Scoot Henderson thread

[BIG Q]

Some Blazer fans: Scoot is a Bust

Scoot: Hold my Beer

And Scoot is not even old enough to have a beer!

 

[RR7]

I guess what I don't get, is the fear of being wrong. Who cares? I choose to believe in a player until all doubt is removed of his inability to rise to the next level. Is there some prize for being right about a player being not good?

And before someone asks....the prize for supporting before proof is existing..... is a personal place of positive, rather than negative.... until such questions are answered. Simple, really.

Thank you! I don't really get this either. It's almost as if some in here think a journalism career is going to come from their "unbiased" coverage of the team from our message board. It's mind boggling to me to see some posters that have spent a TON of time and writing trying to disprove any positive notion people have on the board. That's a weird sort of fandom to me.
I understand i isn't all sunshine and rainbows, and I've definitely expressed negative opinions on players here. But a bust after 20 games when we're all hoping he can become a franchise player is next level.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Really like the progress we are seeing out of Scoot. He seems to let the game come more to him and isn't playing so frantically like the first 10 games. Seems he's gotten those early game jitters out. His 3 point shot of late has been a nice surprise too, wonder if he has been putting in a lot of work on his shot, if so it shows. We just all have to be patient with Scoot, right now he looks every bit worthy of the #3 selection, but he is young and is going to have his ups and downs, he'll have more downs this year I am sure, we just gotta be patient. My main criticism I have that he still needs to really work on is the fouling, he is still a fouling machine.

I’ll say this he’s fouling because he’s putting in the work on defense. He’s extremely aggressive and I’m ok with that refs will eventually back off. Aggressive defenders seem to get the benefit after a while

 

[riverman]

Scoot is going to be a great pt guard. He's fortunately got an NBA body his rookie season and mad athletic ability. Sky is the limit for this kid

 

[Natebishop3]

I think we can hold onto all three guards for at least another year, but the decision has to be made going into 25-26 because I don’t think we can risk Ant leaving for nothing or potentially having to pay all three max extensions.

 

[julius]

His shooting is suspect (and his offensive rating vs defensive rating is not good), but I really like how he's showing growth as quick as he is. He has struggles (as I said, he's not a good shooter yet), but he's showing that the game is slowing down for him. I don't mind the mistakes on offense (passes, etc), but he's gotta work on finishing.

 

[BIG Q]

I think we can hold onto all three guards for at least another year, but the decision has to be made going into 25-26 because I don’t think we can risk Ant leaving for nothing or potentially having to pay all three max extensions.

I think Ant is worth more in trade the sooner he is moved than the later. A team interested in him wants his cheap contract for as long as possible before extending him again.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think Ant is worth more in trade the sooner he is moved than the later. A team interested in him wants his cheap contract for as long as possible before extending him again.

This is probably true but it's hard to say. I think if we give him a full year at point guard he can show that he is, in fact, a point guard. I think teams thought he was another combo guard like CJ.

 

[TYDame]

Scoot can be an athletic CP3 if he can perfect that midrange jumper

 

[Phatguysrule]

Still December and I am pretty sure he is not a "bust" anymore. Lol, he can be in ROY talks in March. He will be probably.

Some Blazer fans: Scoot is a Bust

Scoot: Hold my Beer

Now that Scoot is taking and making some 3's he is seeing a much more open court. Defenses have to guard his shot now. Next progression might take a full season. He needs to work on finishing left. When (yes I said WHEN) he does that he will be one of the best PG's in the league.
Get ready everyone because this guy will be fun to watch hopefully for a very long time.

And Scoot is not even old enough to have a beer!

Time to change the name of the thread to Bust A Scoot yet?

I don't remember who suggested it, but it needs to happen.

