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There’s a huge difference between what happened then and what’s happening now. They had a terrorist attack that was, relative to their population, three 9/11s. Plus the politics in Israel is far different than it was back then.

Does Biden have more influence over them than he has wielded so far? Ehhh possibly, I am honestly not at all convinced of that based on the Israeli reporting I have read, heard, or seen.

But you also have to keep in mind a large minority of Democrats support Israel so Biden has to thread a very difficult needle. I am not arguing morality or ethics here, I think that’s fairly clear. I am arguing the real politics of the situation.

Oh, I understand the predicament. It's all about funding. But that funding doesn't mean much when you've completely lost the youth.

Who is more likely to come around? Liberal Jewish Americans? Or, Arabs & the youth? I would say Jewish Americans would vote for Biden regardless. The other way around? No.

Especially since the last poll I looked at, 50% of American Jews wanted a ceasefire. The ones funding Biden's campaign though? Probably not.
 
Not to be a dick, but did you even watch your own video? It literally said that the federal government is funding this while they work to locate the parents of these kids. And then the video continued on to say "The alleged victims describe brutal attacks from older strong kids at Children's Village, as well as staffers..... according to the lawsuits already filed against the organization from those claiming they were abused in the 1970s, '80s, and '90s. Yes, god damn-it Biden how dare you work to reunite children with their parents, and why wasn't your administration working to protect these kids from the 1970s, '80s, and '90s? Thanks Obama!

This is far far worse than the actual act of forced separation of said children from their parents, and then putting said children into cages. :dry:

No the system is fine. And has gotten better under Biden. No crisis whatsoever. :smiley-pat:
 
Oh, I understand the predicament. It's all about funding. But that funding doesn't mean much when you've completely lost the youth.

Who is more likely to come around? Liberal Jewish Americans? Or, Arabs & the youth? I would say Jewish Americans would vote for Biden regardless. The other way around? No.

Especially since the last poll I looked at, 50% of American Jews wanted a ceasefire. The ones funding Biden's campaign though? Probably not.

Fair arguments, but I sure hope Arabs and youth come around, or they're going to be even more disappointed with what Trump does both here domestically AND in Gaza. You may be upset with Biden with Gaza, and that is fair, but boy things can sure be worse.
 
So............you still can't/won't back up your assertions about Biden's mental competence. You DO know that just because you express an opinion, it doesn't make it a fact, correct? Quit dodging legitimate questions and have an honest discourse. And yet you say I'm "too hard to have a conversation with." C'mon, you're not even trying. Someone challenges your assertions and you'd rather be butthurt than stand up for your convictions. And as far as us "exhibit(ing) these shitty traits", I (or we) are not making fun of stutterers, Gold Star parents, soldiers who died in service of this country, veterans, former POW's, making vulgar comments about "grabbing pussies", cheating on our spouses with porn stars (and paying hush money), lying about losing an election, urging our fellow citizens to violence and the overturning of a democratic election, raping women, cheating in our business dealings, etc, etc, etc, etc. So if you really and truly "don't quite see the level of deranged intolerance from even the dumbest of right wingers", you're either deaf, dumb and blind, or you are willfully ignorant. And as far as Biden''s "corruption" goes, how's that House Special Counsel investigation into Hunter going for you? As many times as Jordan and Comer have shot themselves in the foot I'm flabbergasted they aren't in wheelchairs.....yet STILL you push the clearly false MAGA/Russia bot narrative. But hey, I've got 12 bridges across the Willamette. I can sell you one or you can have a deal on the whole dozen. Sounds good, eh?

If the "conversation is a lost cause" it's because you refuse to engage in good faith. I guess I should apologize for expecting facts and evidence when having a discussion with you.
The fact that you think i’m in any way butthurt, or that i come on here to speak on or defend my ‘convictions’ shows how disconnected we are. You are clearly the one irritated, agitated and making grandiose platitudes about the sanctity of the presidency and how democracy is at stake, yadda yadda yadda. I’m perfectly willing to sit back and enjoy you chicken littles scream about these issues you’ve been hand fed while you simultaneously pretend our ponzi scheme of a government is fighting some ‘good fight’ against ‘evil’, and the blue and the red! And the good guys and the bad guys! Just gotta get out there and vote! Democracy depends on it!

