear that the rest of the league does not? Simons and Herro are very similar players and during the summer when there were rumors about the blazers shopping Simons and the Heat supposedly trying to get value for Herro so they couple flip it for Dame, nobody was biting. So what does the league know that we do not?
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We also know, we just don't like admitting it. Both players give up as much as they score at times. They are both very poor defenders that are buckets, but for as much as they score, not alphas. So they are expensive, point getters that don't contribute a lot of other things.
 
blazerfan11 said:
And according the @KingSpeed , he is only the second 19-year-old to post at least 33 points/7 rebounds/ 9 assists/3 steals. The other is Kevin Durant.

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people get irritated with me when I post some statistical 'analysis'

that kind of cherry-picked snapshot is obviously designed to make Scoot look great but has no comparative context, and I think that's a little irritating

so, compare the context between what Scoot did and what Curry did:

Points: Curry 36...Scoot 33
FGA: Curry 22...Scoot 31
FG%: Curry .500...Scoot .355
Rebounds: Curry 10...Scoot 7
Assists: Curry 13...Scoot 9
TS%: Curry .705...Scoot .472
eFG%: Curry .659...Scoot .419
BPM: Curry +6.9...Scoot +0.8
Result: Warriors win by 30...Blazers lose by 11

those are simply not equivalent games, but you'd never know it by that cherry-picked snapshot. Curry had a triple double AND great efficiency; and his team won. Same for 19-year old Durant. Scoot shot 31 times last night in his 30th NBA game. Durant didn't have 31 FGA in a game till the 38th game of his 3rd season. Curry didn't shoot 31 times till the 80th game of his 3rd season when he scored 47. Dame didn't shoot that many times till the 80th game of his 5th season when he scored 59

don't take this as trashing Scoot because I haven't been one of those doing that. He's not a bust and he isn't going to be. That game last night showed Scoot's potential, and it also showed his major flaw.
 
I think the scoring, assists, and rebounds he had last night were a taste of what's to come. I think Billups is right on just green lighting him on a tank year. He has to keep shooting. There is no other way to get better. The efficiency is highly likely to improve. Has any player shot their career best in their rookie year at point guard?

Turnovers are getting fewer and he is not afraid to play very very physical. He is simply built like a brick shit house and I mean that in the best sense of the term.
 
wizenheimer said:
people get irritated with me when I post some statistical 'analysis'

that kind of cherry-picked snapshot is obviously designed to make Scoot look great but has no comparative context, and I think that's a little irritating

so, compare the context between what Scoot did and what Curry did:

Points: Curry 36...Scoot 33
FGA: Curry 22...Scoot 31
FG%: Curry .500...Scoot .355
Rebounds: Curry 10...Scoot 7
Assists: Curry 13...Scoot 9
TS%: Curry .705...Scoot .472
eFG%: Curry .659...Scoot .419
BPM: Curry +6.9...Scoot +0.8
Result: Warriors win by 30...Blazers lose by 11

those are simply not equivalent games, but you'd never know it by that cherry-picked snapshot. Curry had a triple double AND great efficiency; and his team won. Same for 19-year old Durant. Scoot shot 31 times last night in his 30th NBA game. Durant didn't have 31 FGA in a game till the 38th game of his 3rd season. Curry didn't shoot 31 times till the 80th game of his 3rd season when he scored 47. Dame didn't shoot that many times till the 80th game of his 5th season when he scored 59

don't take this as trashing Scoot because I haven't been one of those doing that. He's not a bust and he isn't going to be. That game last night showed Scoot's potential, and it also showed his major flaw.
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These kinds of things are exactly why we love what you post here. I'm actually not sure how you pull of as much work as you do in this stuff? I used to write pre-games very consistently. No where near the amount of pure data you come up with and it was extremely time consuming. Just knowing what the teams have done in the last week and what they did the last meeting or two. Who has been hot? Who is injured or coming back? It was no less than an hour or two every day. Sometimes I'd get up 2 hours before I had to in the morning before work to put it all together.
 