Here it is! it was @kjironman1

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I think we can hold onto all three guards for at least another year, but the decision has to be made going into 25-26 because I don’t think we can risk Ant leaving for nothing or potentially having to pay all three max extensions.

my only fear is do ego’s get in the way. If all three aren’t starting or if one guy is stunting the growth of another (Ant stunting growth of Shae or Scoot) one will eventually want out of Portland.

my biggest fear is Sharpe tends to defer so when he’s not being asked to do as much he disappears thus stunting his growth. Guess you can see who plays together the best and then make a decision

here’s my take on all three

Ant- phenomenal offensive player with all star potential. Offensively makes game a little easier because he draws so much attention but ultimately not a true PG becoming acceptable defender

Scoot- superstar potential. Be an ok shooter who will eventually be able to get to the basket at will. His strength is old school PG drive and find guys for easy shots. Defensively has all star potential and wants to be great defender. Skys the limit with his determination and skill set

Sharpe- huge upside and for the most part when asked can carry a team offensively. Potential to be really good defender. Good to great shooter/scorer. Can disappear when playing with other good players, he rarely forces shots and extremely team oriented. All star/ super star potential but needs to be carburetor not a piston (sorry poor analogy but you get the point)

 

[42N8Bounce]

Watching the Scoot highlights from last night's game, he seems to be taking his time and squaring up on his 3 pointers. Not as rushed as he was in his earlier games. 3/5 on the evening. Hopefully that's a sign of things to come.

Posted this in the game thread -



Scoot has put together a nice run of games of late.

 

[BIG Q]

my only fear is do ego’s get in the way. If all three aren’t starting or if one guy is stunting the growth of another (Ant stunting growth of Shae or Scoot) one will eventually want out of Portland.

my biggest fear is Sharpe tends to defer so when he’s not being asked to do as much he disappears thus stunting his growth. Guess you can see who plays together the best and then make a decision

here’s my take on all three

Ant- phenomenal offensive player with all star potential. Offensively makes game a little easier because he draws so much attention but ultimately not a true PG becoming acceptable defender

Scoot- superstar potential. Be an ok shooter who will eventually be able to get to the basket at will. His strength is old school PG drive and find guys for easy shots. Defensively has all star potential and wants to be great defender. Skys the limit with his determination and skill set

Sharpe- huge upside and for the most part when asked can carry a team offensively. Potential to be really good defender. Good to great shooter/scorer. Can disappear when playing with other good players, he rarely forces shots and extremely team oriented. All star/ super star potential but needs to be carburetor not a piston (sorry poor analogy but you get the point)

I agree with all of this. My direct thought is that with all you've pointed out, Sharpe has the biggest upside but to get the most out of him he needs to be with an unselfish PG. Hence, Portland drafted Scoot. He loves to pass and rack up assists. Developing his shot will be important. But he has been doing very well since the injury. Ant, as you said is a phenomenal offensive player, etc... But he is not a pass first PG like Scoot which I whole heartedly feel Sharpe needs. I just don't see Ant wanting anything to do with being a sixth man. Unfortunately he most likely needs to go. I agree with others saying he is worth a couple first rounders. I doubt Portland can get a player they can truly use or build with for Ant. Teams loathe trading big for small. Portland has draft capital if going for a star in trade. Many ways they could go. But Scoot started the season awful, was injured, and is now playing well. Small sample size. But if he plays the rest of the season the way he is now probably does not bode well for Ant staying in Portland. Most knew by the end of Sharpe's rookie season that he was special. Scoot is exceeding Sharpe's end of rookie season showing now, when considering his assists along with scoring. Anyways, great post above.

 

[Tince]

This is probably true but it's hard to say. I think if we give him a full year at point guard he can show that he is, in fact, a point guard. I think teams thought he was another combo guard like CJ.

We better get something real nice in return if we're going to trade our best player.

 

[blazerkor]

This is probably true but it's hard to say. I think if we give him a full year at point guard he can show that he is, in fact, a point guard. I think teams thought he was another combo guard like CJ.

I think when it comes to trading Ant, a team would have to blow our doors off if they wanted him by the upcoming trade deadline... I think the same thing would go for the upcoming draft. I think we would get serious about trading him at the deadline 2025 but maybe by then there is a three man rotation at guard that just works between Ant, Shae and Scoot. A lot of time to be patient with Scoot and the three guard situation.

 

[42N8Bounce]

No you won’t. Some of us are already excited.

I like your vibe, Eric. The secret to being happy in life is to set reasonable expectations.

