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SlyPokerDog said:
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What is it they liked to say? Fuck your feelings.
Nick Adams is such a trollish waste of a lot of skin.
 
Phatguysrule said:
They don't actually want to fix the problems. They just want to do barely enough to stay in power.
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To actually fix the problems the Republicans would have to be on board. I don't know the actual problems will ever get fixed.

It's basically one party putting affect laws and regulations and the other undoing them over and over. It's a shit show across the board.
 
Chris Craig said:
To actually fix the problems the Republicans would have to be on board. I don't know the actual problems will ever get fixed.

It's basically one party putting affect laws and regulations and the other undoing them over and over. It's a shit show across the board.
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That's the way both parties want it.
 
Not just fascists. The most mild middle of the road Democrat was radical left socialist communist. Opponents needed to be locked up, beat up, even killed. Wearing a mask was just like Hitler (the bad liberal Hitler, not the good one who likes Republicans). We heard years of fuck your feelings and liberal snowflakes.

But OMG Biden is so mean!!!!!
 

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Phatguysrule said:
That's the way both parties want it.
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I’ve been a life long Democrat, and I can recall how much Democrats love having republicans in office undoing all of the things they’ve done… oh right that never happened, I’ve never met a Democrat that wants that. Get that ridiculous narrative out of here.
 
Voodoo said:
I’ve been a life long Democrat, and I can recall how much Democrats love having republicans in office undoing all of the things they’ve done… oh right that never happened, I’ve never met a Democrat that wants that. Get that ridiculous narrative out of here.
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If anything the Democrats in the Senate and House are perhaps too bent on playing by the rules and being goody-goody, even if that's how it should be.

The Republicans could give a fuck about the rules, about candor. They refuse to cooperate and work across the isle. It's all their way or no way.

The Democrats are the ones who usually let in. They acquiesce to the demands of Republicans to get their bills through, in the hopes Republicans will likewise work with them in the future. But, the Republicans pull the rug again and again and refuse to work with the Democrats when it's their turn. They undo all the bills and regulations the Dems put in place. They give their rich buddies tax breaks and put the weight of that on a shrinking middle class. They have the lobby in their pockets, buying their votes.

That's not to say there aren't some Dems who are just as bad.
 
Chris Craig said:
If anything the Democrats in the Senate and House are perhaps too bent on playing by the rules and being goody-goody, even if that's how it should be.

The Republicans could give a fuck about the rules, about candor. They refuse to cooperate and work across the isle. It's all their way or no way.

The Democrats are the ones who usually let in. They acquiesce to the demands of Republicans to get their bills through, in the hopes Republicans will likewise work with them in the future. But, the Republicans pull the rug again and again and refuse to work with the Democrats when it's their turn. They undo all the bills and regulations the Dems put in place. They give their rich buddies tax breaks and put the weight of that on a shrinking middle class. They have the lobby in their pockets, buying their votes.

That's not to say there aren't some Dems who are just as bad.
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MAGAts just can't wrap their minds around the idea that Ol' Sleepy Joe tore Page #1 out of Trump's playbook and shoved it down their throats. The nerve!!
 
Voodoo said:
I’ve been a life long Democrat, and I can recall how much Democrats love having republicans in office undoing all of the things they’ve done… oh right that never happened, I’ve never met a Democrat that wants that. Get that ridiculous narrative out of here.
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Democrats love bitching about it. Gets them more money from their base. But DNC and Dem leadership know where their bread is buttered.
 
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Chris Craig said:
If anything the Democrats in the Senate and House are perhaps too bent on playing by the rules and being goody-goody, even if that's how it should be.

The Republicans could give a fuck about the rules, about candor. They refuse to cooperate and work across the isle. It's all their way or no way.

The Democrats are the ones who usually let in. They acquiesce to the demands of Republicans to get their bills through, in the hopes Republicans will likewise work with them in the future. But, the Republicans pull the rug again and again and refuse to work with the Democrats when it's their turn. They undo all the bills and regulations the Dems put in place. They give their rich buddies tax breaks and put the weight of that on a shrinking middle class. They have the lobby in their pockets, buying their votes.