kjironman1 said:
These kinds of things are exactly why we love what you post here. I'm actually not sure how you pull of as much work as you do in this stuff? I used to write pre-games very consistently. No where near the amount of pure data you come up with and it was extremely time consuming. Just knowing what the teams have done in the last week and what they did the last meeting or two. Who has been hot? Who is injured or coming back? It was no less than an hour or two every day. Sometimes I'd get up 2 hours before I had to in the morning before work to put it all together.
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thanks!

it really didn't take that much time at BBREF to dial up the box scores of the Curry and Scoot games. A little bit of time sorting thru game logs of Curry, Durant, and Dame, but the FGA are in a column so it's pretty quick
 
wizenheimer said:
people get irritated with me when I post some statistical 'analysis'

that kind of cherry-picked snapshot is obviously designed to make Scoot look great but has no comparative context, and I think that's a little irritating

so, compare the context between what Scoot did and what Curry did:

Points: Curry 36...Scoot 33
FGA: Curry 22...Scoot 31
FG%: Curry .500...Scoot .355
Rebounds: Curry 10...Scoot 7
Assists: Curry 13...Scoot 9
TS%: Curry .705...Scoot .472
eFG%: Curry .659...Scoot .419
BPM: Curry +6.9...Scoot +0.8
Result: Warriors win by 30...Blazers lose by 11

those are simply not equivalent games, but you'd never know it by that cherry-picked snapshot. Curry had a triple double AND great efficiency; and his team won. Same for 19-year old Durant. Scoot shot 31 times last night in his 30th NBA game. Durant didn't have 31 FGA in a game till the 38th game of his 3rd season. Curry didn't shoot 31 times till the 80th game of his 3rd season when he scored 47. Dame didn't shoot that many times till the 80th game of his 5th season when he scored 59

don't take this as trashing Scoot because I haven't been one of those doing that. He's not a bust and he isn't going to be. That game last night showed Scoot's potential, and it also showed his major flaw.
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When was the first time Dame had 30 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists, and 3 steals (or better) in a game?
 
wizenheimer said:
thanks!

it really didn't take that much time at BBREF to dial up the box scores of the Curry and Scoot games. A little bit of time sorting thru game logs of Curry, Durant, and Dame, but the FGA are in a column so it's pretty quick
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When was the last time you spent that much time on BBRef to show something positive about a Blazers player, instead of it seemingly always being a way to dispute a positive?
 
RR7 said:
When was the last time you spent that much time on BBRef to show something positive about a Blazers player, instead of it seemingly always being a way to dispute a positive?
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Agreed. While I can appreciate the detail in the responses, sometimes I feel like I’m just debating with the ultimate contrarian. And as you probably know, those are the type of people you’ll never win a debate against in real life, at least in their own heads lol. I’ve had times where I’ve definitely made some good points before on a couple topics and get hit with a “GEEEEZUS”, like…
 
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When was the last time you spent that much time on BBRef to show something positive about a Blazers player, instead of it seemingly always being a way to dispute a positive?
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I would say there is no shortage of people wanting to put a positive spin on things until the thing that they are spinning collapses like a house of cards. It is good to know if praise is appropriate or not.
 
RR7 said:
When was the last time you spent that much time on BBRef to show something positive about a Blazers player, instead of it seemingly always being a way to dispute a positive?
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when was the last time you said something positive about me? because you sure the fuck have said plenty of negative things
 
blazerfan11 said:
When was the first time Dame had 30 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists, and 3 steals (or better) in a game?
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I didn't say anything negative about his rebounds and assists. Those were good numbers. His 3.0 assist/turnover ratio was good too and that was better than Curry's. And, 4-9 on three's was good as well

33 points on 31 shots is not good. Scoot averaged 1.06 points/shot. The rest of the team averaged 1.47
 
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