Shit is so stupid it’s funny.
 
The fact that you think i’m in any way butthurt, or that i come on here to speak on or defend my ‘convictions’ shows how disconnected we are. You are clearly the one irritated, agitated and making grandiose platitudes about the sanctity of the presidency and how democracy is at stake, yadda yadda yadda. I’m perfectly willing to sit back and enjoy you chicken littles scream about these issues you’ve been hand fed while you simultaneously pretend our ponzi scheme of a government is fighting some ‘good fight’ against ‘evil’, and the blue and the red! And the good guys and the bad guys! Just gotta get out there and vote! Democracy depends on it!

Shit is so stupid it’s funny.

Nihilism at it's finest.

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Fair arguments, but I sure hope Arabs and youth come around, or they're going to be even more disappointed with what Trump does both here domestically AND in Gaza. You may be upset with Biden with Gaza, and that is fair, but boy things can sure be worse.

Blackmailing voters isn't going to work. This is what they did (and continue to do) with Bernie voters who didn't vote for Clinton in the general. Just be better and you'll get votes. Comparing yourself to the lowest denominator isn't going to get people to come out and vote for you.

I will not be voting for Biden, but I have the luxury of being in California. My vote doesn't matter here anyways.

If Trump wins, we'll be one step closer to the collapse of this corrupt economic system which is already on its last leg.
 
Blackmailing voters isn't going to work. This is what they did (and continue to do) with Bernie voters who didn't vote for Clinton in the general. Just be better and you'll get votes. Comparing yourself to the lowest denominator isn't going to get people to come out and vote for you.

I will not be voting for Biden, but I have the luxury of being in California. My vote doesn't matter here anyways.

If Trump wins, we'll be one step closer to the collapse of this corrupt economic system which is already on its last leg.

Can you please educate me in how my comment was blackmail? You may be upset with Biden and I get your position about that, fair enough. But this is an American election, not a parliamentary one so we get two choices which was my point. It's democracy, and that's how things work in this democracy. You get two choices, and in this case you can choose the one you align with and have some strong disagreements with, or you can not participate which hurts that candidate and you get the other one that you likely strongly disagree with on everything. It's binary. It sucks, I agree, but that's how Democrats lost in 2000 and 2016, people thought voting for Ralph Nader and Jill Stein were better than voting for Al Gore and Hillary Clinton. That sure worked out great for those people and they magically got policy enacted that aligned with their interests. Oh wait, no, they got the exact opposite because that's how American democracy works.

Also Bernie fans weren't blackmailed in 2016, that is such a tired old narrative that just needs to die. I donated to Bernie's campaign, and would have preferred him to Clinton. But during the general I happily voted for Clinton because I put my feelings aside and voted for the candidate that aligned with me more often than not. Was Clinton my favorite? No not at all, but the reality is that we're in America and we get two choices, and the other choice was Donald fucking Trump. It's not blackmail, it's just how it works.

You can choose the third route of embracing burning it all down. But for those of us who have any sense and historical understanding know that the reality is Donald Trump will be the one with holding the flame thrower.
 
Hey guys, I only make serious claims. Btw, check out this 100% honest to God take on this (but don't do anything to fact check this one. I learned my lesson on passing off biased unreliable sources as legit)
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I REFUSE to be blackmailed. Even though mom is long since dead, I continue to touch a hot stove every chance I get.

I hope she's sorry now for trying to manipulate me.

barfo

What about white mailed?
 
Half the country is blinded by the blatant assault taking place on our constitution.
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Yes, our fundamental right to be lying sacks of shit is under attack!

Maybe we can fight back by lying about that too!

barfo

Lying isn’t illegal in most cases. Just ask the politicians who wrote this bill.
 
but is it protected?
So anything that isn’t “protected” is subject to government censorship? I didn’t realize the government was who we needed to protect our free speech from.
 
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