That's not to say there aren't some Dems who are just as bad.
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Right, so where exactly is it that Dems love having their policies undone again? Oh right, like I said, never. I don't know of a single Democrat that was excited by Trump coming in and undoing all of Obamas hard work over the last 8 years. If they are, they are Bernie bros who were butt hurt that they lost the nomination to Hillary.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Democrats love bitching about it. Gets them more money from their base. But DNC and Dem leadership know where there bread is buttered.
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You are extraordinarily cynical if you actually believe that the Dems want their policies removed just so they can do it again next time they are in power. Recall all major progressive policy improvements have come from Democrats, ranging from the New Deal, to the Great Society, to the ACA, and now the IRA, which had little to no Republican support. Democrats don't want their policies removed, that is faulty reasoning. The far simpler, and accurate, explanation is that they are not a homogeneous group and represent a large geographic and economic group of people who also don't want the same things.

A quick example is look at West Virginia vs California, they are extraordinarily different in their values, economy, and interests. The system is up until now, still working as intended, and for better or worse it is still better than most parliamentary systems which is a winner take all affair. It's absolutely false and a complete over simplification to make some narrative that Democrats, or Republicans for that matter, would want their policies undone after years of work on them. That's a ridiculous take that makes no sense when you take a moment to seriously consider it.
 
Joe Biden called the semi fascists out during his speech in Philly. As you know, the insane people want a piece of him. The Dems should join in and fight back too.
 
At his Pennsylvania rally, previous guy said Mark Zuckerberg called on him at the White House last week to kiss his ass.

But the Republicans still say Biden is senile?
 
Voodoo said:
You are extraordinarily cynical if you actually believe that the Dems want their policies removed just so they can do it again next time they are in power. Recall all major progressive policy improvements have come from Democrats, ranging from the New Deal, to the Great Society, to the ACA, and now the IRA, which had little to no Republican support. Democrats don't want their policies removed, that is faulty reasoning. The far simpler, and accurate, explanation is that they are not a homogeneous group and represent a large geographic and economic group of people who also don't want the same things.

A quick example is look at West Virginia vs California, they are extraordinarily different in their values, economy, and interests. The system is up until now, still working as intended, and for better or worse it is still better than most parliamentary systems which is a winner take all affair. It's absolutely false and a complete over simplification to make some narrative that Democrats, or Republicans for that matter, would want their policies undone after years of work on them. That's a ridiculous take that makes no sense when you take a moment to seriously consider it.
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But I didn't claim that anybody wanted their policies reversed. I said that they want current political climate. They want their bases terrified that the other side will get the upper hand. This results in maximum capital flow into their coffers.

In order to keep them that way, there has to be some back and forth among their policies.

It's like planned obsolescence. Companies don't want their products to break. They want their products to be the best, so they sell more. But only by the slimmest margin possible. Because if their products last and work better by just noticeable margin they maximize their profits.

This isn't simply theory. It's a real thing. It is the result of profit motivation.
 
People with opinions on politics and news outlets should probably read this article.
https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322...is-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column

"CNN is in flux. It has a new owner, and a new boss, who promises to remake the news channel and has told employees to be prepared for “a time of change.”

Most of those changes have yet to manifest. But one of the first ones — canceling its long-running Reliable Sources show and pushing out anchor Brian Stelter — has already unsettled some CNN employees and viewers.

But the bigger question floating over one of the world’s largest and most important news organizations is why it’s changing. Is it because the CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery, its new owner, wants an overhaul? Or is it at the behest of a conservative billionaire investor in the company who sits on its board?"

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I have been concerned about CNN. They canned some of their long-term top journalists. New management met with Republican leader to assure them CNN will be friendlier to them.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But I didn't claim that anybody wanted their policies reversed. I said that they want current political climate. They want their bases terrified that the other side will get the upper hand. This results in maximum capital flow into their coffers.