 

[Natebishop3]

We better get something real nice in return if we're going to trade our best player.

Why would we trade Reath????

 

[kjironman1]

Time to change the name of the thread to Bust A Scoot yet?

I don't remember who suggested it, but it needs to happen.

I can take credit for that.

 

[kjironman1]

Time to change the name of the thread to Bust A Scoot yet?

I don't remember who suggested it, but it needs to happen.

Different thread but here ya go.

Busta-Scoot?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Different thread but here ya go.

Yes! All Scoot threads should be merged into a main Busta-Scoot thread.

Just sayin'...

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

In 4 weeks he went from a -2 PER to a +7PER

I like what I’m seeing

 

[wizenheimer]

We better get something real nice in return if we're going to trade our best player.

I wonder if that's how the Warriors felt when they traded Monta Ellis

 

[Tince]

I wonder if that's how the Warriors felt when they traded Monta Ellis

I don't wonder that, but if we have a future multi-time MVP, and two other all-star players on our roster like the Warriors did, then we could probably not maximize the value on an Ant trade.

I don't believe that's the case.

 

[BIG Q]

I don't wonder that, but if we have a future multi-time MVP, and two other all-star players on our roster like the Warriors did, then we could probably not maximize the value on an Ant trade.

I don't believe that's the case.

The Warriors did not have anything more than hope for a future multi-time MVP and two other all-star players when they traded Ellis. Same position Portland currently finds itself in.

 

[Tince]

The Warriors did not have anything more than hope for a future multi-time MVP and two other all-star players when they traded Ellis. Same position Portland currently finds itself in.

Sure. So if that is the strategy: Hope Sharpe is a multi-MVP and Scoot/Ayton are all-stars, then I wouldn't be concerned about getting good value for Ant.

I think that is an unlikely outcome and a poor strategy though.

 

[julius]

He had that one pass (to Thybulle I think?) that was soooooooooooooooo sweet. And not a "ooh, flashy" good (tho it was flashy) but "damnit man, that was a borderline brilliant pass that takes a lot of guile" good.

I do notice that he's not nearly the leaper that it was implied (that could just be in the future). I saw that he reportedly had a 46" vertical leap (I'm suspicious of that tbh), but he really hasn't shown it. NOT that I think he needs to, a dunk and a layup are both worth the same amount. I don't think he was at the combine, so I'm not finding any legit sources for his standing reach, vertical, etc...

 

[BankTeller]

I got to watch yesterday’s game live. Obviously, he still has a lot to work on. But his playmaking ability is very real. He had just as much to do with Jabari’s career high as Jabari did. I’m excited to see the Scoot and Shae backcourt in their prime. Play-style wise, their games mesh as well as you can ask for, honestly.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't wonder that, but if we have a future multi-time MVP, and two other all-star players on our roster like the Warriors did, then we could probably not maximize the value on an Ant trade.

I don't believe that's the case.

right...if the gauge of a trade is what happens several years later

of course, you weren't talking about that when I replied. You were talking about the here and now of Portland possibly trading their best player, with 'best' being a subjective gauge that doesn't account for both ends of the floor, or the record the team has with that best player.

 

[blazerkor]

right...if the gauge of a trade is what happens several years later

of course, you weren't talking about that when I replied. You were talking about the here and now of Portland possibly trading their best player, with 'best' being a subjective gauge that doesn't account for both ends of the floor, or the record the team has with that best player.

I just hope a few teams in the league gauge Ant as our most valuable asset and bid accordingly.

 

[Tince]

right...if the gauge of a trade is what happens several years later

of course, you weren't talking about that when I replied. You were talking about the here and now of Portland possibly trading their best player, with 'best' being a subjective gauge that doesn't account for both ends of the floor, or the record the team has with that best player.

Correct. In the here and now, I don't think Portland has the luxury of missing on a trade that involves the best (or one of the best) players on their roster. I'm unsure why anyone would be ok with the team only getting back marginal return for a player of Ants skill, contract, and age. I certainly wouldn't bank on the outcome similar to the Warriors trade of Monta Ellis and their current roster to justify simply unloading Ant to provide more minutes for Scoot/Sharpe.