In order to keep them that way, there has to be some back and forth among their policies.

It's like planned obsolescence. Companies don't want their products to break. They want their products to be the best, so they sell more. But only by the slimmest margin possible. Because if their products last and work better by just noticeable margin they maximize their profits.

This isn't simply theory. It's a real thing. It is the result of profit motivation.
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Okay that’s entirely different than what I thought you were insinuating. I still strongly disagree with this reasoning personally, but at least I can’t understand your reasoning here. I still strongly disagree with your hypothesis though. It makes no sense, why would someone like the Koch brothers or Peter Theil invest millions or billions just simply to retain status quo?

I think a far more rationale explanation is what @barfo already laid out. There are tons of individuals who are different and have different wants, and thus you get major compromise on any legislation… which is literally the intent of the founding fathers. It’s worked for centuries this way, long before citizens united or any big money was involved. And it will continue to work this way until something radical changes it, such as another coup.
 
Voodoo said:
Okay that’s entirely different than what I thought you were insinuating. I still strongly disagree with this reasoning personally, but at least I can’t understand your reasoning here. I still strongly disagree with your hypothesis though. It makes no sense, why would someone like the Koch brothers or Peter Theil invest millions or billions just simply to retain status quo?
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Koch and Theil aren't political leaders. They are spending money to make money.

https://represent.us/action/is-lobb... companies,Investment For Lobbying is 76,000%.
There's a HUGE “Return On Investment For Lobbying”.
For every dollar top companies spend lobbying, they get an average $760 in federal support and tax savings. So the Return On Investment For Lobbying is 76,000%.
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Voodoo said:
I think a far more rationale explanation is what @barfo already laid out. There are tons of individuals who are different and have different wants, and thus you get major compromise on any legislation… which is literally the intent of the founding fathers. It’s worked for centuries this way, long before citizens united or any big money was involved. And it will continue to work this way until something radical changes it, such as another coup.
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My theory and the theory @barfo provided are not mutually exclusive. I don't think barfo is wrong. Rather, barfo is simply not giving the monitary incentive the respect I feel it deserves.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But I didn't claim that anybody wanted their policies reversed. I said that they want current political climate. They want their bases terrified that the other side will get the upper hand. This results in maximum capital flow into their coffers.

In order to keep them that way, there has to be some back and forth among their policies.

It's like planned obsolescence. Companies don't want their products to break. They want their products to be the best, so they sell more. But only by the slimmest margin possible. Because if their products last and work better by just noticeable margin they maximize their profits.

This isn't simply theory. It's a real thing. It is the result of profit motivation.
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Look, I agree the problem you speak of exists on both sides. A majority of politicians currently in the house and Senate are there for power and greed, even if they didn't start out that way.

So many of them are the lobbies pocket and are for self interest. Those who desire for divisiveness among their ranks, do so because if we are fighting each other , we aren't looking at them. We aren't able to hold them responsible. It's a basic magic trick, divert attention so they don't see where the card goes.
 
I haven't followed CNN or Fox news in many years...there are way better news sources....I think CBS online has some very balanced reporting ..for the most part I look for news casts with journalists I respect to tell me the truth. The trick with the news is to avoid editorials and stick to AP feeds. One is news and one is opinion. If it says AP news feed, you're getting the same feed editorialists and news "personalities" use to make up their click bait stories and sensationalize away to create an ongoing climate of shock to keep readers tuned in. Breaking news isn't usually breaking news. There's truth in world events you can trust out there...just need to use filters for the bullshit spin doctors like Tucker Carlson ...or Wolf Blitzer....people don't know but Tucker Carlson and Rachel Maddow worked together at Air America before they split up and joined opposite teams....they are script readers. Often the best journalists have backgrounds as war correspondants. They actually know what the fuck they're talking about.
 
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